Gary Apple chats with Tony Richardson about the Jets early season struggles.





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hosket
hosket

Hasn't this been beaten to death....NY and LA......Phil addressed the issue.  Build a team.  Sum is greater than the moving parts.  Melo will become a cog in the machine.  Hoping the go for broke mentality is done.

bigdirty
bigdirty

what is the cap space looking like for next year? Lopez is signed for $14 mill and affalo is signed for 2 years.  Do the knicks even have space next year or are they counting on the cap just blowing up?  

rico
rico

@bigdirty they will have to make a trade or two mid-season to do a salary dump/ get a pick and open up new possibilities. Unless of course Phil cleans house again, or Dolan cleans house again.

Thomas LaBella
Thomas LaBella

Why do you keep saying Aldridge wouldn't entertain a second meeting when there was never even a first meeting? And to be clear, Monroe didn't choose Milwaukee over New York. He chose the Bucks over the Knicks. There's a difference.

Brian Hopkins
Brian Hopkins

He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. This is the third time that I've noticed him saying this. Who is this kid?

gotham21
gotham21

Here it is anyway! From my pending post.

I love how the media says LA or NYC is not attractive anymore! Lol. It’s pretty laughable. I know the media is trying to help out the smaller market teams but come on and people are gullible into believing it?? What ever.

Last I checked, the Clippers and Nets play in both NY and LA. Some pretty big time names there. Lol.

Bottom line… Good product and have $$ to spend for FA in NYC trumps Good product with $$ to spend for FA in a lesser city. The negative playing here are obviously, taxes and the fickle media. Some players can’t stand the everyday circus from the media that they would expect getting from the playoffs.

NYC is the world stage! The media today is saying the allure of NYC is less today because of the internet and social media. That’s a crock of bull, because that crap has been around for some time. If they are making a case for it, then I would counter…just imagine the kind of increased exposure you would be getting with the same technologies playing in NYC??

Why do you think the Knicks are constantly ranked as the most valuable franchise despite putting a sorry ass product on the floor year in and year out?? It’s because, the Knicks is in the media capital/ advertising capital/ fashion capital etc etc… of the world!

Star players don’t want to be in NYC??? How about Melo re-upping? How about Amare and Bargnani willing to come back for peanuts? Tyson Chandler enjoyed the spotlight?? Lin became a world sensation because playing in NYC. Linsanity sensation would not have been born in lesser cities.

We are not desirable anymore?? Because Monroe of all people who believes he’s a max player did not choose to go to NYC?? Thank God, the Knicks did not believe he is a max.

If we weren’t so horrible last year and we had a playoff contender, then I bet you David West would have came here.

I believe we can turn things around this season especially with a motivated Melo. He knows what is at stake. He knows we need a playoff product to lure big time names to NYC next season. That is the bottom line and not that crap the media wants you to believe

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

@gotham21 Melo re-upping.. he had 124 reasons why he re-upped in NY. The guy is focused on so much outside stuff, NY is the best place for that. He's a freaking movie for crying out loud. That's not happening anywhere else for him. 


Amare took the MOST money, no one was offering 5 years guaranteed. Only NY was. Bargnani isn't willing to come back for Peanuts. He wants more then a vets min and no one, NO ONE wants to go past that. It's why he's still a free agent. 


David West publicly mocked the idea of going to NY..He was never coming here, even if they were an 8th seed. 


This team at best is a 7th-8th seed. If you think that will attract the big name, you'll be disappointed. 


Ill just name a few teams who are already playoff teams and have MAX cap space next year. 


GS, SA, Wash, Tor, BK, Bos, Miami, Atl, Mil, Hou, Pelicans.


And incase anyone wants to do the math. The Knicks, unless Afflalo AND D.Williams opt out of their contracts, don't have the money for a max player. If you don't believe me, go do the math. You need $26M to get a max player next year. NY has around $16M as of right now. That could change, it also might not. No team is going to help NY get better. 

rico
rico

@dogmanx23 @gotham21 pretty much agree with you dogmanx though I think the knicks will make a trade (arafalo/calderon) to diump salary and maybe pick up a 1st round pick at the mid season trading deadline.

gotham21
gotham21

Why is my previous post pending?? Just curious.

My ex factor is D Will. Keep in mind he's a year younger than Shump. Since Melo and him both play both fwd positions and are pretty much the same in height and weight, it would be beneficial for The team for Melo to take him under his wing. I think D Will will improve a lot with Melo's mentoring plus the motivation with getting a 2nd chance to remove the bust label in the worlds biggest market & show the world his talents.

cj1786
cj1786

I really don't think its any of these things.  I think its simply that today's players are afraid to be the man on a team.  Its the whole culture of the NBA to team up now.  All you here about with every team is who is their "big 3".  These guy all want to team up or walk into a ready made situation to win like Aldridge.  None of these guys are willing to be the guy to turn around a bad team, like Amare was willing to do when he came to the Knicks.  No one has the balls to be the first guy in the door. 

I'm glad we didn't spend on Monroe. Bad defender. We'd get killed in the paint every night.

brad5614
brad5614

If grant and especially porzingas develop this could be a team ready to compete in the playoffs in a year... Porzingas will hopefully be the 2nd star and with solid role players plus a mid to upper tier free agent next off season good things can happen

rico
rico

@brad5614 don't expect Porzingis miracles the fist year...let the guy be a rookie and grow into the league.  gee whiz..half of yesterday was spent discussing just this.  

rico
rico

how many times have we been teased by what-could-be in free agency next year only to be disappointed with the non-results?


Let's not start on "wait until next year" when it's not even this year! 

