Westhoff States Tebow is a "More Potent Brad Smith"

When the stories started getting out about how the Jets expect to use Tim Tebow, one of the most interesting areas that was brought up was his ability to help on special teams. While it seemed odd that the team would insert their backup QB into a special teams role, it sounds as if this is absolutely the case, per Manish Mehta’s interaction with Mike Westhoff via the Daily News.

Special teams coach Mike Westhoff told the Daily News he will use Tebow on his unit. Westhoff has already discussed his vision with Tebow, who was amenable and eager to contribute on special teams, according to the coach.

Although Westhoff didn’t reveal his exact plan, he called Tebow a “more potent Brad Smith” with an ability to make a difference on special teams.

I don’t think that Westhoff was referring to Tebow’s ability to return a kick or punt as the reason that Tebow is more potent, but I think it might be in other areas, probably in Tebow’s versatility that he has more strength than Smith.  I get the sense that as the protector or up-back on a punt, Westhoff feels more confident in Tebow’s ability to get five yards on the ground in a fake situation with Tebow, or maybe even 25 yards on a pass than he did with Smith, which might have warranted the comment.

I get the sense that the Jets will do their best to keep Tebow’s role on specials as much of a surprise as they can this spring and summer.  They might try and practice specific plays during some of the closed practices, but expect to see some interesting wrinkles on special teams with Tebow this fall.




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Kevin Dolorico
Kevin Dolorico

For what it's worth: Jack Haley was the guy that kept Rodman in check.


TH Jr has loads of untapped upside. He's shown more wrinkles in his offensive game & ball handling than last year - and he's certainly packed on a bit of muscle since his rookie year.

But there's work to do on assists/rebounds. And hey, even Allan Houston was capable of reaching 3apg/3rpg - minimal levels of production if you see yourself as a being worthy of starter minutes.


Shump - man, I think he's realized most of his potential - he's a Tony Allen-like defender, perhaps with stronger rebounding capability. His offense seems marginal as an NBA starter. He doesn't finish well in spite of his clear athleticism and he doesn't hit perimeter shots as well as you might think given his nice form. I think in a career year he could be a 12-13ppg scorer, but no longer do we see Michael Finley-like potential. Too many years have gone by w/o positive development. If anything he has apparently regressed. Lost some of the cockiness and attitude he had in his rookie year. Seems less self-assured.



bkyguy78
bkyguy78

What you guys are forgetting is that Metta and Rodman had Kobe and Jordan as leaders to keep them in check. When is Melo ever going to keep JR in check?

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

I love everything about this kid. His professionalism, his work ethic, etc. just the fact that he wasn't even considered a great athlete in Michigan compared to what he is now, just shows how hard he works on his game. His value is skyrocketing in summer league. Bumwald would have already traded him for Caron Butler or some ish...

phenomenal
phenomenal

Who originally reported JR was on the trading block?

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

This kid better not get traded. He is a star on the rise. Has 10x more upside than Shump...

OLDKNICK3
OLDKNICK3

Jimmy either loves to catch and shoot (and shooters can be crazy with that I know) or he has been given complete green light to shoot as soon as he gets over the half court line!

saintknick
saintknick

In case no one mentioned this on the Silver article - 


first of all, this guy is wrong a lot more than he is right. 


second, his statistical system breaks down in every sport without hundreds of comp points - and the NBA has a lot fewer comp points than MLB.


third, with so few comp points, the system falls apart completely if you include guys who were injured because injuries change everything. if Melo gets injured, he could be paid half as much and still be a bad value. The system should not include injured players and hedge its answers on the notion that all bets are off if a career altering injury happens - which, by the way, is the same truth if it is Lillard or Lebron or Michael Jordan or Melo.


FOURTH and final, and perhaps the BIGGEST ISSUE with this stupid system is it does not account for a rising salary cap and max salary in the next 5 years. 


SO consider this - if Melo's performance is exactly as silver predicts, so years 1-3 he's a value and by year 5 he's a 9 mil liability, GO AHEAD AND ADJUST for that value if the cap goes up only by the 7.5% it has been going up year to year - you'll find that he is still a value in year 5. NOW, instead, follow what the experts believe and raise the cap by much more in 2017-18 when the CBA will most likely dissipate and be replaced by one slightly more favorable to players (new TV contract). All the sudden, Melo, at $27 mil, is a much much bigger value.



Nate silver has made a career of being right occasionally and using statistics too confuse and awe laymen while other experts roll their eyes at his over-simplification. 


He's basically just nerdy Stephen A Smith

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

@Mel Brown Nice PER :))) I'm optimistic about Dally - I like his character and he loves to help the Haitian community. I think he'll be a favorite around here.


http://www.dalembertfoundation.org/


"Look at me, I'm living in a beautiful place. I'm blessed to be doing this. But a part of me said, 'You can help; you can do more.'"


-Samuel Dalembert


http://www.dalembertfoundation.com/haiti-president-praises-rockets-center-samuel-dalemberts-efforts



"Through his work with his Foundation, Samuel Dalembert has taken great interest in helping his economically devastated homeland of Haiti. Through partnerships with UNICEF, the Red Cross, and Feed the Children, the Foundation has been able to support numerous relief efforts, including bringing clean water and food supplies to Haiti after hurricane devastation.


The Samuel Dalembert Foundation’s newest initiative is to build and operate The Dalembert Academy, an educational institute and athletic training facility in Haiti."

