Bengals retain Greg McElroy on futures contract

Not that there was much expectation he would be returning in 2014, but the Bengals have retained their rights on former Jet quarterback Greg McElroy.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

After Andy Dalton’s playoff showing and wholly inconsistent play over his career, the Bengals are a team that ought to objectively assess their quarterback spot. McElroy is a good guy and our hope is that they let him factor into any future competitions.

With the Jets, McElroy was a competent quarterback who had history running a West Coast style system. But it was McElroy’s ability to drive deep passes that might have been a determining factor when Marty Mornhinweg and the Jets were forced to pick between two project quarterbacks for 2013. Matt Simms struggled with his accuracy up until this season, but made marked improvements this summer. While Mornhinweg does run an offense with a West Coast moniker, the Jets offensive coordinator also knows that deep passes are an element that has to be part of a modern West Coast.




42 comments
SackDance99
SackDance99

Another sign of why the Bengals never win in the playoffs.  GMac is undersized, weak-armed and totally incapable of being an NFL QB.  I guess he's a good guy to have in camp because he'll be the first to run the offense in practice competently with his high football IQ, but he isn't and could never be a bona fide NFL QB.

djf1
djf1

Good luck to him, except if he ever faces the jets.

Brendan
Brendan

The previous winner of the Brett Ratliff sweepstakes! Proving he's worth every one of the wasted calls for him to start on the Jets!

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Werd, he's probably better than Dalton

spindoctor
spindoctor

@SackDance99 1 inch shorter than Pennington, another undersized weak-armed totally incapable....oh wait, he led the NFL in QB rating one year...never mind

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan 

because the starters proved they were worth all the reps,starts and loyalty..


Bent
Bent moderator

@MarshRandy I wonder if he'd have got more or less reps than Simms this year if he was the number three and Geno's performance was exactly the same.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Pennington was a high pick tho, while Mac was a 7th rounder. Can't really compare the two.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel It's great watching Jets fans hold onto crappy players that are crappy elsewhere. 

djf1
djf1

@Bent@MarshRandy probably depends on how he'd have done once on the field. 

Simms was forgettable, so they had to go back to geno.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

@Marvel@DrJonathanReefer


lifefrye always wins. It sucks so bad.


Yeah, bad moves for sure, but all in hindsight. If Sanchez was able to handle the NY pressure, nobody would care. Also, to make myself feel better, I pretend we would have drafted Wilson if the Seahawks didn't just two picks before.

Marvel
Marvel

@DrJonathanReefer 

I know more than the "professionals" that extended Sanchez and passed on Russel Wilson.


but lifefrye wins again because I'm now lost lol..




DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

@a57se@DrJonathanReefer


I'm on record ,when everyone was doing the "gives us the best chance to win" meme, that it wasn't blind loyalty, that starting Sanchez would in fact give us the best chance to win. Because Mac and Tebow were that bad.


Don't lump me in with the hysteric jet fans.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples 


"Fair shot" 


Fonzie, Big Mac was technically demoted to the PS by the Bengals, when he spent all of 2012 on the Jets' active roster. 32 NFL teams didn't want him on the active roster last year. But sure, "fair chance" or whatever. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Woah? I screamed for anyone but Sanchez? Doesn't sound like something I would do. I called him a bum yeah but I never would ever ask for Tebow.

a57se
a57se

@DrJonathanReefer 

I remember making the exact same argument last season when you and others were screaming for anyone but Sanchez.....hmmmm.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Marvel @Brendan The one thing you are leaving out is that the coaches see these players everyday in practice. It's not like Rex (and MM) doesn't want to win. If they thought Simms was giving them a better chance to get that win they would do it.  The fans are not evaluators than professional NFL coaches obviolusly.  That is why they always say the most popular player on a bad team is the backup QB.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

This!

The different between Brendan and a lot of us on this blog and you guys are WE DO NOT think we know more then the professionals do, just because we watch TV and read things online. It's kinda like you telling a doctor he is wrong because you read WEBMD and watche a lot of ER.

If MM and Lee tell me Simms isn't a starter then who the he am I? Or either of you two to tell him different?

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel I keep talking about Big Mac because this is a post about the Mac Daddy (for a crappy player, I could give him a lot of nicknames). 


You say "Geno was given every chance to succeed" like it's a bad thing. Should rookie QB's be given only one chance? I don't get what your point is here. 


I am very confident that if Simms started a game against a top defense that was getting after him, he would be destroyed. He can't read defenses (he showed that throwing into coverage against a prevent defense this year), so they would confuse him at the LOS and pressure him into mistakes. I don't need to see this unfold to know it will happen, he's a young, big-armed QB with inconsistent accuracy. It's not an original story. You can want crappy back-ups to start, but when you call out the head coach as being incapable of doing his job for not starting the crappy back-up, that's when you get to be unfair to Rex. Rex sees him practice daily, Marty and Lee coach him every day. If they thought he was a star in the making, they'd set him up to be one. 


Why does Simms deserve the same shot, can you answer me that? Why should the UDFA spoiled kid who went to three schools, wasn't a legitimate starter at any of them, and then was picked up because he has a cannon start? He hasn't proven to anyone that he deserves it over Geno, mainly because Geno is better than he is, so why should they start. If Simms was blowing people away in practice, he would have earned that right, but perhaps, and I know this is tough to swallow for Simms' supporters, but perhaps he showed consistent inconsistencies in practice that the team knew would only be made worse by playing top defenses in a live game situation? It's not like they just had Simms pick up dropped passes and get Geno water. He played football every single day in front of the guys who coach offense, if he was a stud we would know about it. 


