Critiquing the B/R NFL 1000 Project: FBs and RTs

Bloggers, media and sport fans used to heap scorn on Bleacher Report, mainly due to some questionable user-generated content that damaged the site’s reputation in its infancy. However, since their big money deal with Turner 18 months ago, they’ve added some talented and respected names as featured writers and a great deal of their content is now well worth checking out.

One of the featured writers they added to their roster was draft scouting guru and former TJB Podcast guest Matt Miller, who – along with several other film junkies – is spearheading the B/R NFL 1000 project, where they attempt to rank the NFL’s top 1,000 players. The project is now into its third year and they’ve just started releasing this year’s results. For more on how the project works go here.

In our second installment, we look at their rankings for the right tackle and fullback positions. To look back at the previous update (quarterbacks and left tackles) go here.

Once again, their take on the Jets players at these respective positions are not kind. Following a rookie season where he played almost 400 snaps, Tommy Bohanon ranks dead last out of their top 16 fullbacks. Far more eye-opening though is the fact that they ranked pending unrestricted free agent Austin Howard 31st out of their top 35 right tackles, saying the following:

Howard is a slow-footed mauler in the running game who doesn’t possess the natural athletic ability to fit in most non-power-dominated offensive schemes. Howard improved his balance in pass protection this season, but he has a relatively low ceiling because of his lack of foot speed.

Read Bent’s thoughts after the jump.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

I’m not really surprised at Bohanon’s ranking. He did grade out in last place on PFF too. However, he has plenty of room for growth and, in my estimation, outperformed both Lex Hilliard’s 2012 season and John Conner’s rookie year. Interestingly, Conner ranks in second place on the B/R list after a strong performance with the Giants, who went 7-4 with him in the lineup.

Howard being ranked so low is more surprising, with the 26-year old set to receive a long-term deal soon. In terms of their specific analysis, I’m not sure I agree with their criticism. In fact, Rex Ryan has specifically praised Howard’s athleticism in the past.

Bassett linked to Tony Pauline’s report earlier today, where he suggested that Howard could get a contract similar to Phil Loadholt’s $24m, five year deal which – according to OverTheCap.com is the third highest right tackle contract in the league.

We’ll continue to keep an eye on this project over the offseason.

42 comments
wilkerson
wilkerson

I mentioned this on the QBs/LTs post and I'll mention it here as well. The issue here is not B/R as a whole. These rankings are posted by Matt Miller, who has no editorial oversight and a grudge against the Jets. He has always rated Jets poorly and will continue to do so. No need to worry about it every day he releases another set of poor Jets rankings. 


Or we could just play a drinking game where we drink every time Bent has to write the word "surprising" in response to Miller bashing a quality Jets player.

Brendan
Brendan

Ha. If the Jets based their offseason plan on Bleacher Report's suggestions I would stop rooting for them. 

jimjets
jimjets

keep howard..disregardthis report. he's good and will improve.  dump tommy b? only if there's a cost effective free agent vet who we know is better, otherwise give him a chance, perhaps with competition to improve in his second year.


I'm kinda hoping we have enough playmakers finally that our season isn't gonna hinge on tommy bohannon

juunit
juunit

Yeah, the TE turned OT lacks athleticism. Miller is high on antler spray as usual.

biggreen32
biggreen32

Hey Guys - Sorry for the irrelevant post.  Does anybody know somebody who has defaulted on PSL payments?  I lost my job and am facing that situation and the Jets have some tough language in the contract so wondering how hard they are going to come after me.  Thanks in advance.

