Buzz: OLB Brian Orakpo to hit the open market?

Having reported earlier that it’s being reported that Bills safety Jairus Byrd is going to hit the open market, it looks like another top defensive free agent could be joining him. Jason La Canfora from CBS Sports reports:

[Washington] are unlikely to tag Brian Orakpo, according to league sources.

The 27-year old former first round pick is regarded by most experts as the top unrestricted free agent pass rusher. Other than in 2012, when his season was cut short by a torn pectoral muscle, Orakpo’s pass rushing numbers have been extremely consistent with at least eight sacks in each of his other four seasons and 38.5 in total over those four years. He had 10 sacks and his first career touchdown in 2013. He’s not bad against the run, either.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

I outlined my thoughts on which needs I’d like to see the Jets allocate their resources to in the offseason in the Jairus Byrd post earlier. Pass rusher was not one of them. However, if the Jets were going to make a big money move in free agency, I’d be more on board with upgrading the pass rush rather than the free safety position. Orakpo would definitely be an immediate upgrade over Calvin Pace, not just in 2014 but also over the next five years or so.

If Byrd is going to command close to $10m, you can expect Orakpo to command at least a few million more than him. I’m not sure the Jets will target Orakpo, who could still get an extension from Washington although La Canfora has described the sides as “not close”. However, if the Jets did manage to land Orakpo, that would give them a front seven that would terrify offenses.

Let us know if you agree or disagree in the comments!




136 comments
Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Theres a guy named Antwan Barnes and he absolutely was a beast before getting injured and he did it without Coples on the other side. Barnes and Coples should have 25 to  30 sacks this season. Pace should be playing his normal edge setting run defense position if he cant agree with Idzik then kick rocks and see you later Garrett Macintyre can handle the job. It gets me mad when Coples gets no do.But back to arakapo, NOOOO DEFENSE if they were off the field more of the time they would of played bettter and wktn about 50  n 12 picks if we cant get our play makers ill be stunned. Ebron @ 18, 2 picks to get us to benjamin. Pick up Mccluster and we can use him all over. pick Skov MLB from Wisconsin who is freaklishly compared to david harris and we can save even more money. We need CRO N COLON AS OUR VET LEADERS AFTER THAT WERE TO GO BABY.. n MAYBE ANOTHER VET RECEIVER AND A VET GUARD TO PLAY OPPOSITE COLON N GIVE WINTERS TIME TO DEVELOPE. We always play with these type of safeties. We need corners and to n to be deep @ cb

whitefish
whitefish

Sign Maclin and draft ebron sign Byrd keep Howard and colon draft olb in second round RB third round with the rest of the 12 picks take two oL a safety CB a WR /kr maybe we get lucky .we are set up nicely here a lot of picks deep draft and money to spend in free agent big off season for this team we are close to being a real contender . J E T S

whitefish
whitefish

I say sign Byrd we have a big need for a ball hawk and he is that and more we can sign pace for a lot less money then orakpo and lets not forget he had 10 sacks .

Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos
Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos

I've been saying to sign orakpo since the season ended. Resign reed & extend mo! attack the offense with the draft sign Howard & colon.

jetsfn
jetsfn

i say sign both of them , resign ed reed and draft a safety along with what you already have  and if possible speak with Revis people if he wants to come back, then draft for all your other potions and let the team go at the NFL.... 

nickballs
nickballs

how you guys feel about Nicks.....?   had an ugly season but think the guy can be a stud....rather him than paying for Decker or even James JOnes scares me

jimjets
jimjets

If it comes down down to Byrd or orapko take orapko. Then kill Brady. Safeties would just have to help in run support and play center field

nickballs
nickballs

would LOVE to get Orakpo....and would definately spend $$$ on him over Byrd ...even though Byrd one of my most coveted.....go get Orakpo, roll with Landry, Allen, Bush,  maybe keep Reed......then add a WR in free agency and draft one in first......this defense has the potential to be NASTy but it needs some pressure off the edge...Barnes provided that early but his healthy worries me and not an every down player.....snacks, wilk, rich, coples, davis, ellis, harris, ORAKPO...love it...lets rolll

