Buzz: Harvin Unlikely to Get More Than a Third Rounder

A lot of NFL writers have been digging around on what it would take to trade for a player like Percy Harvin, and here’s what seems to be the consensus.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

As I wrote the other day, when you compare his productivity to a guy like Brandon Marshall (who got two threes last year from the Bears) it is going to be hard to put Harvin on the same level and thus he’s garnering a third round consideration from the sources around the league of which Rapoport and Pelissero make note.

I’d say it’s practical compensation, but the contract issue would also have to come into play, and so that might  make the demand for a guy like Harvin a little sluggish.





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cj1786
cj1786

I kind of wish people would stop talking about this kid like he's a criminal at this point.  Most of the comments here almost assume he did something and almost focus simply on whether he will get away with it.  At this point all that's happened is a woman who he used to have a relationship with was killed and he's not even considered a suspect. That's it.  Yet somehow the media fans are acting like the kid is Ray Caruth or Aaron Hernandez.  I mean think about that in terms of your own lives.  A girl you used to hook up with is killed, police ask you about it (which would be normal), that means you likely did it?

TqmanAF
TqmanAF

@GiantsTalkLine The Giants don't seem to want to talk about Collins, I wonder if that is NFL wide. I'd love to have him with the Giants

thom
thom

he had dinner with Rex last night.....per NFL.com...........if the BRPD now calls Rex in that would be news.......

Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

Ok a couple of thoughts.

1. Rae Carruth didn't pull the trigger when his pregnant girlfriend was killed. Not being there doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

2. Murders like this are typically done by a close family member or friend - not a stranger.

3. Not being a suspect now doesn't mean he won't eventually be.

4. Neither he nor his agent have said that he had nothing to do with it. They haven't said he was innocent. They have harped on he is not a suspect. Word smithing? Perhaps. But in the same situation wouldn't you scream from the rooftops your innocence and desire to do anything you could to help the police?

5. Remember, the police wanted to talk with him before the draft, and he ducked their efforts to the point that the police had to announce it in the press. For an innocent person, he really has handled this poorly.

Maybe he will be found innocent.... Maybe not.... It will be interesting if he is found to be the baby daddy.....

Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

If someone wasted a 7th rounder on him, it would have enabled him to sit out the year and re-enter the draft next year - and assuming he was cleared of any wrong doing, he would likely be re drafted in a higher round. By going Undrafted, he loses that ability. He was never going to sign as a seventh rounder because he had options especially because his talent was greater then a seventh rounder.

Why would an attorney tell an innocent party to make no comment on innocence or guilt? Sometimes the court of public opinion is important - especially from a marketing perspective - and as someone whose career is dependent on public perception it wAs a missed opportunity. He needed to look like he was bending over backwards to assist law enforcement in this case. Had he done so, he likely would have been drafted in first three rounds.

Now of course, if he had some level of involvement in her murder, his statements could be used against him during a trial - so in that case it makes plenty of sense to say as little as possible.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Again really not going to go into legal strategy but public opinion when representing a client should not be factor. Either way you make a good point about reentering the draft and that's probably the primary reason he was not drafted not because of his case. Collins tried to get out of thr draft and teams feared they would burn a selection and then he would sit out a year. That makes a little more sense.

Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

@jaymanjay Keep in mind too - that once the Police declare him to be a suspect - then everything changes.  By keeping him a person of interest, it is easier for them to get him to "willingly" participate in this process - rather then having to compel him or arrest him.  None of this means he is innocent, or that the police aren't strongly considering him to be a suspect in this process.


I do know that most people posting on this board have been in a relationship with someone and broke up.  I would bet that 99.999% of the people on this board have not had a situation where their Ex was killed after they broke up.  Whether it is stated or not - Collins is a suspect in this case, and he is going to be deeper in this if they can prove that a) he thought the baby was his and/or b) if the baby actually is his.  My guess is he will not be "cleared" for a long time - especially if he is the baby daddy - unless someone else confesses to the crime.


I don't know him - don't know if he did this, or if he even knows anything about it.  There is a possibility that he may be perhaps the most unlucky person on the planet.  And yes - in the NFL it only takes one team to be interested in a player for them to be signed.  (So if 31 teams would never sign him, but one does - he is an NFL player).


As stated earlier - I hope he is innocent.  It is terrible to think that someone could chose to kill someone they were involved with.  Time will tell.  However, until he is cleared - there is next to zero chance the Giants will take a flyer on him - Free Agent or otherwise.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Honestly half of what you say shows you really don't understand the legal system. Did you go to law school? Because I did and I can tell you dont really know what your talking about on this. An attorney or agent representing a client on any legal matter would always tell them to state no comment whether innocent or guilty. What they say or don't say in public is irrelevant to the truth. When will people learn. Silence or none statements does not mean your guilty.

Now your correct on one thing he could be involved or he could not be involved. Obviously teams thought about Aaron hernandez and passed.

My whole point was that a 7th rounder is exactly when you throw a flier out on a guy and if it works out you have a 1st round talent and if not you cut him no problem with little lost. There is very little difference in talent level between the guys selected in the 7th and guys going undrafted.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Absurd, 7th rounders are crapshoot why not take it on a guy with 1st round talent who reports said he had nothing to do with the murder? Even if it comes out later that he was involved you cut him end of story. Makes no sense really. Would have been a much better draft

David Lopez
David Lopez

@jaymanjay Am I the only one reading a little too much into Ross' comments about Collins' circumstances.  Two, can Collins and his agent sue the NFL for collusion for refusing to draft him considering he hadn't been charged with any crime, and was reportedly classified as a non-suspect in the murder of the victim and child?  

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Then they should fire their investigators because it continues to be reported that he was no where near the crime. I think there is a lot of politics behind this due to the Aaron hernandez thing but I say why not take a flier in the 7th round. There is really no risk there. If it's true you cut no big deal. The 7th round we did draft may not even make the team.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Just because you are convicted does not mean you are guilty either. SEE innocence project. No body suggested the legal system is not without flaws, but there is a process.

Rene Riquelme
Rene Riquelme

@jaymanjay Just because you are not convicted doesn't mean you didn't commit the murder,I pass that murder scene is too heavy and the whole League apparantly thought that too.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Since when are you guilty before proven otherwise? Hope you never get accused of anything. Would really sucks if people jumped to conclusion especially if you were innocent. And obviously teams investigators are not as good as they think because maybe the Patriots don't give herdendez that big contract. It is obvious that they are simply not wanting to touch it because of the hernendez horror. However, if all comes back okay i bet teams all of sudden line up. Again, not saying Collins didn't do it. I'm just saying based on the evidence currently out there and the talent he has he would have been work a 7th round selection.

cj1786
cj1786

He's not even considered a suspect. If it stats that way then is say there's almost no chance he did it. We don't know the circumstances but if they clear him that easily then it's likely he has a solid alibi and had nothing to do with it.