Santonio Holmes

Link: Holmes will do ‘anything’ to return in 2014

Coming back from his Lisfranc surgeries, Santonio Holmes has had an unimpressive season in 2013 with just 18 catches for 395 yards and one score.

Yesterday Metro New York’s Kristian Dyer asked Holmes whether he’d be willing to take a pay cut in 2014 to remain with the team.  The answer was deemed surprising enough that members of the media asked Tone the same question twice apparently.

“Anything for the team,” Holmes said.

He was asked again if that meant even taking a pay cut and his answer was word-for-word the same.

“Anything for the team,” Holmes repeated.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Holmes is averaging 21.9 yards per catch, but that is deceiving. Holmes has been targeted 49 times for just 18 receptions; that math comes to a horrific 37% catch rate. Quality starting receivers should be somewhere in the mid to high 60s. A quick look on Football Outsiders shows that with similar playing time only second year Bills WR TJ Graham has as bad (38%) a catch rate as Holmes. Jeremy Kerley has battled through injuries to post a respectable 62% catch rate, granted on shallower routes. QB Geno Smith has to share fault with Holmes catch rate, but as last week amply demonstrated while the blame is shared, the mental lapses for a guy about to make $10.75 million in 2014 aren’t appropriate.

One of my biggest complaints about Holmes is that he’s always been a receiver who needs his opposite number to be effective. On this team, he is a yin without a yang and has never been able to create much for himself, even dating back to his Steelers days. In 2013, Holmes has been a boom or bust part of the offense — problematic for a rookie quarterback who needs consistency.

Since Holmes got his contract in 2011, it has been downhill. Back in January/February of 2012 we wrote that it would be a mistake for Tannenbaum to not cut Holmes before getting locked in through 2014. For right or wrong, it has all been about waiting out the contract since then. Come January, the Jets get back on the right side of the deal.  

As a baseline the Jets project to have about $22 million in space. Cutting Holmes, Sanchez and Cro pushes that number to almost $48 million. Holmes alone would account for almost $8 million of that figure … or about 16% of their highest cap ceiling. For a team desperate to make upgrades to their secondary and offense heading into the 2014 NFL Draft, Holmes’ $8 million would go a long way.  

I don’t see Holmes returning in almost any circumstance, but for sake of argument let’s say he does. Unless Holmes is willing to restructure so that he sees only about $2 -4 million in 2014 with nothing hanging over the team’s head for 2015 he couldn’t be back. In that narrow case, then it still comes down to what intangibles Tone offers the team over production; just like GM John Idzik’s affinity for David Garrard.

And therein lies the irony.

While Tone’s production was fairly good in the past, it was all Tone’s intangibles that have historically been the problem. Therefore the thought of the Jets keeping Santonio Holmes for all the reasons he’s been an organizational thorn-in-the-side during his NFL career seems preposterous.

Bottom line? It’s a nice sentiment from Tone but he and the Jets are heading in different directions come 2014.




80 comments
machoking
machoking

Great article....This is very simple, no production, getting older and a bad attitude.... That's it move on!!! The idea that anybody can defend having him on this team is just so ridiculous. Why not try your luck with a younger cheaper guy, who MIGHT have a better attitude.



jetrealist
jetrealist

Pay cut or not I do not care. Get rid of him. He's a pain in the ass, has a snippy attitude, is getting older, has been consistently injured, hasn't done squat for 3 years and is being paid too much while being no better than any of the other WR stiffs we have on this team.

mario3
mario3

if he's healthy and willing to play for vet minimum then its a smart move as long as we draft a WR in the top rounds or pick up a WR in FA.

McGeorge
McGeorge

I'm for Keeping Holmes for a year at the Vets minimum, plus incentives because the  Jets have no one else.  If they draft two good receivers, then maybe let him go.

karlhungus
karlhungus

My guess is that he will take a massive pay cut, probably vet min, on a one year deal with incentives to go play with a real QB.... I could see the Pats, Packers, Seahawks, 49ers, Lions, and Bears looking at him, the Ravens as well.... He would be pretty tough to deal with having Megatron on the other side and Stafford as his qb....same with the two beasts in Chi, tone in the slot could be deadly....


