Buzz: Jets ironing out deal with Howard, meeting with Pace’s agent?

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Friend of the blog Tony Pauline had some interesting Jets news to post on Walter Football that he learned at the Combine regarding the Jets, here’s some of the juicier bits:

RT Austin Howard and Jets working on contract [Walter Football]
The Jets met with Howard’s representatives in Indy and according to Pauline, the deal could look a lot like Phil Loadholt’s deal from a year ago with the Vikings.   Loadholt receved a deal that guaranteed $7 million on the front end and then had a backloaded salary structure (working up from $2.9 million to 5.4 million) over the course of the deal.  If this is the move the Jets make, then this is a solid contract for the Jets which allows them to start seeing even marginal cap savings in the second year if they want to walk away, or make other moves that would allow them to keep Howard as a starter (on the interior) while upgrading the tackle spot through the draft in future years.

OLB Calvin Pace’s agents met with Jets [Walter Football]
It’s hard to say where this will go.  Pace is coming off a 10 sack season and has expressed his desire to come back, but is he interested in coming back at the cost of testing free agency to see if there is more money out there for him?  There is a lot of built up good will between both sides so don’t be surprised both agree to test free agency before coming to a contract.

 




199 comments
D
D

Finally a GM keeping "core" players

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

So here's a fun exercise: What's something that Mike Evans is WORSE at than Alshon Jeffery?


I don't think I can come up with anything... And /that's/ why I'm excited about the guy.

Marvel
Marvel

So are we gonna sign Taylor Mays?  it's long overdue..

Pat d
Pat d

I hate to break it to you, but 57 and Brendan you are more alike than you may want to admit.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

Nate Washington expected to be a probable  cap casualty is owed 4.8 m. wouldn't be a bad pick up if released.

Pat d
Pat d

Off target. The Jets need to move up and get Evans

levi
levi

@Marvel  haha you put a lot of work into the Mays hype train.

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

I agree Pat......brendan just rebels against it and that is why he is so judgmental towards me.....
in another 30 years he may know what I've forgotten about football...:)

Pat d
Pat d

Nate Wahington would be a good addition. Evans would be a great addition

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65  I just went to his player page expecting to hate his statlines, but the past three years he hasn't been too bad. If he's out there, I wouldn't be against giving the tires a few kicks. 

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@Pat d  His arms are immense. I think he'll be the best of the class and would gladly move up to get him (and would rather have him than Sammy as well).

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

they don't *need* to make a move.  even if they're considering it, have ti see how the top of the draft shakes out first.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  I just talked this out with a Bears fan who is very knowledgeable (he'd fit in great here with his draft knowledge). 


He loved the idea of swapping 1st rounders and picking up the Tampa Bay 3rd as compensation. 


Jets get: 

14th pick


Bears get: 

18th pick

69th pick


Jets take Mike Evans. Bears take Aaron Donald. Everyone goes home happy. 

Marvel
Marvel

@levi

 lol, that draft thread was so much fun.. who did we take??  wilkshake?

gbrownn
gbrownn

@a57se @Marvel wait, seriously?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Pat d 

A) I don't think Evans gets to 14.

B) The Cowboys might take DOnald as they need DT's too.

I don't think the Bears would do that unless there were a enough guys they would be happy with so that at least one of them would be at 18.

D'Apostraphe Lewis
D'Apostraphe Lewis

@Brendan @Pat d  Don't know that Evans gets to 14th, in which case i think it would be a total waste. His stock has only climbed since the combine. 


I bet he goes either 9 or 10 to the Bills or Lions.

Pat d
Pat d

I know I would be happy

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong @Pat d 

Not unless they can do it with 5th round picks or lower.....this class is too deep to give away picks for one guy.

Marvel
Marvel

@a57se

 if Geno actually throws the ba.... nope no slander


just gonna cross my fingers



Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No, you're only focusing on time to throw, which certainly comes into play when PFF grades out the OL's. 


So, you're essentially ignoring everything except time to throw. 


But yes, keep defending your incorrect opinion. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I respect PFF grades but you are ignoring the time to throw that he had...the Shehawks were doing something right in pass pro whether their individual linemen grade out well or not.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So two of the most respected statistic websites for the NFL on the internet basically agree that the Seahawks weren't good at pass blocking (which would make sense, since Okung was out for much of the season), but you just dismiss it to stay with your opinion. 


Got it. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan  

I don't think much of Football Outsiders' but Wilson had the longest time to throw in 2012 and I would imagine he was pretty close to the top in 2013 as well.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Football Outsiders ranked them 32nd and PFF ranked them 25th. 


It's a regular brick wall out in front of Russ. 


(rankings are pass blocking, only)

a57se
a57se

@Marvel @a57se 

Me? I had no clue what to think of him. 

