Player Interest List v2.0 – Secondary

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While we created an earlier version of this list, in large part due to the help of Steiny, this list has absolutely exploded. Now, So look for the rest of the positional groups one by one over the next 24 hours. Make sure to thank Steiny for his hard work in the comments.

While the Jets have interviewed and scouted literally hundresd of players, here’s our best attempt to come up with a list (with links to prove it) that the Jets have had some sort of extended contact with the following players.

DEFENSIVE BACKS

CB Ray Fisher (Indiana) 5-10, 185,
Projection: 5-7 Description: Former WR with just one year of CB skills. Also can KR/PR. Raw talent, but talented.

CB Brandon Ghee (Wake Forest) 5-11, 191, 4.37 40yd dash
Projection: 2-3 Description: Has a meeting set up with the Jets, had an impressive 3.98 short shuttle on his pro day. Good in coverage whether man or zone, excellent athlete who plays larger than his size. Can be too aggressive at times, needs to improve his footwork and isn’t projected as an NFL “playmaker” according to some scouts.

NEW CB Kareem Jackson (Alabama) 5-11, 196, 4.40 40yd dash
Projection: 1-2 Description: Jackson was scheduled to visit the Jets. Solid press corner, who plays well at the line of scrimmage.

CB Robert “Reggie” McClain (Connecticut) 5-9, 194, 4.42 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 7 / UDFA Description: Pulled up with a bad hamstring during his pro day, will spend time with a few teams (Jags, 49ers, Patriots) and the Jets. McClain also showed impressive athletics with a 38″ vert and 23 reps at 225. Can play nickel and posted an impressive 12.6 YPR on punts (6th among seniors) in 2009.

CB Devin McCourty (Rutgers) 5-11, 193, 4.48 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 1-2-Description: Identical twin already plays CB for Titans, very smart, better with WRs ahead than behind, excellent special teamer.

CB Patrick Robinson (Florida State) 5-11, 190, 4.46 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 1-2 Description: Press cover corner, needs growth in zone & run support.

NEW CB Jerome Murphy (South Florida) 6-0, 196, 4.50 40yd dash
Projection: 2-3 Description: Spoke with the Jets. Murphy lacks great size (6-0, 196 pounds), but is a powerful hitter, and may be moved to safety in the NFL. A physical player, he needs to be a better tackler and is a bit slight for his height.

NEW CB Kyle Wilson (Boise State) 5-10, 194, 4.43 40yd dash
Projection: 1 Description: Wilson visited the New York Jets and is one of the best playmakers in this draft class from the secondary. Playing in the WAC will draw some questions as his abilities to transition.

NEW S Nate Allen (South Florida) 6-1, 207, 4.40yd dash
Projection: Rd 2 Description: The Jets had a private interview/trip with Allen, nicknamed “The Golden Child.” Allen loves the game, and is a solid safety up around the line and back in coverage. Would be a step up from current safeties.

NEW S Stevie Brown (Michigan) 5-11, 212, 4.52yd dash
Projection: Rd 6-7 Description: The Jets like Brown and spent a lot of time quizzing former UM coach Lloyd Carr before spending significant time with Brown. Not invited to Combine, could be core special teamer and was solid in run support for the Wolverines.

FS Anthony Levine (Tennessee State) 5-11, 193 4.43 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 4 Description: Jets asked for ‘more film’ at Levine’s Pro Day. Levine plays bigger than his size, but needs to improve his finnesse and coverage skills.

NEW FS Mike Newton (SUNY Buffalo) 5-10, 197, 4.40 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 7 Description: Jets attended his Pro Day workout.

NEW FS Terrell Skinner (University of Maryland) 6-2, 214, 4.59 40yd dash
Projection: Rd 4 Description: Transitioned from WR to FS as a freshman, has a very long wingspan (6-9) and is a willing open field tackler. Not known as a playmaker. Likely initial special teamer with upside.

NEW FS Donovan Warren (Michigan) 6-0, 193, 4.62 40yd dash
Projection: 5-6 Description: Warren interviewed, with the Jets at the Combine. Warren noted that his meeting with Ryan was “a real good meeting.”

Analysis: The Jets are looking for a corner who can play nickel/slot and might project to a larger role down the road. Man coverage and agility are traits they are definitively looking for in a corner. If the player can also be a punt returner, that might be a bonus for the Jets. While the Jets added Cromartie this offseason, they’re not opposed to using a high pick on a corner. As far as safeties, they’ve looked at a wide range of players, but most seem to not be par excellence when it comes to their coverage skills, leading you think think they are leaning towards a 46-type safety. It would appear that other than a very short list of players, they’d likely try and draft a player late.

35 comments
cpins
cpins

Two ways this works out and Toby hit on one of them w/his last comment.