Re: Rex/Sanchez - So, Rex gave an "okay" to give some kind of extension to his starting QB after they had won 28 games in 3 seasons, 32 if you count playoffs? Of course he did, this was pre-2012 disaster and at that point the regression was only 3 games in. Hindsight seems to be your biggest ally, Marvel. 

a57se
a57se

@Marvel

I agree with you completely. There is nothing more frustrating then people using cheap debate tactics when discussing stuff on this Blog. 

Marvel
Marvel

@DrJonathanReefer 

 you really care.. we have never seen eye to eye.. you haven't said one objective thing in 3 years plus we stopped replying to each other a while ago..u can have this one



for the record... ALL OF MY SCHOTTY ARGUMENTS WERE VALID.. but they were at those particular moments, so I'll leave it in the past.


Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 why do you keep talking about Greg?  my point remains the same, geno was given every chance to succeed (as far as reps /in game action goes ).


You wish they started him..so he could fail?  see people get just to win a debate? one day people will realize wanting a guy to get a shot,with equal reps etc, is NOT anointing him it's just thinking maybe he can be good. 


How one can watch Geno for a season and still believe, but in the same breath shoot down a guy that hasn't gotten anywhere near the same shot is beyond me.



as for Sanchez /Rex. If the HC says "can't win with him, can't work with him, can't prosper with him...can't do it"......I'm sure the GM would listen




Marvel
Marvel

@levi

 oh how random of you. I've stated I don't think geno has "it" and under different circumstances I would move on. But giving him weapons (3 out of the top 4 picks on offense +FA pick ups) and a vet back up is probably the best way to go.

 not a ringing endorsement, but it's not like I think hes a lifetime failure. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

You do know hawk eye here is basically just a new hank now but instead of mangini, his is Schotty.

Dude talked smack about how great Schotty is THIS year, when nobody cares how crappy the rams are lol.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel I didn't sidestep anything, my original comment still stands. 


Tomlin doesn't have to worry about overpaying the QB because his is good. But to act like he (or any other coach) has final say on contract extensions, or is what drives them, is inaccurate. 


How can I evaluate Simms? Because I've seen him play football. He doesn't impress when he plays soft prevent defenses, he's inaccurate, he overthrows, he can't really read a defense. People saw him move the ball between the 20's and got all moist in their panties over it. I'm assuming he can't prosper in the NFL because he's not skilled enough, the parallel to Ratliff is used to show how ridiculous it is and how it happens OVER AND OVER. It's not that it's Matt Simms, improving young QB. It's that he's Matt Simms, "backup that could be good, but almost certainly isn't, BUT HE COULD BE!" so why not just start him? 


I wish they did start him, so he could have sucked and we could cross another crappy ex-Jet QB off the list of potential starters that fans will cry for. 


McElroy stunk, he's a PS developmental QB and his PS time is over, so let's see if they even add him to the active roster. If the Jets draft or sign a QB...who goes? Geno? No, Simms, because he's terrible. 

levi
levi

@Marvel Oddly enough you seem to have labeled Geno a failure and he has had some success.

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 side stepped the Rex /Sanchez rebuttal. But what could you say.


How the hek can you eval simms ? based off assumption? stop. You are assuming he can't prosper in the NFL based off former player(s). Not fair. Until a guys fails you can not label him a failure.


Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel Yeah, the UDFA that no one wanted is just sprouting into a force to be reckoned with in the NFL. Get a grip, Simms is terrible, the idea that he's not is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I bring up Ratliff. They're almost identical players: big-armed, inaccurate UDFA QB's form middling college programs who Jet fans had an irrational love for because they're not the starter. That's literally it. They're not starting, so they must be better!


The go to Rex defense when you lob your bland, general "he should know more offense!" critique. 

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 Simms sucks, all those first team reps and in game snaps really gave you time to eval.... but Geno manages to tie his own shoe strings towards the end of the season and he's somehow something better?  stop. 


As for the Sanchez extension, a real HC vetoes that because... well... he's communicated with GM that the freaking QB is horrible and I can't win with him... but I know "would Tomlin have done it"  (the go to Rex defense )




Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel @Brendan "Let" the Sanchez extension fly? Come onnnn, dude, you know that was Tanny's band-aid for Mark's hurt feelings after they chased PeyPey. That is on Tanny, and is probably one of the chief reasons he was fired. 


And there were deeper issues, and the GM was fired because of it, but in a rebuilding effort yanking Geno for an extended period would do...what? I know you're on the Simms hype train, hell you might even be the conductor, but Simms sucks. You cannot look at him and act like he's a viable starting option. 


The team threw Geno to the wolves during a year they had written off before the season even started, which is something a lot of teams do. Moving forward they seem intent on rectifying their QB depth chart, but acting like Rex is blindly loyal because he doesn't start the horrendous backups over the bad starters is just silly. 

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan


Benched Geno for a half ? And let the Sanchez extension fly ? we could play this game all day. My point is still the same...nothing wrong with calling for change when a player stinks.


If the alternative stinks,then we have deeper issues. like the GM, scouting, coaching staff.




Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel What you and countless others simply refuse to acknowledge, is that Rex stuck with the guys he stuck with because the alternatives were just as terrible, if not more


Big Mac? Simms? Tebow? Come on, none of those guys were/are good. 


You're acting like Rex ignored a stud QB in favor of trotting the craptastic Sanchez or rookie Geno out there. The options weren't better. And let's also talk about how by speaking this way you're ignoring the fact that Rex did in fact bench both Sanchez and Geno. But sure, blind loyalty blahblahblah. 

Marvel
Marvel

  @Brendan

 you cant be serious..who cares about greg. point is ,if a guy sucks (Sanchez, Geno), you call for change, during the season its the backup, off-season, its the draft or FA.


That Ratliff line is tired. If a guy stinks, you call for change. simple.


Brendan
Brendan

@djf1 Big Mac isn't good, either. It would've probably been very similar.