I am still not sold on the guy. He gets pretty darn good protection and isn't really called upon to carry that team offensively. You can't argue with his stats though and he does protect the ball real well.


Marvel
Marvel

@a57se

 random but how did you rate Russell Wilson?  just curious

a57se
a57se

@Marvel @levi 

I liked Mays as well marvel......i didn't like Wilson too much!

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 ahhh.. I remember now. tkb as a whole  wasn't too thrilled with that one lol 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel That was the Kyle Wilson draft, which iirc made your reaction all the much better (taking a DB, but the wrong one). 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel That wasn't a particularly stacked draft, but people always overrate potential talent when compared to past drafts.

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan @Marvel

wow.. just realized the draft talent is so much better now.. 

 or does it just seem that way?

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel Hahaha MY BOY!


You're right, that was a fun draft. 

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 sign him and Hughes (it was Hughes right?? )


we'd be unstoppable


gbrownn
gbrownn

@Brendan @gbrownnLol gotcha. He's so bad, but he's such a freaking athlete. I was almost a little excited haha.

Brendan
Brendan

@gbrownn  Ha. No. We all have those guys during the pre-draft process we fall in love with. Marvel fell in love with Taylor Mays (and to be honest, so did I a little bit). This is him just poking fun at himself about it. 




Or maybe he's 100% serious, you never know with Marvel. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong And if you open it up to other positions (Mosley, Ha Ha), you have a bigger pot of players the Bears could be interested in. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong The phrasing was "Donald or Jernigan" when I was discussing it. Basically, the guy's logic was as long as one of those are left, they'd be happy to pick up the extra 3rd. 

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I noticed ASJ dropped 20 pounds for the combine........trying to improve that 40 time.

Did he think NFL teams wouldn't notice?

harold
harold

I would be okay with Beckham or Cooks

I would rather trade up for Jenkins, best ball skills of any TE

I like the other picks except Chris Davis, dont know if he can transition to be a quality NFL player

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's a question. Why is Bill Parcells' drafting style relevant?

harold
harold

I did not illustrate the entire scenario. Remember I am talking combining these picks with bounty from a trade back.

If we get a 3rd and 4th for trading with the Panthers.

We could use a 4th rounder with the 69th to move up well into the 2nd round.

With the other 3rd we acquire combined with our third to get a high 2nd rounder as well or even throw in a 5th to move up to make it a first.

We still have our 2nd

So we would have a 1st, and 3 2nd or possibly a late 1st instead of one of the 2nd if we want.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Yeah.....not sure Idzik likes that type of strategy.....

Harold, if I knew we could come away with the following, I would not trade anything:


Round 1. Beckham Jr. WR LSU

Round 2. Troy Niklas TE ND

Round 3. Bishop Sankey RB Wash.

Round 3. Donte Moncrief WR Ole Miss

Round 4. Demarcus Lawrence DE/OLB Boise St.

Round 4S. Chris Davis CB Auburn

Round 5. Lamin Barrow ILB LSU

Round 6. Walt Aiken CB Liberty

Round 6S. Jalen Saunders OW Oklahoma

Round 7. Pat O'Donnel P Miami

Round 7S. Jeff Matthews QB Cornell

harold
harold

We can easily move into 2nd with just a 4th rounder combining that with the 69th pick. Or near top of third with the 80th and a 4th. Definitely some good options.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Parcells? Why is he relevant? 



And I know Donald will go in the 1st, it's only a question of where. 

a57se
a57se

@harold  

the guy is short and has short arms....some teams will knock him down for that regardless of his tape or combine numbers. he is NOT your prototype. parcells was a big prototype drafter and there are others.

I don't know where he will go but his success in the NFL is still up in the air.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  The 80th pick isn't moving you up in the 1st or back into the 1st from your 2nd rounder, though. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I can tell you're getting all rageface over there. Your typos have gone up about 50% in the past 10 minutes. 


Great, 57, you were saying Moore is garbage pre-draft a year after you were talking up Stephen Hill as the next Demaryius Thomas. Put a gold star on your board at home for a job well done. 

harold
harold

It actually is not valid because Donald production has withstood scrutiny, combine interviews, tape. Moore did not hold up well. Many folks were already downgrading him prior to combine and he completely bombed and sealed his fate

a57se
a57se

@harold  

That is more inline with what I think Harold. The value in this draft is the first four rounds. you can really clean up there. we have 5 picks that could yield 5 quality starters. We're gonna have at least a 4-5th round choice and a couple late ones from comp picks that we can't trade so we might as well use the ones we can trade if their is a player we really like a few spots ahead.

harold
harold

I would only consider trading up by giving up the 80th pick.

