Buzz: Safeties Jairus Byrd and TJ Ward unlikely to receive franchise tags

While there is still a few minutes remaining, it looks as if to the of the top safeties on the market will hit free agency.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

For a Jets team that has money and the need to address the safety position, it is a very interesting development that both of these players will hit free agency.  This might be one of the deeper safety free agent classes in recent memory, so it will be interesting to see how involved the Jets get in negotiations next week with safeties come next week.



243 comments
jimjets
jimjets

Wilson is IMO ok - not great not awful. I'd like to see us take a cb in the draft and give Wilson competition in his contract year. And if the cb in question can help as a returner yea buh bye Wilson

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Cro shouldnt be cut and anyone that thinks that is hypocrites. This guy took so much (crap) from the media and fans and he became a man as a jet and became on of our only leaders. After we cut the other players and Harris should be cut with them its harder to play corner in Rexs d then mlb behind the best front 3 in the game. Cro was great two seasons ago and played hurt this season n was still good not great but good. Let him get healthy and now that the NFL up the cap why not just give him his bonus and renegotiate next season n we can give him a 4 yr fair deal to let him end it as a JET. I'll take CRO healthy over those other guys, he knows Rexs system along with his repore with all the other dbacks, defense, and team. Cut Harris a guy we can more afford to lose and save the 5 mil and have Davis who already as a second yr player a vocal leader and also a step up in athleticism at the position. Skov from Wisconsin whom is a younger more athletic version of Harris and compared to Harris. Cro is top 5 most valueable player on field n locker room and its not worth it.



jimjets
jimjets

Ive said this before - get byrd, best OLB available in free agency and a competent reciever - sanders, golden tate (AND give a guy like sydney rice a vet min deal w incentives), maybe add a FA guard. Shore up those holes in FA and we could do ANYTHING we want come draft day.

lagoo
lagoo

Get Verner to play the slot... Get rid of Kyle Wilson cro mill and verner

a57se
a57se

Hardy has the non-exclusive tag like graham, is there anyone biting for two ones on him?

kniff
kniff

I wonder what is going on in the Jets Brass discussions with Revis and Alterraun Verner??

Is there any way with all this money we can fit either one of them into our CB equation?

Personally I'd rather start with a clean slate and go with Verner... and keep our 3rd round pick of coarse!

McGeorge
McGeorge

@Kirk Michael  Cro SHOULD be cut for salary cap reasons.  Then they can work out a more realistic  and much lower paying deal.


Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@jimjets  I liked everything you said but Golden Tate. Just not that good of a receiver IMO

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@lagoo  yeah! lets get rid of a really great slot corner for us last season! Sounds awesome!

lagoo
lagoo

No ones giving two ones for either of those guys

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  Not us, but someone might.

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff  They could fit either one, without issue. The question is if their price tag is too much for the team, who is trying to fill in many roles right now. 

Joseph Koll
Joseph Koll

In other words, he is durable, versatile, dependable and affordable. That's worth something in this league.

Joseph Koll
Joseph Koll

I disagree, somewhat. He was

miscast as a #1 and that he is not. He also played in a run heavy offense. He is solid and adds value as a returner on special teams which fills another need for the Jets.

Brendan
Brendan

@jma020 As Mr. Lagoo just pointed out, Jets fans still think Wilson stinks. He was one of the best slot corners in the NFL this year, he's absolutely a part of this team's future, I just wish people would start realizing that. Rex has said that the 3rd CB on his team is basically a starting role, so Wilson as the #3 is a vitally important role in Rex's defense, and he played it very well this year. 

Brendan
Brendan

@lagoo  Many of us would do it for Graham, actually. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

I meant anyone on TJB.....but yeah, I hope the Jets won't.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, no need for that. Rex can find an elite front-seven payer and it'll only cost a single 1st rounder. 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Brendan @jma020  Brendan, thank god there is still some intelligent life here after the switch to face book.I can't believe the quality of the comments since the change.It's not quite as bad as what happened to Randy's Radar on the jet site but people making Cro out as the 2nd coming of Deon Sanders is barfable! He was decent in 2012 because the run defense was so bad teams didn't bother throwing on us.last year he was exposed for what he is, mediocre!

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  That's a sign his perceived value corresponds to his current cap value.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan 

Interesting thing is Wilson is on the last year of his rookie deal and there has been NO talk of re-signing him.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Well, at least I have PFF's per-snap/target #'s that help me out a little bit. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  I've found that when one does that, it often just means your opinion is just completely disregarded.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I guess I should reel it back in a bit, I'm just used to going over-the-top on Wilson to get the point across to people who think he's a terrible football player. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @jma020  Is it Lagoo or iagoo?


I'm not as bullish on Wilson as B, but he's at worst a solid role player better than many teams have in that role.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@SackDance99  Your another guy I'm glad still posts here. You make a great argument but consider how effective Seattle was in taking Graham out of that playoff game.And N.O's had other weapons too. Graham was a non factor in that game. Teams will go to school on that tape and although most don't have the talent to duplicate Seattle's strategy, things might get tougher for him down the road.He has taken a lot of big hits over the years and eventually that becomes a problem.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  Moss has two 100 catch seasons with Culpepper throwing to him, but we get your point.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Not sure because I've never seen him play without an elite QB. Look at Randy Moss and his numbers with and without Brady. For all we know without Drew Brees the great Jimmy Graham is just an above average TE and no longer elite.