bradysucks
bradysucks

Re-sign Ed Reed and draft a safety


Draft a pass rushing  LB in round 1 or 2


Add a top receiver in free agency and draft another in round 1 or 2


Sign a quality free agent TE

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

Cut Cromartie, Holmes, Sanchez- should give the Jets about 50 mil to spend

OLB- Orakpo: 12-14mil

WR- Tate: 7-8mil

OT- Howard: 5-7mil 

CB- Sam Shields: 6-8mil

G- One of the KC Guards- 4mil

WR- James Jones- 4mil

This would be a solid Free Agency with a range of 38-45 Million Spent
 


D
D

@nickballs i like nicks as an option, he didnt help himself much by his lackluster season, either he was legitimately hurt or doesnt it seem like he wants out from the Giants?

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  Draft a safety?  The Jets already have four promising safeties who are all 24 or 25 and under contract next year.


I quite like your plan otherwise!

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

@Brad Jerris Take away Tate because if they sign Jones they could just draft a receiver. I'm also not quite sure what the market will be but the numbers sounds high for Shields but I could be wrong

nickballs
nickballs

@Daniel @nickballs  yeah i hear ya......part of me thinks he wanted out of the Gmen....and has something to prove...scary to give him big $$$ though

harold
harold

@Daniel @nickballs


Love Nicks think he is one of the most underrated WR's in F/A.  Would love him for the Jets

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Daniel @nickballs   

I would like the Jets to add a big body target like Mike Evans.  But that seems unlikely after his great combine will push him towards the top ten.  

More likely to add a smaller WR like Lee or Beckham.   If that happens,  I would like Nicks,  who could be had for a more reasonable deal after last season, assuming his medical checks out.  Add a TE in the second round like Troy Niklas or ASJ,  and our offense would be much improved.

jdb4
jdb4

@Bent @bradysucks 

I'm sure Bent you would agree that most safeties take a few years to develop.  It's rare that one can come in an contribute right away.  The belief, incorrect as it is, is that safety is about athleticism, when in reality it is about technique and instincts. 


If we are one defensive backs I'm lobbying for Phillip Gaines DB from Rice.  Yes, he caught my attention at the combine but after watching the film this kid can play press corner.

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Omari Brown @Brad Jerris 

Just a rough game plan, but I believe my numbers will be pretty accurate. Shields is a young CB with good stats, one concern is he has had some minor injuries over the years. Verner is nice, but this was his first year putting up good numbers.

I want Tate, Jones and either Ebron, Cooks or Beckham in the 1st round.


And depending on how the numbers work out, how they Structure things, you can make a case that their could be enough money to sign Byrd too.

harold
harold

Shields should get about 7 million or so APY, very solid last three seasons

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@bradysucks @Brad Jerris 

Totally disagree! At this stage even if Cro is Healthy, I would much rather have Shields. Cro is a suspect tackler, and gets beat all the time, even before his injury. Cro was not great opposite Revis, he constantly got beat. But when Revis went down and Cro became the #1 corner, teams decide to pick on the opposite corner from Cro.  And can we count on a Healthy Cro!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold @bklyndude  

Stress fracture in his left foot might push him into second round.  He is not expected to run at his Pro Day on April 2nd.  Troy Niklas from Notre Dame would also be a good choice at 49.

harold
harold

@bklyndude


Unless ASJ runs a 4.9 he won't be there at 49 in the second.  He is projected from the 20's to 30's in most mock drafts.

jdb4
jdb4

@Bent @jdb4 

True, but I would argue that Herm's Tampa 2 was a lot simpler conceptually than Rex's "organized chaos" defense.

I would expect to see Allen really shine this season. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jdb4 

"I'm sure Bent you would agree that most safeties take a few years to develop.  It's rare that one can come in an contribute right away."  

I do agree...although the Jets were lucky enough to have two rookies step in and be pretty productive starters right off the bat in recent times.  (Eric Coleman and Kerry Rhodes).

That's going back almost 10 years though...maybe not so recent after all.

jdb4
jdb4

@Bent @jdb4@bradysucks 

Draft breakdown has two videos of his, against Marshall and LA Tech. He looked really good.  I'd post them but they automatically get a pending tag here.

