Jace Amaro

Amaro needs adjustments, likely ahead of Cumberland

Jace Amaro needs to make a “host” of adjustments to a professional system, offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said (Cimini, June 24).

Still, Amaro is likely ahead of Jeff Cumberland in most pass packages (Cimini, June 17).

“We’re deep and talented at the tight end spot,” Mornhinweg said recently. “That’s going to be an impressive position for the New York Jets for years to come.”

Cumberland still seems to have the edge for blocking duties, as Amaro fits more of a big wide receiver-type than a old-style tight end.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

I’m not sure I buy the suggestion that Amaro is ahead of Cumberland right now. All indications are that he has struggled at times, as he makes the adjustment from the spread – which he played in while at Texas Tech – to a West Coast offense. I would attribute the fact that he was getting reps ahead of Cumberland in certain packages to the fact that he needs as many reps as possible. Much like the Jets have admitted they have been doing with Dawan Landry at the safety position, I could see them relegating Cumberland – who should know the offense – to the second unit in order to get Amaro as many reps as possible to bring him up to speed.

Eric Allen from the Jets Official Site said on twitter yesterday that Zach Sudfeld had an excellent spring, so he might also be one to watch, which would indicate that Amaro has work to do if he wants to solidify his place in the rotation.




117 comments
BDarc23
BDarc23

Why did Cumberland only have 26 catches last year?  Bad routes?

tsjc68
tsjc68

COUNTERBOOOOOM MUSA

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23 I don't think much to his route running, no.  Or his hands.


He's worked at his blocking though and he does have the tools to be a more productive weapon.


He missed a bit of time, didn't he?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23

This again?


Q: Why did (insert offensive weapon here) only produce (insert offensive statistic here)?

A: Because, for the past half decade, our offense as a wholistic unit has pretty much sucked.  Less balls to go around + fewer accuracy with those balls = fewer targets + less stats

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I want Nigeria to make it through. Makes the US look better for beating them. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 

How about simply responding we had a rookie QB...that says it all instead of some cosmic offensive NY Jets funk.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @tsjc68 Iran and Argentina both need to win for Nigeria to go out.  Both are tied right now.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

I know several Nigerians and few Argentinians.  I'm rooting for the Green and White here.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @BDarc23 Because it's not just Geno, it's Geno, Simms, Sanchez, McElroy, Schotty, Sparano, and the fact that only the 49ers and Panthers have fewer pass attempts than the Jets from 2009-2013.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Because then we're putting all the blame on one person which is unfair and untrue. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent What's the tie-breaker after head-to-head? If goal differential is even, and they tied, does it go to total goals scored? If that's the case, Iran would need to make up a 1-goal deficit in that department. If Nigeria loses by 1 and Iran wins by 1 they are tied in goal differential. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I'm rooting for a draw, since I picked that in my pool that I filled out, but Nigeria winning would make them Group winners, which would be an interesting shake-up since everyone in the world picked Argentina to win that group. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se

Jets scoring:

2008 405 points, 9th in the NFL

2009 348 points 17th in the NFL

2010 367 points 13th in the NFL

2011 377 points 13th in the NFL

2012 281 points 28th in the NFL

2013 290 points 29th in the NFL

I would take any of the offensive production from 2008 to 2011 this year and be happy.

The problem in 2012 was mainly Sparano.

The problem in 2013 was mainly Geno.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @Brendan It will be disappointing to see Iran go out because I'm enjoying the Iron Shiek's reactions to their progress on twitter.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent Yes, total goals scored might even be before head to head.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68


That's mainly running the ball, though.


Even in 2009-2011 when we scored points, we scored points by running the ball more than everyone else.  We rarely threw the ball.


The main reason that Santonio Holmes and Jeremy Kerley and Braylon Edwards and Dustin Keller and Stephen Hill and all those other Jets WRs and TEs never break X number of catches or X number of yards like their peers often do is because 


A.) they kept getting injured

B.) we've possessed the ball for less, due to excessive turnovers

C.) they just get targeted less frequently than their peers on other teams, because we don't throw the ball very much

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se How can you ignore Sanchez's 2012 nightmare? 


That's the type of commentary that makes you come off as very biased. 2013? QB! 2012? Definitely not the QB!

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent It also stinks because Iran, despite only scoring 1 goal so far, has been playing well. That was a sneaky-good group, where there wasn't any significant dropoff with the three teams that aren't Argentina. 

levi
levi

@Bent  He is funny and a bit nutty.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @Brendan

Fun Fact: The Iron Sheik used to be a bodyguard to the Shah of Iran.


He also wrestled at the infamous 1968 Mexico City games.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Oh, you might be right. I've heard both, not sure who is actually right, but someone on TV said the head-to-head is next up after goal differential, so I ran with that. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

you are full of it.