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Who really cares about any of this ??? Howards our tackle the guy has only been  playing thenpositiio for a short period of time and hes gettig better every year. Bohannan is solid end of story. We have 4-5 spots to fill and with 12 picks and with about 50 mil to spend after cutting the dead weight then cut and resign Cro we can contend in the AFC. Over the passed two seasons Kerley has been the number 1 or number 2 receiver out there because of Injury and he was in development and he will only get better. Besides Boldin and Nicks Ill take Kerley at the and bring Mccluster at the slot and Mccluster is a game breaker. Would love Boldin but hes gonna command a alot of money for 2-3 years Nicks always injured. Britt cant be in NJ hell be arrested every other day off.  Sanders or Kerley, Ill take Kerley with an effecient qb over anyone besides the three guys I named and kerley has alot of development left. So FA: Mccluster, Rhinehart or another vet og to play opposite side Colon and allow the younging time to learn. If Pace wants crazy money knowing his role was supposed to be a setting the edge Olb then we have to grab a guy who can do that or have faith in Mccintyre and draft a guy because Barnes is back n before he went down that looked like a great addition and he never played a snap with Coples. Draft Ebron. Then with all of our picks trade them for the exact players we want get in there and get Benjamin. So offensively 3 nightmare matches, Mccluster, Ebron, and Benjamin at 6'5' and Kerley being his consistent self. Defense will be fine and the league possibly putting the cap at 133 it gives us the bIggest advantage in the NFL were on an up swing and with the money and picks were gonna have all those people in the media saying a bum on the street wouldnt take our gm job, WHATS GOOD NOW F**CKASSS!!!

harvlis
harvlis

Jay Prosch, from Auburn, would be my choice for a backup FB.  Blocked well for Tre Mason, didn't do much running but, caught five balls for ninety five yards.

harvlis
harvlis

Tommy Bohanon was given a good deal of experience, last season, similar to Geno, Winters, and Milliner.  With all of these players, we have to give them time to grow into the NFL.  FB should be considered a skill position.  Not only should the FB be able to play a key role in the blocking department, he should be able to move the ball, on the ground and in the air.  If you don't have a FB who is a threat, in my opinion, you are wasting the position.  I think Bohanon can do the job but, in the later rounds of the draft, I would be looking for a talented big back to push him.   

Beamen321
Beamen321

Bent, I was a little surprised when I saw that Tony Pauline projected Howard to get in the range of Loadholt. Don't you think that would be a little high for a guy who really isn't considered one of the best in the game yet (even though he has played very well). When looking at how RTs are paid, I was expecting him to get around $4m annually like Sebastian Vollmer received from the Patriots. 

nesboogie
nesboogie

Pick up CJ Mosely if he's there?

kniff
kniff

I know "T Bone" is well liked,  has Jet connections, and just completed his first season. There is already talk of him being franchised... His ratings however, give me great pause, and really require us to prioritize competition at the FB position, because pass protection is extremely important to our QB corps.... so is a reliable set of hands on third and short...


I also hope we can lock down Howard for at least two years in a win/win deal....RT ain't broke right now!!

a57se
a57se

Bohanon brings little to the table, I hope we draft some competition for him this year or bring someone in who can actually contribute.


Howard should NOT be paid like the third highest RT in the league..he isn't that good. I'd bring in Roger Saffold for that kind of money.

Bent
Bent moderator

@wilkerson  I'm already thinking ahead and wondering if the trend will continue.


Someone challenged him about the Howard ranking on twitter and he said there were five of them that agreed on it.

Brendan
Brendan

@jimjets  Agree with this. Howard is a man mountain at a reasonable price and a good age, they have to keep him. 


T-Bo wasn't that good, but he was solid and can improve. Unless they take a cheap later-rounder again or find a vet to play for cheap that will definitely do better, it's not a position lose sleep over. 

jaym
jaym

@biggreen32

A word to the wise on PSL's

What happens if I do not purchase my season tickets or complete my PSL payments?
If you default on your obligations under the PSL Agreement or Club Seat Agreement, Jets Stadium Development LLC will have the rights listed in the default provisions of those agreements, which include forfeiture of your PSL and all monies you have paid for that PSL up to that point. This means you will no longer have the right to buy season tickets for those seats for that season or any future season. Jets Stadium Development LLC then will have the right to resell your PSL with no obligation to you as the former PSL holder.

http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/107765-a-word-to-the-wise-on-psls/
 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Kirk Michael  So you think the lowest rated guy at his position is solid? geez, thank god your young! Obviously you have lots of time on your side so at some point the Jets will likely win another Superbowl.Some us here are not so young and would like to see it at least once more in our life time.It's never gonna happen with guys like Tommy Bohanon playing for us!