I think with this being a deep draft I think the value is in trading up in the 2nd or third round using 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders as pawns to grab a highly rated player who has slid a little. I think you could have a heck of a draft that way. That why I want trade back and then use the acquired picks to trade up and end up with a 1st and 3 2nd rounders or 2 late 1st and 2 2nd rounders.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Uh, no it's not. Harold directly undermined your point, which usually means it's not a valid point. 


Moore was a top-10 pick pre-combine. Then he tested like garbage, and had a freefall. 

a57se
a57se

@harold  

it took some time but he did start his fall after the combine. The point is still valid harold.

harold
harold

Actually he wasnt because after the combine and his interviews he was a late 2nd early third round pick.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

and at this time last year Damontre Moore was a top ten talent and Geno was going to be the first QB taken in the first round......

BFD!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's not just my opinion that Donald is a top-half talent in the first round anymore. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Again, that is your opinion, not everyone agrees with your opinion and the only one that matters to the Bears is Phil Emery........


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


"pretty good prospects" are not Aaron Donald, who in all likelihood is going to become a wrecking ball with arms at the NFL level. That guy looks tremendous, and NFL teams probably feel the same. Would you rather have Sheldon Richardson? Or Kawaan Short? 


Guys are top-15 first round talents for a reason. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  


So you'd prefer Haha or Mosley over Jernigan/Donald plus the player taken 69th overall in the draft? 



That's....interesting. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

OK, Bears Hat is on. Bears need the following on Defense:

A DT, S and MLB.........

There are 8 to 11 DT's graded as 3rd round or better in this draft.

There are 5 safeties rated as 3rd round or better

There are MAYBE 4 ILB rated 3rd round or higher.

My priority at 14 would be as follows if I am picking Defense.

1. CJ Mosley ILB

2. Ha-ha S


I want one of these guys. I can get a good DT in the 2nd or 3rd round but I don't know that Mosley will get past Balt. or Haha will get past Dallas.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You don't answer questions directly. 



Put on your Bears hat. Is there any reason the team doesn't do that trade? If so, explain. 


I realize you wouldn't do it because you decided 3 months ago you didn't like Evans, so I won't ask you to weigh in on that, even though it's really confusing why you think guys have to "fit" into Marty's offense. He proved last year that he can make his offense work with differing personnel. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Uh, no.....it doesn't seem likely to me, that's all.

notice I am not calling you foolish for discussing this even though I don't think the scenario you described has a chance of playing out???

I don't have any problem with it...i just stated my opinion.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


So your answer is "no, because I think it will happen." Great. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

A takes priority over B so I don't think the possibility of getting Evans will arise, I also don't think Evans will be that high on the Jets list, which I didn't say before. I don't think he is a good fit for MM's offense.

the Bears might or might not take that risk.......I don't know for sure.

Pat d
Pat d

Lee at 18 would be good but getting Evans would be great

Pat d
Pat d

I think the Bears would do that but I think Evans will be gone by 14. If Evans is there at 9 or 10 I want the Jets to get Evans

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You don't think the Bears, who have holes everywhere, would slide back 4 picks where they will likely land either Jernigan or Donald while picking up an early 3rd rounder? That's something you seriously think they wouldn't want to do? 

D'Apostraphe Lewis
D'Apostraphe Lewis

@Brendan @D'Apostraphe Lewis  I realized my comment was dumb after posting. Of course, if Evans isn't there at #14 they wouldn't trade up in this scenario.


Now here's another scenario. Say both Beckham JR and Brandin Cooks are on the board, along with one of the best defensive prospects at #18 (I picture Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Dennard, or Gilbert). We could play the needs of the Packers, Eagles, and Chargers against one another and trade back.


If we could still get Cooks or ODB and trade back with one of these teams, that would be a great move IMO.

Pat d
Pat d

The combine has nothing to do with where Evans goes

Brendan
Brendan

@D'Apostraphe Lewis I just threw Evans in there because that's who I want. If he's not there, I agree it's not worth it. 


I could just as easily see the Billdos taking Ebron and the Lions picking defense since their defense is a horror show besides the DL. 


Obviously things would need to shake out a certain way, but it's fun to consider. 

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

Pat, I don't think Evans fits MM's offense. I think the Jets will draft based on  best fits with the best talent. That would be Lee or Beckham in my mind.

I could see Detroit taking Evans, Buffalo, Tennessee......heck, even the Giants could be in the mix......

Pat d
Pat d

I think the over whelming concensus is that Evans is the second best WR in the draft. And 57 you realize this since you know he most likely won't go much past #10.

Pat d
Pat d

If Evans isn't better than the other WRs in this draft with the exception of Watkins then why do you think he won't be there at 14. There is a reason he won't be there and all the others will.

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

PUH-LEESE!

Evans can't separate off the LOS and good corners CAN shut him down.....just being tall is not good enough in the NFL like it is in college.


Pat d
Pat d

It may be deep but other than Watkins the other WRs are not in his class