I haven't figured out what Graham's value is in the Jets offense being that the Jets have had turnover machine QB's since 2009 ...I am not sure that paying millions to Graham with a QB like Geno will net results that justify the money. I'd rather pay a bunch of receivers who are good then put most of the money into a TE who isn't proven without Drew Brees throwing it

bradysucks
bradysucks

@bklyndude @SackDance99 @Brendan  


The best teams have many good receivers......


Even with Megatron where are the Lions? Overpaying Graham is a mistake......I'd love him on the Jets but not at the expense of becoming dependent on one guy with a huge contract that isn't a legit franchise QB

bklyndude
bklyndude

@SackDance99 @bklyndude @Brendan   There is no denying Graham is a unique talent and great,  and I really would like him on the Jets.  It's about what you are giving up.   Rookies sign for five years of controlled cost which allows you to spend money on UFA's and hopefully your own guys on expiring rookie contracts that you choose and hopefully identify as quality.  

I would say with the new rookie pay scale,  young players are more valuable on cheaper contracts.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bklyndude  


I know everybody loves Graham BUT lets keep in mind that he benefits from Drew Brees and he also was shut down in the playoffs this year. I would NOT trade the farm for this guy or overpay for him. I'd find my own Jimmy Graham in the draft and it can be done. I'd rather have a Pitta type player for less money than overpay for Graham........


Geno needs MULTIPLE weapons and we should spread the $$$ around at receiver and TE and NOT bet the farm on any one receiver.......

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bklyndude @SackDance99@BrendanWell, here's a football argument.  With so many underclassmen coming out, the 2nd and 3rd rounds will become even more important than the first because you can lock up 1st round talent with 2nd and 3rd round money.  So, aren't 1st round picks worth less now than ever?  

Plus, Graham is a unique talent.  Only Gronk has put up numbers close to him...he's a match up nightmare and makes all the receivers around him better because of the attention he receives.  Like Brendan said, there are only a few non-QBs worth 2 1st round picks, and Graham is one of them.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@SackDance99 @Brendan @bklyndude  It was a big gamble.  Parcells knew Curtis was going to get lots of touches because he didn't have a great QB.  

It's really an economic arguement more than a football arguement.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude   Makes more sense.  

Let me ask you this,  would you rather two first rd picks and lots of cap space,  or less cap space no first round picks for two years ?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bklyndude Graham (and the Jets still have 11 more picks) for this year's 18th pick and hopefully next year's in the 20-32 range.  For that, we get the 2nd best receiving weapon in the NFL.  And, even after paying Graham, the Jets will still have @ $25 million.  Graham is a unique talent and while I hate to give up draft picks, for every Boss Hogg the Jets have drafted, there's a Vernon Gholston, too.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude  Well, I think next year they're picking mid-20's (GET AT ME), but I hear you. 


Something someone (Bent or Marcus, I believe) threw out the other day was whether you would do it if the team traded back in the first round this year, picked up another 3rd and then traded that 1st and 3rd to the Saints for Graham.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude    No doubt this guy would be good for any team,  but two first rounders 18 and possibly 16 -22,  are going to be two good players at cheap scale by NFL standards in a salary cap era. The teams room for error becomes miniscule and Graham absolutely cannot get hurt.

gusto
gusto

@Brendan @bklyndude  I couldn't get behind giving up two first round draft picks for a non-QB. Jimmy Graham is an elite talent, but so was Revis when he blew out his knee. RG3 was lighting the league on fire before his went. I hope Graham never ever blows out his knee, but it's always possible in this sport.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude Just so you don't think I'm crazy, there are maybe 10 players in the NFL I would consider doing this trade for, and most of them are QB's. 


I just happen to think Jimmy Graham would be a target for Geno that they won't get in the draft and will never hit FA. Guys in their primes who are this good rarely hit FA unless they have warts, so this is the only chance the Jets will ever get at Jimmy Graham. How many players do you foresee being as good as Graham? The guy has HOF potential and is a 6'7" monster with a 39" vertical. I just think he would add dimensions to the Jets' offense that we haven't seen in years, possibly decades. Probably decades. 


Okay, I'm going to stop talking about this before I get sad. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @SackDance99  Tampa Bay has to be kicking itself for giving up one first rounder last year, 13th pick turned into Sheldon, which is bad enough,  but now they are obligated to pay 16mm a year to Revis.  Look how much better the Jets are set up this year,  and I loved Revis.

But when you give up two first rounders of cheap labor (assuming you don't screw up the picks) and cap space to spend on other UFA's,  it can set back most teams unless everything else falls into place.  A team picking at the back of the draft that has less holes on their roster could make some sense.