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

@Brad Jerris @Omari Brown I agree with everything except Tate because I feel that hes reached his potential. Beckham Lee or Cooks in the first would be great. A wr crew of Kerley Jones rookie receiver and Nelson wouldnt be bad.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brad Jerris @Omari Brown  On the whole, the plan isn't too badly structured.  Nice job Brad.  Always wise to build in a little wiggle room here and there.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I'm not so sure durability should be a "Pro" for Shields, either. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@hazard2012 @bradysucks @Brad Jerris  


Cro at the right price is a bargain......We don't know Cro's market value yet and what he will ask for from the Jets.......


If Cro is a few million cheaper than Shields I'd definitely re-sign Cro and draft another CB for depth (we have 2 3rd round picks)

harold
harold

As much as the NFL hates to admit it.  These front office guys get caught up in hype.  They overpay for name players time and time again.

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  It seems illogical that someone who is a minor downgrade from Revis (and doesn't share his injury issues) would get less than half what he does.


I know, that's the market, just gets me every time.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@bradysucks @Brad Jerris  


Always thought Cro was at his best when he had Revis to compete against...even when Revis got hurt.   Cro and Rex both fed the delusion to maximize performance, but truth is Cro's always avoided contact and often gives receivers too much cushion off the line.   Davis, Verner, and Shields, among others, would all be upgrades over Cro at this stage of his career.    

harold
harold

But CB has been de-valued and he will probably get 7-8 million APY because of it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brad Jerris @Bent @harold  Good player, yeah...


Haven't scouted him properly in terms of if he's a good fit for the Jets' scheme, but he doesn't just play one side, which gives him a plus over Alterraun Verner.


I'm not saying he WILL get 8m or more, just that if people view him as better than Cro (who signed for 8m per year in 2010) then that's going to be his value.

harold
harold

You underestimate how good Shields was in 2012.  I think that is the only fallacy in this argument.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brad Jerris @bradysucks @harold  


I got nothing against Shields......I just think you discount how great Cromartie was in 2012 which wasn't that long ago......Randy Moss had a bad season or two in Oakland and then bounced back STRONG in New England.......and nobody saw it coming,,,,,,


Don't underestimate Cromartie who has had many more good seasons than bad ones in the NFL

harold
harold

I think because he doesn't have the hardware (All Pro) and CB has been de-valued slightly.

I think he will fall between 7 and 8 million.

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Bent @harold 

So bent your agreeing he is a top rated Corner if you think he will get 8mil or more

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Add to that that Shields is several years younger and he doesn't have a hip problem that might cut short his career......no brainer.

harold
harold

They don't want to franchise him.  He is one of their top F/A priorities.  Not sure what you are talking about.

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  If that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't) then you're looking at the high end of that 6-8m range and maybe even a little more.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@harold  


and yet Green Bay doesn't think Shields is worth the money......hmmmm


Cro will come at a discount and can still play

harold
harold

I did and Shields was better than him in 2012.  He was rated higher by PFF and the personal eye test.

Also I like Cro but he is not better than Shields

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brad Jerris @bradysucks  


You guys obviously didn't watch Cro in 2012 when he was one of the best DB's in the entire NFL.....He was hurt in 2013....when healthy he is very good

harold
harold

You are right on this Brad.  It is not even close.  Shields has better short area quickness, better speed and better ball skills than Cro.  Not sure where Cro is better

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @harold  


"Has the front office made a determination on Cro yet,  or are they going to let him test the FA market ?"


I'm sure they've spoken to his reps, but it will probably be similar to 2011, when they let him hit the market but he ended up re-signing after they missed out on their first choice (Aso).

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @harold  


"Bent could probably post his grades by season, I am sure it would be brought to light."


No need for grades, it's pretty well established that Cro has been:


2006 - Rookie

2007 - Great

2008 - Awful (scheme change)

2009 - Okay

2010 - Good (first year with Jets)

2011 - Good

2012 - Great

2013 - Awful (injured)

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold @bklyndude   I was thinking the Jets might have some additional insight regarding his health before that cut is made.  Any type of talks with Cro's people or are they simply prepared to see what the market dictates.

harold
harold

@bklyndude


The only determination seems to be they will cut him let him test the market and if the contract for him is not prohibitive and we have not gotten someone else we may re-sign him.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @Brad Jerris   

Has the front office made a determination on Cro yet,  or are they going to let him test the FA market ? This seems to be the decision that will dictate how we attack Free Agency.

harold
harold

@nickballs @Brad Jerris@Brendan@harold


Nonsense, are you serious?