Having said that, if he is really willing to take a cut to the vet minimum or something close to it, then there is really no reason to get rid of him...we don't have anything better and he should be much healthier...... I haven't heard any teammates say anything bad about him..... its not like Sanchez, who has proven he cant play, tone can still play, but until we get a QB, no WR is going to want to come here.... no reason to give up talent if its on a cap friendly deal.

marcus81
marcus81

if Izzy is gonna clean house, go ahead and do it without getting sentimental. Tone doesn't fit the offensive scheme with the roster we have anyways

ganggrncap
ganggrncap

Until we gt a dam replacement,  keep Holmes.  Without Holmes are offense will be a dam 0.0000000000.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

aren't part of his intangibles that he was really trying to help out with the young receivers? Not saying we should keep him for that, just saying that saying his intangibles haven't been all bad as portrayed above.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Keeping Holmes would be a smart move....especially as a #3 receiver. I'd draft a WR in round 1 or 2 who is a legit playmaker and pair him with Kerley and Holmes. Stephen Hill should not be guaranteed a roster spot. He should have to make the team. The guy simply hasn't produced as a Jet. I'd also trade for or draft a legit TE

kniff
kniff

I will always consider Cro a Jet, and I've got much in my heart for him. Letting him test the 2014 market is fine with me... but maybe I'd rather see him retire, much in the style of Brandon Moore.


Sanchez needs to move on, and so do I!! Best of luck to him, he's a vet and would make a good second string for some other team...just not US!!


Holmes at a vet minimum with incentives (as posted below) I could live with... otherwise hasta la vista!!


Hill I will give another year to... maybe a third year is a charm! 


Garrard was great in Jacksonville... let him go back there (no hard feelings at all) we just need the roster spot...


Mean and Green reboot 2014!!

juunit
juunit

"Anything?"

OK, kill James Dolan and you can come back. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

To sum up for all the replies. it's Idzik's job to stock the cupboard and make most of our roster productive, not just self-motivated guys that we all consider our core. And yes, Garrard is needlessly taking up a roster spot because he can't play. Therefore, we could add a guy to help the team in another way, even on ST and get some use out of the whole roster. Sorry, but I don't think we're so deep that we shouldn't treat every roster spot as if it were gold.


Going forward, I think we'll all get educated on Idzik's thinking this off-season and for the team's sake and fans sake I hope he sets a strong standard for excellence. My concern is he may to too low key to make tough decisions and climb out on that limb. Can't wait to see  I'm wrong.

djf1
djf1

Holy crap.  In the daily links thread, Bent wrote this:


The fact only one of our receivers (Hill) has played more than 500 snaps is even sadder.


I was just curious, so I looked up snap count stats on the FO site.  Hill is the top Jet at #55 in % of offensive snaps played (a sad 66%) - all 31 other teams have at least one receiver with a higher percentage.


We have god-awful stability at the WR spot.  Not exactly ideal for a rookie QB trying to learn how to play in the NFL.

bossyacorn
bossyacorn

There is no chance this guy will be a Jet next year. Bottom line is he is not the player he was in 2010. Good riddance. He can take Stephen Hill with him because he is worthless.

jvsvn
jvsvn

It's hard to imagine him returning. Holmes was one of the signature signing of the Tanny era. My guess is that Idzik will want to move on (and get the cap space). Santonio had some great moments for the Jets but it's the right move. Let's face it, we're a team that just missed the playoffs for the third straight year.  It's not the time to invest a lot of money on inconsistent, aging vets. Don't get me wrong, I think that Santonio still has the ability to have a couple of great, high impact seasons (if he can get and stay healthy). The guy has incredible talent. I just don't think he can have great seasons with the Jets. The best thing that could happen to Santonio would be to go to a team with an established QB and a ore established receiving core. As the #2 receiver on a good team, he would probably do a lot of damage. Unfortunately, because of his contract and health status, trading him is probably impossible.  

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Sure hope the Jets clean house and get rid of dead wood on the roster like Holmes, Garrard, Vlad and a few others. By definition, I'm defining dead wood as players occupying a roster spot that should be occupied by dynamic young talent waiting to explode on the field and dramatically contribute to winning games. When you have a bunch of talented guys pushing the starters for playing time, that's when you know you've not only arrived but you have staying power.