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

What makes you so sure JR can "run the triangle"? He's not the highest IQ player by far. Rodman was smart and had great defensive instincts. JR just smokescsplifs all day.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@phenomenal 

The original report was on DYST. It's a online sports paper in Syracuse. They have little credibility.

knick4life
knick4life

@phenomenal  Last I heard he was supposed to be starting for the Knicks next year.  Would be interesting if he was suddenly traded although it would make sense.

phenomenal
phenomenal

@Mel Brown STAT is supposed to be the #2 but we all know what happened.  This year, we likely will not have a strong #2.... JR if he can stay healthy and get back to his 6MOTY play might be enough... but the only way to be competitive is to have 2 guys avg 15-18 pts BESIDES Melo... and some sort of enhanced team defensive energy. If you want a legit #2, might have to hope we can pull Marc Gasol to Gotham next year...

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@saintknick 

Silver is correct in that Melo at age 30 $22.5 million is a better value than Melo age 34 $28 million. If the cap and Melo's salary rise at 7.5%, he would have to be as productive at age 34 as he would at age 30, given the contract would still consume the same amount of cap space. You have to assume that Melo's production will decline. He will not play a league leading 38.7 minutes per game at age 34, as he did last year.


C0P0
C0P0

@saintknick I threw his sudo-science under the bus two days ago. He's a statistical hack, who gets off on the 5 minutes of fame his skewed computations bring. 

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

And they both won championships on those respective teams...they were kept in check. Are you questioning Kobe and Jordan's leadership skills based on your undying devotion to Melo?

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@KnickName @bkyguy78  Lol...kobe never checked Ron Ron...and Mj nor Pippen ever check rodman LOL....why do people chose to make up scenarios in their heads???


Rodman, he of the ever-shifting hair color and endless theatrics, has never been the image of simplicity. Yet here, a meaningful bond is reduced to a workplace arrangement. His job wasn’t to talk to Scottie or Michael, so he didn’t. Their relationship didn’t go beyond the limits of the game, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. There’s no rule that mandates core players to swap Christmas cards, much less share a few words.

But it’s the restraint of Rodman’s relationship with his most notable teammates that sticks out. It’s not that they weren’t friends. They didn’t have a conversation. Rodman was so committed to the limits of his interactions with MJ and Pippen that he didn’t bother to stop by their locker for a chat in three years.

There are teams in which the players form an infrastructure by way of their relationships (the Thunder are perhaps the best contemporary example of a squad defined by something akin to brotherhood, though similar dynamics can be traced through plenty of squads), but  the Bulls were not one of them. Jordan’s aloofness has since been pointed out in several books and many a piece online. Pippen’s complex as a second fiddle has become a part of his lore. And Rodman, always a bit of an oddball, is now the man who wouldn’t speak to those whom he shared the court and three titles with, regardless of their stature on the Bulls or in the NBA.


They never even talked...LOL!


VIA-PROBASKETBALLTALK

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

Link where Phil said that?

josedolan
josedolan

@KnickName @bkyguy78 I can be patient with him with his overall potential. I rather he learns to be aggressive on D and possess the Offensive skills he can bring than have him be a Defense specialist that cant score (Shump)

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

For a second year player with his work ethic? Yup

knick4life
knick4life

@Daniel Nguyen @bkyguy78  Shump can score, Woody's offense just had him relegated to the corner while Melo and JR went isolation and Raymond Felton dribbled the ball off his feet.  In more of a motion offense, Shump should thrive.  But you don't want him averaging 15 ppg. You want him in more of a Tony Allen role.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Daniel Nguyen Phil put him on the trading block for a reason. He might know something we don't. Like he's doing more than just smoking pot. 

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

No one is questioning his talent, just his decision making and distraction off the court.

knick4life
knick4life

@Mel Brown @knick4life @phenomenal  Makes sense because it gets Timmy, Shump and Early more PT and it looks like they want to move Melo back to the 3.  If you can get a 1st round pick or a legitimate PF/C for him I would strongly consider trading JR.

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

Again, this is your opinion? Speculation? Or were you on the team?

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

Excuse me, At what point did I say Kobe is nowhere near the leader Jordan was?

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

@Scott Berger-Felder @bkyguy78 Sacred Hoops is the best one :D He makes his players do Meditation sessions. Just imagine JR sitting with his fingers together up to his ears and going OMMMM ^_^

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Tony Fonseca @KnickName @MeloStat301 @bkyguy78  Exactly...

Tony Fonseca
Tony Fonseca

@MeloStat301 @Tony Fonseca @KnickName @MeloStat301 @bkyguy78 Phil has this great unique leadership skills that allows an individual to be himself without curtailing their emotions. yet he make sure that they understand  that the need and team winning goals of the organizations must come first. Very unique and difficult to accomplish

josedolan
josedolan

@Mel Brown @KnickName Amare and Shump will be first to go. Phil is trying to drive the price for Bargs. 


We now have younger specialists. 


Tyler, Dalembert, Aldrich and Smith. 


All Cheap and dont need the ball to make contributions to the team. Also Less EGO and more about their roles.

josedolan
josedolan

@Mel Brown @KnickName @mrdbo True. But when you have inconsistent PG's... it makes it worst. JR should not have to think where can he shoot. He should get the ball in his Hot Zones. Same as Melo. Calderon can do that. Also, With Phil and Fish in his face, there wont be this I can do anything if Dad dont see it or say anything attitude. He knows this is his last chance to win in a big market! 


Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

@Tony Fonseca @MeloStat301 So it seems like Phil may be better blessed this time around with easier guys to work with... Tim seems to love the learning process of the game, and so does Cleanthony. Shumpert is a fun communicative guy. JR Smith... him too