The only nonsense was Cro's bottom five CB play last year.


For all of Cro's natural ability he has been an inconsistent player throughout his career. 


He has been great, good, average, below average and terrible for entire seasons in his career.


Bent could probably post his grades by season, I am sure it would be brought to light.


To re-invest in him is a gamble we should not take.  Nonsense your post may qualify.

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


I think Shields is better because he get his hands on more balls per play.  The plays you make when the rock is in the air.  The better you are in most cases. 


I find it hard to rate him above Shields when he has better skills breaking on the ball and playing the ball in the air.

nickballs
nickballs

@Brad Jerris @Brendan @harold  ill keeep Cro over all them guys you mentioned..Tillman, Shields especially.....gimme Cro and just rework his contract.....stop with the other nonsense

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brad Jerris Yes...and rightfully so, but he was hurt all year.  Which brings us right back to the question of whether he'll ever be back to 100%.

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Brendan @Brad Jerris 

Agree. Cant wait for FA to begin! We got money to spend and plenty of guys out there that can make the Jets a better team.

Brendan
Brendan

@Brad Jerris Well, while both guys are coming off an injury, Cro didn't actually miss any games. The only game he's missed since joining the Jets was the final game in 2010 when the team was resting some starters and gave Cro the game off. 


I think if the team doesn't want to Cro back, the reasons will be similar to reasons why they wouldn't bring in TIllman. Age and injury/durability concerns are similar for both guys, imo. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Cro had a higher coverage grade, and he only rated lower (by 0.3, mind you) because he had one more penalty than Shields (6 vs. 5). I think the claim that healthy Cromartie is as good or better than Shields is very accurate. If you can have Cro at $7 million for 3 years or Shields at $9-$10 million for 5 years I think you have to look at keeping Cro and hoping Milliner develops into the #1 you think he'll be. 

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Brendan @Brad Jerris 

I think Cro is more of a Risk than Tillman. This was Tillman's only year recently where he got hurt. He is coming of a Tricep Injury, not as big of a deal as compared to Cromartie with his hip Injury, even though Cro didnt miss a game. Sounds bad! But one is an arm the other is a Leg. I just love Tillman's physical Play!

harold
harold

Again I watch the games and Shields was rated higher by PFF than Cro.

In watching the games he is better.  I like Cro but he lacks the change of direction, speed or ball skills of Shields. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  It was a typo, it should read 355. The ypc is correct at 16.9. 

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Bent  

Strange: 2012 Espn has 

Cro at 13PD/ 3 Int in 16 games

Shields at 10PD/3Int  in 10 games

harold
harold

Your yards per catch is way off.   Shields is lower.  Not sure how your did in math but it can't be good lol...

Shields 12.14

Cro         12.775

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

@Brendan

If we want to go veteran CB, whats the thought on Tillman. Can he play in Press Coverage. Love his game, his physical play. And he is coming off a tricep injury rather than a Hip Injury.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Cromartie's yards/catch was 4 yards lower than Shields. And he faced #1's. Not sure what your point is. Shields yards/completion was not better. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Brad Jerris  


That would be because the NFL treats interceptions as passes defensed.  So three ints and seven PD per PFF would be 10 PD per NFL.


Cro would end up with 15 instead of 12 in similar fashion subject to any charting differences on PFF (which is notoriously more accurate).

harold
harold

You are comparing what!!

He had twice the targets so the competion% and TD's against % are better.  His yards per pass and completion are better.

What are you talking about?

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Oh, I did, and Cro's season was better. 


Cro: 40 catches surrendered on 87 targets for 511 yards (12.8 ypc), 5 TD's, 69.7 QB rating against.


vs. 


Shields: 21 catches surrendered on 44 targets for 255 yards (16.9 ypc), 3 TD's, 69.8 QB rating against. 


Both had 3 INT's, Cro had 12 PD's to Shield's 7. 

harold
harold

I didn't compare 2013 Shields to 2012 Cro

It was 2012 Shields to 2012 Cro.

His season was better. Look it up