Buzz: Jets to revert to ground and pound all over again?

Earlier in the week, DraftInsider’s Tony Pauline was on the podcast and we talked a little about the Jets plans for free agency and any rumblings he might have been hearing.  While he was a little hesitant to tip off too much, here’s something Tony wrote since we spoke on the podcast about the Jets and a rumored return to a ground and pound for 2014 that could have lasting effects for the team and Rex Ryan.

The New York Jets are returning to a more run oriented offense in 2014 in an attempt to exploit their strengths and lessen the load on Geno Smith. I’m told the game plan is to try and keep Smith under 20 passes per game. Part of the plan is to keep continuity on the offensive line, which is why they’ve made resigning right tackle Austin Howard a priority. At the same time I’m told the team views re-signing veteran guard Willie Colon as a last resort and will look to sign a player at the position via free agency. Names that make the most sense include Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos and Geoff Schwartz of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

I really liked Colon, but understand the Jets might be looking to move on.  This news also jives with what Rich Cimini shared on Twitter this morning.  As far as the bigger picture, if the Jets aren’t going to go out and get Mike Vick, I understand why after an inconsistent season of quarterback play that Rex Ryan would be hesitant to put his future in the hands of an unstable starting quarterback … Geno Smith or otherwise.

What ever happened to Rex and his love of the pistol?  Uh oh …

There’s a lot of free agency and the draft to play out, but if this report is true, we have to wonder if Rex is bunkering back into his old ball control ways … 

 




72 comments
Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

Brian, i think your take on this is spot on. A team like Seattle could afford to operate it offense in a ground & pound mode because it's QB was very accurate on third downs and could also make plays with his legs. Geno has shown similar ability to actually take off and run, but his accuracy and decision making are not on par with a Russell Wilson. I can understand Rex's thinking in trying to limit Geno's mistakes, but as has been pointed out here on numerous occasions, today's NFL is a passing league and I don't think we can stick our heads in the sand like an ostrich and pretend that not the case. Obviously against some opponents it may prove advantageous to limit his throws but to openly declare it a staple of our offense is just plain stupid! 

ganggrncap
ganggrncap

I absolutely despise da good old ground n pound.

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

At this point, they may be prepared to ground and pound, but if Geno Smith plays lights out, that's gonna go out the window. I think the plan is based on the current evaluation of their talent. 

Bent
Bent moderator

Yeah, right.  


Like the Jets would ever enter a season with an actual plan for their offense.

bob
bob

Nobody really knows how the jets are grading players on their board.. Maybe Zack Thomas tackle/guard out of Notre Dame could be at the top of the Jets grade list...dats right..

bob
bob

No to Vick!  give Geno a puppy

bob
bob

I was reading that if the Jets could get Geoff Schwatz that he would be a upgrade over Colon.


I also was wondering who the heck names his kid Geoff?

realjetfan
realjetfan

Again with the "ground-and-pound" jargon? The Jets are going to throw it like the rest of the league. The Jets are going to run it like the rest of the league. Let it go already... I've been seeing this headline every year since 2011.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

The New York Jets are returning to a more run oriented offense in 2014 in an attempt to exploit their strengths and lessen the load on Geno Smith. I’m told the game plan is to try and keep Smith under 20 passes per game."


Let's see...Idzik has buttoned up all the leaks...we don't know who they are looking to draft, what FAs they are going after...we aren't even sure who the QB is. But,

Draftinsider says that "I'm told" that the Jets are going back to a more run oriented offense.


PLEASE!!!

SackDance99
SackDance99

If this is the case, then why is MM the coordinator?  The WCO can feature the run, like it does in Seattle, but it's a pass first offense meant to spread the field horizontally.  MM's version also stretches the field vertically with deep passes, which was Holmgren's variation with the strong-armed Favre.  Under 20 passes doesn't establish the pass at all and just means more 8-men in the box defenses, like we've seen every season since Chad's arm went in 2004 (with the exception of the Favre year in 2008).  Even in the Super Bowl, Wilson passed (25 times) more than the RBs ran (24 times) and the damage was through the air...Lynch only gained 39 yards on 15 carries.  I hope this is just a smokescreen because it's the worst rumor I've heard all off season.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

For the reasons cited in the article, the Jets have very little choice given the QB situation. Limit QB plays like they did down in the last few games and go G&P. At least they know it.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

call it whatever just as long as we score and more 

Zartan
Zartan

Not likely, Rex said he made a mistake holding Geno and MM back. Why would he make a 180?

bradysucks
bradysucks

Translation for ground & pound in the NFL urban dictionary -

Our QB is a turnover machine and the more we run it the better the chance we have as a football team of NOT giving our opponents extra possessions.