If the Mets can break the 80 win barrier and start drawing closer to 3m than 2m in 2015 then the club ought to be generating a significant profit, raising payroll closer to $120m should be possibly without bleeding red ink and a $15m under-peforming deal should be easily absorbed.  And if the Mets aren't drawing at least over 2.5m in 2015 then 2016 will be ugly when Harvey first hits arb.


The other way is if Juan Lagares can develop into a 95-ish wRC+ hitter in 2015 while Cesar Puello posts 2 WAR in his first full season with the big club.  This would allow the Mets to trade Granderson (maybe with some cash) midway through his deal.


Given it appears that the Wilpon's no longer have a way to finance annual operating losses - getting to .500 this season and stopping the attendance hemorrhage may be absolutely essential to the future.  If that's true then a bad long-term deal or two this season that allows the club to hit the .500 mark may be the only way to have a shot at increased payroll in the future that will be necessary to acquire outside talent when Harvey is back.

supert
supert

Without a "4th year" in all likelyhood Granderson wouldn't be a Mets.

flushed
flushed

In his final year, Granderson will probably come closer to justifying his 2018 paycheck than Young will this year. 15 million will end up being the equivalent of 7.25 by then anyway.

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

My question will be whether the contract has a no-trade clause. By 2017, if need be, he could always be shipped to the AL as a designated hitter.

trouble
trouble

I'm sure that most people would rather have had the deal be only three years. But this was a deal that HAD to be done. It reminds me a lot of the Pedro deal. We needed to overpay a little to re-legitimize the franchise and make it an attractive place for other players to sign.

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

I was against the signing initially. But the Zips projections favor him being about a 1.5-2.0 WAR player each year of the contract. At 15 million a season it's not that much of an overpay.

onetruerob
onetruerob

I would say my argument is two-fold, one is that I think he's capable of a rebound to about his career average, which is an impressive .261/.340/.488 and that even if he is a 1-1.5 WAR player in the end of his career the Mets won't be in a bad spot even if their payroll isn't one of the top in baseball as we're seeing a massive shift in the value of a win due to the influx of new money in baseball. At the current valuation of a win, if Granderson were a 1.5 win player, it would still only be about a 5 mil overpay.


Also worth noting is that Granderson will be younger at the end of this deal than Ellsbury will be at the end of his.

dave42
dave42

This is a team that will strike out a ton.  Lagares, Young, Granderson, OK, they'll cover a lot of ground in the field.  But they will bring a whole new meaning to the term Generation K. 

gloveman
gloveman

if there is only one year where he is overpaid, then I'll be one happy camper! I think on this one you need to credit ownership with getting it done. It just needed to happen!

Chris
Chris

I agree with the EDIT. Although I'd replace "will" with "had better be".

lakes
lakes

I really didn't want to guarantee him four years, but with Choo poised to sign for (at least) double what Granderson got, and the next best option the vastly overrated Nelson Cruz, the Mets absolutely needed to make this happen, and if four years was the sticking point, so be it. I can't hate the deal.

So far as other needs go, I'm very lukewarm on Drew. Before the Mets enter the market for him, they need to go get at least one solid, reliable starter. I thought Dan Haren would have been perfect for what they need, 30 starts, ~180 average or better innings at a reasonably priced one year contract. I don't think they get Arroyo, they won't be in on Garza, Santana, or Jiminez, I see Maholm as a realistic candidate. After that, if there's any money left, then they can get Drew.

yankeehater
yankeehater

I am neither upset, nor thrilled by the deal. The team is better than it was yesterday....which isn't saying much I know. Hopefully they get 2 decent years out of him before the inevitable takes place.

Daniel
Daniel

I think grandy will be a good deal for the first 2-3 years. Should provide + defense, power, and speed for us. I'm excited.


Now we need a SS, and I'm good. Go get Drew. Give up the 3rd rounder.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

Nice of SNY to flip the switch on the comment application mid, biggest story of the week. 


I said previously I'm torn with excitement on this. Grandy is a good move, but in reality this really just replaces the production Byrd gave the mets last year. Defensively this makes the outfield AWESOME... which will help the young pitchers. But Grandy isn't going to out produce what Byrd gave the mets last year. 


More moves need to get done, before i'm Legit excited about 2014... but this at least helps.

pundit18
pundit18

@Marcus Jensen The problem with all of these projection is small sample size. This is why stats have to be supplemented with scouting. I'm comfortable with Granderson being a 2.5 -3.0 WAR player his first 2 years.

onetruerob
onetruerob

@Marcus Jensen Take the over on his Zips too, it only knows that he was hurt last year, not that it was a broken arm (which is usually considered a freak occurrence, not a sign of a player breaking down)

natew
natew

"Also worth noting is that Granderson will be younger at the end of this deal than Ellsbury will be at the end of his." 