1harris1
1harris1

Hopefully the team can be competitive this year. That's the only way they'll be taken seriously by top free agents. The allure of NYC and the Garden is probably appealing to most, but not enough in itself.

rico
rico

@1harris1 I dunno Harris, you look at the collection of players Phil has gathered and say "meh"...too many projects too many guys have to bust out.

We saw last year when good players were challenged by learning the system and most were frustrated. Around the last week of the season it seemed the team of d-leaguers had finally come together just in time to win enough games to lose the lottery.

So this year we have question-mark players who will also have a learning curve playing this particular style of basketball and it might take a while like half a season or more for them to come together by then the fans the media and the owner will have lost all patience with Phil, Fish and the players.  

I'm hoping for the best but unless some of these really young guys elevate beyond expectations and fast it could be another very rough messy season ahead.  I can't worry about next years free agents until I see a spirited confident and winning group this year, and with no time to spare. 




1harris1
1harris1

You're absolutely right, Rico. We really need for mostly everything to break our way to be legitimately respectable this season. Carmelo clearly has to be healthy to begin with (otherwise probably nothing else will matter that much). I'm hoping that Lopez and O'Quinn can anchor our interior defense, and that Calderon and Afflalo can provide the offense we'll need to supplement Melo (although I still have major doubts about Jose). Then we need solid (albeit not great) contributions from Porzinges and Grant in their rookie year, and on top of that we need for somebody else to emerge who turns out to be better than most of us expect (Galloway? Williams? Shved? Antetokounmpo? Ledo?). And truth be told, we have no idea if Fisher can be a good coach. He wasn't last year.

That's a lot to ask for, no doubt. I expect them to be improved this year, but .500 is probably wishful thinking.

Paul Russomanno
Paul Russomanno

This season will determine how attractive we are to free agents. If this new core of players can double the win total from 17 to 34...then maybe a free agent will see that as a step in the right direction. Melo will always make guys consider playing here as long as he is in the 20 ppg form. The role players will be the x factors here.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Paul Russomanno Agreed. We've got players in place that should KNOW THEIR ROLES and do what they're here to do. Thats how you build a TEAM...if this team shows that they can compete, play defense, show promise in the new young stars, and Melo can show he can elevate his teammates and change his game a bit for the good of the system/team, that should be enough to show players MSG is a place where stars become superstars, and superstars become global megastars. I can't imagine a guy like Durant NOT wanting to team up with a dude that can STiLL avg 24-27 a game, and drop 40 on any given night.... i gotta think that stepping out from OKC and putting your name in lights in NYC, plus playing for friend and mentor Derek Fischer could be enough for Durant to at least put us on his top 3, IF of course again, this team shows promise, and the makings of a great TEAM not just a showcase for superstars.... a "big 2" of Durant and Melo would be a matchup NIGHTMARE for teams, and if Porzy can show some offensive ability like he's projected to, and demand a defensive game plan from other teams, the Knicks could be a real problem for other teams on offense...

and of course, if we can swing a trade for Markeiff Morris in the next few days! lol...im gonna beat that horse for a while now, prepare thyselves!

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

@Paul Russomanno 34 wins isn't a playoff team. Do you know how many playoff teams have max cap space next year to attract the likes of Durant..


GS, SA, Wash, Tor, BK, Bos, Miami, Atl, Mil, Hou, Pelicans. Just to name a few. 


Didn't even include OKC because they'll be in it either way. 

Rick Myles
Rick Myles

Doesn't anyone already see a problem in trying to attract Durant (who I believe isn't leaving OKC anyway)? If Melo plays the 3 and Porzingis plays the 4 -- where does Durant play? The NYK are not constructed right to be attractive to Durant as a landing spot. 

Paul Russomanno
Paul Russomanno

@Rick Myles Durant would only come here to play in NYC, which isn't as attractive anymore. And only if the Knicks significantly improve with Melo returning to form and healthy. Durant on the Knicks with Melo could contend with anybody so I don't think he doubts the teams ability to win with him.

nyoak34
nyoak34

@Rick Myles Durant will play 3....Melo will play 4 and Porzingas will play 6th man of the year. As far as I'm concerned, Durant can play anywhere he wants if he shows he has the guts to bring the CHIP back to the Garden. 

@Rick Myles if Durant leaves, likely to go to his home, DC. It's the only move that wouldn't generate a big PR backlash. Why would he come to the Knicks? Fisher? lol...

nyoak34
nyoak34

All of this talk about "the allure of Broadway" and how nobody cares about New York and such is RIDICULOUS. The teams is HORRIBLE. The organization has been a dysfunctional mess for a decade and a half. This is about the Knicks. Nobody likes to lose. 

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@nyoak34 Very true....apparently that's why the Lakers miss-stepped in their pitch to Adridge---spoke of branding, marketing, big city, big dreams, blah blah...and didnt focus on their future and plan for putting together a championship contender for the next 5 years. These guys, for the most part, are ALL competitors. They dedicated their LIFE to be amongst a handful of the BEST b-ball players on EARTH. Winning comes 1st for most of them. Different sport, but in baseball, they were talking about CONTRACTING the Minnesota Twins, just eradicating the team...then they developed Joe Mauer, Johan Santana, and Justin Morneau, won division titles and went to the ALCS a bunch of times, and now look, 3 years ago they built a new STADIUM for the team...went from possibly no longer being a franchise to having a new state of the art facility...it all comes down to winning. U wanna put arsses in the seats, WIN...u wanna attract the best of the best? WIN.. if a team shows it's all bout winning, they'll get both, all day long

nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

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