If you think that's impossible, think again. Even before they started learning how to win, you could see it developing with the 49'ers and Seahawks. They seemed to draft better than other teams and play with hunger even though they would still lose in the end.


I like what Idzik said about building through the draft, but he's going to have to prove he can identify young talent. And on the flip side, he also has to prove that he can cut guys he likes but who are not able to contribute on the field. For example, nice guy Garrard can't be on the roster. If you need a vet for the purpose of coaching a rookie, you must get a vet who has a few years left and can still play. Or make the guy a coach and give the roster spot to a player. That's called efficiency.


Said simply, Idzik best prove himself in 2014 and the rules are simple:

1. Limit "projects" to draft rounds 6-7,  set goals / timeframes for rounds 1-3 (ready to play full or part-time year 1) and 4-5 (play ST year 1 & O or D spot duty year 2). If not achieved, cut the draftee because you've made a mistake.

2.  Contract wisdom: Limit the roster to meaningful contributors on the field. If you can't play them for a long period of time than you can't pay them for a long period of time.

3. Draft choices must sink or swim based on results. This means that you don't blow off 1 or 2 seasons to develop a starting QB. Train up to a certain fundamental skill level off-line, then when that level of progress has been achieved you can safely see if the talented rook can take it the rest of the way in real action. Finally, evaluate based on the results achieved, not on spin or BS or projection. If the Jets were run as a smart, results oriented business like this, Geno would not have been starting and the Jets would be getting ready for the playoffs.


Hate to say it, but in bringing Garrard back Idzik is more like Rex's player-friendly, player on scholarship GM , than a won-loss results oriented GM. And if he keeps Holmes & Vlad around and donates another year to on-the-job training of Geno, he might as well keep Rex as HC because it'd be like he was replacing himself.

t__k
t__k

Not a Holmes fan at all.  Can't stand the guy and his act just wears you down after awhile.  That being said, our WR group is so thin I'm wondering if the prudent move would be to bring him back on a low cost 1 yr deal for insurance in case we don't land the WR's we want this off season while also providing depth.

bob
bob

Holme s is gonna have a big year..itsa comming

Fartrell Cluggins
Fartrell Cluggins

He could offer to play for free and I still wouldn't want him. Right after saying he'd do anything for the team, someone told him the Jets were eliminated from playoff contention and he says "doesn't bother me." So tired of his act.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

NFL caliber receiver ,loved by his teammates and coaches considered a mentor,willing to work out a deal that keeps him in green and white. Highly productive receiver on the field,never in trouble off the field.

But is considered a cancer in the locker room by some fans based on the end of one game in a career. There are worse things than showing passion for the game and a will to win. It's not as if he never made a statement that was not in support of his team or coaches. He is grossly over payed and may not be back because of that but that is through no fault of his own.

Bytor
Bytor

Great route runner, fast, clutch, probably misunderstood, would actually like him back (green colored glasses and all), but yeah I think he's gone. Not usually an alarmist, but how good would he fit with the team north of us?  

marcus81
marcus81

@ganggrncapKerley is our no.1 receiver and he's not really a no.1 receiver, Tone has disappeared even when he plays

marcus81
marcus81

@bradysucksHill is too young and he was a project player when he was drafted. the pay off could be big when he learns to play in the NFL.

djf1
djf1

@kniff umm, cro is 29. 

there's no chance he's retiring.

djf1
djf1

@juunit Although, a dead Dolan won't improve the Knicks point guard play (or the lack of thereof).

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

@jvsvnThe Holmes 'signature signing' by Tannenbaum was one reason Mr. Tannenbaum is no longer among the living in Florham Park. A disastrous move, in terms of both the cap and team chemistry, Tannenbaum, probably against his better judgment, acquiesced to Rex Ryan, who impulsively decided he 'had to have him.'  Ryan, too, may get his just reward in a couple of weeks....

Jim Israel

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfnDon't you need to have those dynamic young, talented guys on your roster BFEORE you chop away the slightly less dynamic, not quite as talented guys you already have?