Pat d
Pat d

Kirk

Some interesting points but so many things you say just don't coincide with reality, starting with Bohannan is solid.

a57se
a57se

@harvlis  

Prosch, Millard or Copeland for pure FB's.

An interesting guy to me is Joe Don Duncan from Dixie State.

He is listed as a TE but could easily play FB or HB as well. he was actually the featured player in College on his offense.....he would need to work on his blocking but at 6'3" and 268 lbs...he can at least take up space.


Bent
Bent moderator

@Beamen321  Yup, my forecast before last season was 4/22 but he didn't quite develop as well as I was hoping so I'd peg his value somewhere below that.  Don't forget Loadholt's deal is backloaded though so it's only 2-3m for the first few years.

a57se
a57se

@nesboogie  

That is an option but Radio City Music Hall would blow up if that happened!

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  As noted in Tony's report, Loadholt's deal on which the Jets are supposedly expected to base their talks is backloaded and he only gets 2-3m over the first couple of seasons with the option to terminate if he doesn't continue to play at a high enough level to earn $5m+


While it's a top three deal, if it's structured like that then it's fair.  Teams don't just look at AAV, guarantees and benchmark points (ie what do the first three years look like) are just as important.

wilkerson
wilkerson

@Bent  Do you mean five writers who agree on the rankings? That wouldn't shock me, but I'm sure either way Miller gets the final say. I used to follow B/R, and I know he was the only writer who got to post to parts of the front page without editorial oversight. He's posted some pretty ridiculous stuff in the past (some of it ridiculous because of the football-related opinions, and some ridiculous just because every sentence had typos).


I expect his d-line breakdown will be guardedly negative regarding the Jets. He'll probably acknowledge that the d-line is decent but throw in some left-handed remarks about how they're not on the same level as the Seattle d-line.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@jaym @biggreen32  So it seems like you just forfeit the PSL/season tickets, right?  I don't see how they can come after people for the rest of the amount due.

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

It is hard to read with no breaks......paragraphs and spaces are your friends!

harvlis
harvlis

@a57se @harvlis Checked out some Duncan highlights.  He would be a project, at FB.  Prosch can block his tail off and that is always the first role of the FB.  I wouldn't mind picking up Duncan, at the end of the draft, as he is a baller, although at Dixie.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Do you think Idzik is into that backloaded deal mentality? I can't believe players are actually stupid enough to go for that crap......

a57se
a57se

@harvlis @a57se

Oh yeah, definitely a project at FB but he could contribute right away as a pass catcher....

Bent
Bent moderator

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @Bent @a57se  Quite simply, when he gets paid, they get their percentage.  So if someone negotiates a deal with dummy years at the end to make it sound good, they don't actually benefit financially, it just affords them a chance to attract more clients.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bent @a57se  This brings up an interesting question - agents get a percentage of the contract, right?  So would it be for just the guaranteed money?  If a player is kept in a non-guaranteed year, does that add to their fee?

a57se
a57se

@harold  

not only are they a waste of time, they usually end up creating a situation that can become contentious because the team will inevitably want the player to restructure and renegotiate that part of the deal or just cut them.....

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @Bent  Going to college doesn't mean much if you don't bother doing any work. 

harold
harold

If I was Howard I would take less per year on a more likely to be eraned deal with more even cap numbers.  Just can't see the point in the bloated back end deals.  Waste of time

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Would you sign with an agent who did crap like that?

These players do actually go to College.........

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Agents love it because it allows them to publicize a $5m per year deal for a player worth less than that.  And agents advise the players, so...