Actually that is NOT worth noting as the only reason its true is because Ellsbury's birthday is in Sept and Granderson's is in March.  Both players will have their age 36 season in the last year of their deals.  The reason the Ellsbury deal could be better is that 5 of the 7 years he will be under 35, while with Granderson its only 2 of 4 years. 

metman9
metman9

@lakes I am happy to see the Mets get Granderson from a pure baseball standpoint both on the field and off.  Grandy will finally add protection for Wright, the guy can hammer.  Those long fly balls I think will start turning into doubles and triples at Citi Field, and he is not a product of Yankee Stadium, 48% of HRs were on the road.  Yes, his swing and approach changed to fit Yankee Stadium which made him susceptible to the offspeed and pitches away.  Hoping his approach will again adapt to Citi, he will also provide some much needed leadersip for the young players.

Personally I would rather see the Mets NOT invest money in the starting rotation, most of the guys we are all seeing being talked about wont take a 1 year deal and anything more than one year is a pure waste unless Neise or Gee become expendable at the All Star break trade deadline.  I can see the Mets focusing on low risk high reward stop gaps as they already have Neise, Wheeler, Gee, Mejia and guys like Montero and Syndergaard have already been mentioned by the Mets as being guys they expect to see this summer in Queens.  I would anticipate  spring training invite for the final spot until those guys are reading in June/July.  
Would not mind seeing Davis and/or Murph moved to Tampa for Escobar (they are looking for a 2b), or even packaged for upper level position player prospects to free up money to make a run at Drew.  Jed Lowrie is a possibility but Alderson may not want to part with the pieces, though I would move Montero for Lowrie. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

I highly doubt it's the 3rd rounder that would stop them... More the money and commitment required for a non-elite level SS. 


Not that i don't like Drew, but considering what Peralta got, he could cost near what Grandy just got.. 4 years 48 mil maybe... not sure, but that will be the hold-up... not a 3rd round pick.

Former MetBlogger
Former MetBlogger

@Mark Kelly

No doubt - I blame Granderson 100%.  :)


My comment was wiped out completely, but I share your sentiments.  If they increase payroll back above 120 million, it's not as big of a deal.  If they don't, they need to look to move him once he bounces back.  Either way, the FA OF market is bleak next year, so the Mets should really look into moving Granderson if they can…an AL team might give up a couple of decent pieces for him.


btw - I'm in double stealth mode now, my avatar now buried beyond a fake Twitter account.  I'm slipping deeper and deeper into the internet.  Someday, I shall just be THX 1138….

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

What small sample size with Granderson? He's got a whole lot historical data he isn't a rookie.

natew
natew

* 4 of 7, rather

natew
natew

J.P. Ricciardi told me at last month's GM Meetings that the Mets would be willing to make that move for the "right" player, but that signing two free agents tied to draft pick compensation was unlikely.

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Daniel
Daniel

@Mark Kelly Drew is a 3-4 WAR SS. Don't be fooled by 2012 where he missed 11 months. He's only 31 in 2014 and will only cost around 4/48 IMO

Derpy
Derpy

Meh, it's not a big deal anyhow. Most the people who hate livefyre were annoying trolls.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

It's ok... Dealing in a similar world i know these things tend to happen... Just compltely funny i just posted... And came back and it's gone and a new system is in place.


I figured there would be a heads up from some of the bloggers, had it have been a planned flip over. 

Other than no EDIT feature, it's a much better system. 

Former MetBlogger
Former MetBlogger

@Mark Kelly

In terms of the 120 million dollar comment, I was just speaking about my dislike of the 3rd and 4th years…no edit button in live-fire, life-wire, whatever...

natew
natew

I wonder if it would change if one of those guys market falls apart and the price comes down.  But yea, lots of factors... most of them green and rectangular...

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

I think it's more unlikely because of 10 reasons other reasons before it is "Losing of a 3rd round pick"


Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

Exactly, i don't think losing the 2nd round pick really came into the picture.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

I don't disagree, and it's not that i don't like him... I just said i doubt it would be the 3rd round pick that stops the mets from signing him... It will be the monetary

Former MetBlogger
Former MetBlogger

@Mark Kelly The comment above wasn't that clear - I posted when I thought I could edit.  Here's the summary.  


1) I like the fact that the Mets are finally adding some MLBers this offseason

2) I don't like the 4th year.  The 3rd year I can live with.  If the payroll has flexibility to go back to normal big market levels, then I don't care about the 4th year as much…all teams need to be able to absorb losses at the end of contracts these days.

3) If payroll isn't increasing, I hope the plan is to shop Granderson once he rebounds this year.  The market for OF's is bleak next year, and Granderson could bring back a couple of nice pieces while taking the risky 3/4 years off the books.

4) Even if payroll isn't ballooning in the near future, I think it would be wise to shop Grandy next offseason if he rebounds, given the market.  

5) Again, happy the Mets are adding actual talent and not "hope-for-the-best" players...