Yicheng Feng
Yicheng Feng

@frustjetfn 


Jesus dude, really? You got it all figured out huh? I guess NFL owners don't even need GMs, they can just print out your little cheat sheet and "Madden" their way to all undefeated seasons huh?


Yea, no kidding we'd all love to have quality vets on manageable contracts at every position with hungry "dynamic" rookies who are "ready to explode" pushing for playing time. Just because you wrote your version of a perfect team in a perfect world doesn't mean it's at all feasible.


You watch way too much ESPN, Seattle and SF are NOT perfect franchises. 

-"They always draft well".   No, they do not. It's very simple, they don't always draft well. For Seattle, remember Lawrence Jackson? Aaron Curry? Kelly Jennings? Jordan Hill? James Carpenter? No you probably don't.

Seattle had ONE good draft in 2010, that's it. So take it easy, stop drinking the Kool-Aid ESPN 's been feeding you.


There's no simple checklist

djf1
djf1

@frustjetfn Vlad is not wasting roster space, it's not his fault he's not getting playing time.  He's fine.


Garrard isn't really taking up anyone else's space since most teams have 3 QBs.

ww85
ww85

@johnnyl65  At first I was hoping Spent wrote this, but I think you may be serious. Tone may be talented, but he can't stay on the field, hold on to the ball after he is hit, & his production has steadily deteriorated. The guy wouldn't start on any other NFL team even as a slot. OK maybe some teams would give him a shot in the slot, but he is a joke really.

ww85
ww85

@Bytor 2013: 395 YDS. 2012: 272 YDS. 2011: 654 YDS. 2010: 746 YDS.  If there is a less productive "#1" WR, please do share.

levi
levi

@Bytor The only thing North of me is Ottowa but I will assume you mean the Pats. He would probably be a nice fit and be successful. How about Revis in their secondary with Talib on the other side too. That would be scary.

juunit
juunit

True. Though watch him trade the 2018 1st rounder for Lowry. I mean, who needs draft picks?

juunit
juunit

@Yicheng Feng@frustjetfn 

Hell, it's hard to "Madden" my way to an undefeated season in Madden. My 12-0 team lost to the 2-10 Chiefs last night. And I wasn't even playing as the Jets!

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@ww85 @johnnyl65 His deteriorated play may have something to do with sh8t QB's throw him the ball and lack of production is from as you pointed out,injury.

He is a legit NFL caliber WR with great route running and catching skills.

This years fall off should be expected given the severity of the injury he is recovering from. I get where you're coming from but the only legit argument is that he's being paid as a legit #1 while he is a legit #2. To say he wouldn't start on another squad is just false.

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 @Bytor He'd be like their new Deion Branch. Gronk is their #1.

levi
levi

@ww85 Stephen Hill after Holmes is gone.

juunit
juunit

@djf1@juunit 

No clue, but it's definitely a good thing you can only trade away your 1st rounder every other year. Otherwise we'd never have a draft. 

djf1
djf1

@juunit Haha...I wonder how far in the future a draft pick you can trade.  I guess once the value of the pick is valued as less than a 2nd rounder, it has no value.

Zartan
Zartan

So your checklist isn't perfect.

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 @Bytor I wouldn't be crushed if Holmes is gone, but I think he'd be a good fit up there.

ww85
ww85

@Bytor @ww85 I would pray for the Pats to take Holmes.Reminds me of the Al Haynesworth situation. I don't think BB is that dumb.

ww85
ww85

@levi @ww85 Stephen Hill:  24/51 342 yards.  Tone: 18/46 395.  Kerley: 33/48 413 yds. The only guy there who is consistent is Kerley. It's a joke of a WR corps.

levi
levi

@ww85 Hill has more snaps than any other WR on the team. What are you talking about?

levi
levi

@ww85 Haha Im not a big Holmes fan but you are seriously under rating him. I think we have different definitions of a #1 WR. Kerley is NOT one and Ive been on record for years saying Holmes is not a true #1 either. As I said Im not a big fan but that does not blind me to his abilities. 

ww85
ww85

@levi @ww85 Hill is not even a starter. Our slot receiver is our #1.