Sanchez threw 26 TD passes in 2011 while Brett HOF Favre only threw 22 in 2008 when they scored 28 more points than 2011. Favre threw for 3472 yards while Snachez threw for 3474 yards.


a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I included 2008 to show that Schotty's offense with a HOF QB could produce the 9th best scoring offense in the league.

2009 is schotty's offense with a rookie QB and they dropped to 17th.

2010 and 2011 showed the ceiling of Schotty's offense with a schlub like Sanchez.

2012 showed what sparano could do with the same schlub at QB which was considerably worse than Schotty.

2013 showed what a significantly better OC could do with a RAW rookie QB....which was the lowest ranked offense as far as scoring goes of the 6 seasons.

 

 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68 How many rushing yards did they have in 2011 and 2008?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

And even in 2011, when Sanchez threw for all those touchdowns, the New York Jets ranked 21st in the league in passing yards and 17th in passing attempts.


We don't throw the ball as often as other teams do.


I don't know why this needs to be explained to Jets fans.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You are really over-simplifying something that shouldn't be over-simplified. 


And you used points as your rankings, you should use either yards or FO's ranking system. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I missed it! Just grabbed food and got back to see the crowd shots. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68 

2011 1692 rushing with 14 TD;'s...Sanchez had 6 of the rushing TD's FWIW

2008 2004 yards rushing and 20 TD's.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Can you explain why you always fixate and repeat this point? Every time it's mentioned you do this like it's some trump card. He scored 32 total touchdowns that year, if you count rushing plays. He also had a three game stretch that single-handedly sunk the season with how terrible it was. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 Our running game was so good in 2008.  Shame we were going nowhere because we couldn't defend short passes and Favre stunk up the joint.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57se @tsjc68 That game plan in Seattle wasn't Favre's fault.  One of the worst coached games of the past 10 years.  It's snowing, FB dives are gashing the defense (T-Rich 5 for 34 yards) and when its 4th and short at the goal line, FG unit comes out when a TD was critical given the game conditions.  25 rushes to 31 passes IN THE SNOW!!!  Afraid to have Seneca Wallace get the ball on the 3 yard line?  I went ballistic after that game and wanted Mangini fired.  No way the Jets should've lost that game with their OL and RBs.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @Bent @a57se 

BFD, that doesn't change the fact that the Geno lead Jets offense was the lowest ranked in scoring points over the same time period.

It also doesn;t change the fact that your argument was lame to begin with.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @tsjc68 No point, no agenda, just adding to the discussion the fact that the Jets had a superior running game in 2008.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I think these teams forgot they're allowed to stop the other team from shooting on goal. 

Pete 57
Pete 57

I remember watching that game with my brother. Leon had a big run early in the game and he never touched the ball again. It was one of many Schotty games where I said afterward, if we had run the ball every play we would've won. That's how you know Schotty wasn't any good. If you could win a game by the most simplistic offensive game plan (running every play) and you still don't win with your game plan, then it's time to find another job.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent


Q: Why did this dude not have many catches?
A: Because we don't throw the ball that often.


THIS IS NOT A POINT WORTH DEBATING.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Bent 

Haha...especially since we stopped throwing the ball because Geno was SO FREAKIN' BAD AT IT!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent Geno had a higher completion percentage with far inferior pass receiving weapons than Sanchez had in 2012.  Heck, Sanchez at least had Kerley in the slot for all 16 games and Chaz Schilens probably would've been the best WR on the team last year.  Sanchez also, for the most part, had Keller during his entire tenure.  He was Sanchez's safety valve.  Who did Geno have that was remotely like Keller, other than Kerley, who Sanchez also had?


Also, Geno had 5 games with under 25 attempts and his record was 2-3.  With 25 or more, it was 6-5.  So, it looks like the more Geno threw, the Jets had a better chance of winning.  In 2012, Sanchez had 5 games under 25 attempts and was 4-1.  He was 2-8 in the rest.  So, the more Sanchez threw, the less likely it was that the Jets won.  Those, my friend, are facts, too.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Bent

Which was included in my original comment, even though you ignored it.


Quoting myself, with emphasis:


"Less balls to go around + fewer accuracy with those balls = fewer targets + less stats"


We don't throw the ball often.  When we do, we're not very accurate with it, so we're always towards the bottom of the completion rankings as well (we have the second fewest pass completions from 2009-2013).  


(That's not just a Geno problem, that's been a problem for the entirety of Rex's tenure.  Sanchez did the same thing, and the team similarly refrained from opening it up and letting Sanchez chuck it around the field with reckless abandon, even during his "good" season of 2011.)


The reason our wideouts and tight ends never amass gaudy offensive totals is because our quarterbacks have been turnover-prone and scattershot AND our offensive philosophy has been VERY, VERY conservative.


We throw infrequently and complete passes even less frequently, so there's just not enough balls to go around for a dude to pile up shiny counting stats.


Again, I don't know why this needs to be explained to Jets fans who lived through it for the past five years.