For further information see Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith or google boneheaded QB's who can't read a defense

bklyndude
bklyndude

The Jets in  2013 rushed  493  and passed  480

The Jets in  2012 rushed  494  and passed  493

a57se
a57se

I hope this is just a smokescreen or something.......if it is true, it is very depressing to me as this means we still don't have a QB and MM is wasted as a O'Coordinator here.

juunit
juunit

This would lend even more credence to the idea that we're looking at Tajh Boyd seriously. He ran lots of designed QB runs at Clemson.

williamg1
williamg1

Tony Pauline did the impossible: he's now more hated than Corey. 

jdawggg
jdawggg

I don't trust too much Pauline says, but it makes sense for Jets to do what he's saying they will do.  Even if they turn to ground and pound again, they need better pass catchers.  And even if they will be more of a passing offense, they should upgrade at least one spot on the OL.

Peter Whelan
Peter Whelan

@Jeff E. Guy Now that MM is the OC I have to agree with you. He will try to get the most out of whatever talent he has. I cannot see Rex telling Marty to keep Geno under 20 passes per, if he's playing reasonably well. Marty has enough time and success in this league to carry a lot of weight in terms of how the offense will be run 

Bent
Bent moderator

@bob  Zack Thomas?  You must mean Zack Martin...unless you're advocating the Jets drafting a 40-year old former Miami Dolphins linebacker.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@bob Americans who wish they were British. 

 Remember when Geoff Tate was good?  He's gone to complete sh#te now.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@1969JAN12th  


The formula for winning with Mark Sanchez is not allowing him to throw more than 20 passes a game because he is such a terrible QB.......If the Jets feel the same formula for winning needs to be put in place with Geno then they should draft a QB in round 1 or sign a veteran QB and give him the chance to win the job......



If you have to limit a QB's throws to win with that QB then you don't have a QB.....You have a back up QB

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99  

We agree again SD!

I think we agree on more than we disagree on......

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

If we add playmakers and upgrade both guard positions then we can effectively run the ball. As for opposing defenses stacking the box, we can use play action, reverses (Beckham/cooks) wildcat and the read option to mix it up.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn  That is the opposite of what they did the final month of the season. Limiting plays that put the ball in Geno's hands is what led to the slump in the middle of the year. 

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

Jackson only coaches teams with HOF players that can definitely win multiple Championships when he walks in the door......

the knicks don't qualify.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  Holy crap we agree whole-heartedly on something, Hanker. Screw Dolan. 

gbrownn
gbrownn

I think you can still run the ball and have a creative passing attack.

jdb4
jdb4

@jdawggg He was adamant the Jets were drafting Jonathan Cooper last year... so yup

bob
bob

@Bent @bob


Yep oops that right Bent nice work. I mean Zack Martin..My favorite Martin..Dats right.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@bradysucks  I actually agree, but I am starting off with the premise that Geno Smith is not a terrible QB. Sure, he had some terrible games last season...but finished strong. Also, since seasons end we have heard from knowledgeable football people (like Phil Simms) that Geno Smith can be our QB of the future (I really believe that).

It is very tough to win in the NFL, and our rookie QB with very weak weapons was responsible for winning 8 games (yes, and 8 losses) last year.

I think the Jet brass feel that Geno can be the QB of our future, but it is always wise to cover your bets, in case circumstances don't work out for Geno. 

I just don't believe that Draftinsider or Cimini was told by someone in the Jet organization that our philosophy going forward is "ground and pound"....

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Kyle Suta That's just not the WCO.  Only the worst defenses against the run cannot game plan to stop the run, especially in the playoffs.  What your proposing is the 2009/2010 Jets offense and let's not forget, the Jets didn't win the division and lost in the AFC Championship game when, if the Jets had just had a competent passing offense, we'd have 1 or 2 Lombardi Trophies.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@Brendan @frustjetfnCouldn't disagree more. I'll go with what Rex and MM and all the broadcasters said at the time. They limited the game plan to avoid mistakes and didn't ask much from the QB position.

If what you remember is true then the GM, Rex and MM would be insane to go G&P now knowing they wouldn't win that way. - I'll stick with Jets management on this one.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@SackDance99 @Kyle Suta  


Good point about Morninweg.......and you have to be able to pass it in today's NFL.


Bottom line though is Sanchez and Geno are turnover machines and the Jets might not be able to utilize Morninweg's system effectively unless Geno makes a big improvement. I was high on Geno and liked the draft pick but he embarassed himself and was as bad as I've ever seen for long stretches during the 2013 season. He was basically unwatchable. Of course he was a rookie and all of us understand what that means as far as there being some growing pains.....


Still the Jets really don't know whether or not he is going to be improved in 2014.......It could go either way which is why it would make sense that they would want to be able to run the football in the event Geno isn't an effective NFL starting QB. The guy has to limit turnovers and nobody knows if he is capable of doing this over the course of an entire season...

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Hanknaples  You referred to Geno Smith as "not a quarterback" a number of times; FYI....the Jets depth chart has Geno Smith listed as a QB. You must have not noticed.