Jimmy Graham us an UFA would be a different matter.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 #18 and #20-whatever for Jimbo beast-moding redzone catches and dragging defenders 15 yards? Yeah, Jets fans would really take a liking to that. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @lagooSign me up...maybe the top receiving weapon in the NFL not named Megatron and he's just turning 28 this year.

gusto
gusto

@Brendan @Bent  yeah, I wouldn't offer him more than $6 million per year. And even Paul Kruger is overpaid

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent That's what I said, until I read somewhere that he wants to beat Paul Kruger's deal. Next!

Bent
Bent moderator

@gusto @Bent @juunit @Brendan  Not sure about JW.  He's been productive but has never really wowed me, almost to the point where that production could just be a by-product of the Steelers' system.  


Having said that, maybe that's the kind of guy who would be equally productive when added into the Jets' system.

gusto
gusto

@Bent @juunit @gusto @Brendan  okay, I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.


btw, how do you feel about adding Jason Worrilds to bookend QC?

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @gusto @Brendan  "are you suggesting he'd be a better corner on the outside? It reads like you mean he should start but move to the inside on passing downs"


Who, Walls?


No, he's not as good in the slot as on the outside.  So if he was a nickel corner, he'd be better on the outside and one of the starters covers the slot.  Same with Lankster.

juunit
juunit

@gusto @Brendan 

I'd be a little wary, since CB was basically the big hole on the defense. I think I'd rather shore it up then leave that to chance. Good CB play last year and that defense would've been ridiculous. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@gusto @Brendan  That's one thing that stood out to me when  scouted him.  Walls cannot catch.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I was actually thinking #4 for Walls, because I picture Wilson as pretty much cemented into the nickel corner role. And, really, you couldn't ask for a better nickel corner than Wilson, who has a lot of starting experience on the outside, has played in big games, has come back from slumps, etc. He's battle tested, and if your outside guys go down he can slide out if you're not comfortable with your depth. 


FA Signee/Milliner/Wilson/Walls/Lankster/late-round draftee is what I was picturing. 

gusto
gusto

@Bent @Brendan are you suggesting he'd be a better corner on the outside? It reads like you mean he should start but move to the inside on passing downs

gusto
gusto

@Brendan I guess he's not meant for a full time role starting for Rex, but I do think he was competent playing the outside last year. He catches that ball against Atlanta and I think he'd be thought about a little differently.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @gusto  I don't think Walls is good enough in the slot to have a ceiling of "slot corner".  Maybe "nickel corner" is his best case scenario.  And maybe it would make sense to get a guy who can move to the slot when the Jets go nickel?  That's something I'll have to look into.

Brendan
Brendan

@gusto I just think Walls will top out as a slot corner. 



Milliner is 100% ready to make "the jump" this offseason, imo, but Walls will never be that type of player. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So you're the guy who used to write-in answers on a multiple choice question, eh? I bet your teachers loved you. 

gusto
gusto

@juunit @Brendan  I was wondering; is it really the worst thing in the world to just develop Darrin Walls and Dee Milliner? I liked what I saw out of both guys at points during last season.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan  

I think I prefer the 8. Because when he's off the field, a healthy guy takes his place. But as long as Cro was able to play, he was going to play, no matter how bad he was. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Well, you basically had 16 games of Cro (with a handful of healthy ones) vs. 8 games for Peanut (with most of them healthy ones). 

a57se
a57se

@juunit @Brendan@SackDance99 

and with his  hip acting up , who knows how long before the next tweak makes him play like my old favorite Ice Cream man, Mr. Softee.

gusto
gusto

@Brendan @Bent @a57se  I'd take Cro back on a cheaper deal if he passes his physical. I feel like he'll take half of what we're going to need to sign Shields or Verner. But if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the cheaper player unless I was confident Verner would be the same player in our press coverage

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Yeah, but if we're going with "older guys with injury concerns" why not just try to re-work Cro's deal? 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @juunitIf he's healthy, he could be a good locker room guy to school the young 'uns, especially if the Jets draft some quality CBs.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit 33 and just missed half a season with a triceps tear. He'd be a last-resort guy for me. 

juunit
juunit

@Bent  

How about bringing in Tillman? He's rather good and will cost less too. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent @a57se  Milliner followed the number one around in the last few games of last year.  If that's his role and he can continue to thrive, then pairing him with Verner, Shields or someone like that could be an ideal situation.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, I could live with the one-side thing, but I have doubts about Rex signing onto that in his starter. 


As I said earlier today, I'd be happy with either Shields or Verner, I just like Verner's game more. I think he'll fit in so well with Reed's emphasis on turnovers, too (I'm not even acknowledging Reed not coming back is a possible outcome until it actually happens)


@a57se Well, since Cro isn't nearly as bad as people say he is...that means Verner is solid? 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan 

Plus Verner does not hit...he is worse than Cro when it comes to tackling.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  


Yeah, as the article this morning says, he could be talented enough to play in any system and you shouldn't necessarily downgrade him because he's constrained by their system.


I linked to a PFF article yesterday that says something similar about CharlesTillman.


My point is that this is what the Jets will be investigating if they have interest in Verner.


Food for thought though: Verner only played one side.  Shields plays both.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent But how much, really? This was being discussed this morning. Wouldn't Rex be able to work a guy who doesn't like to press cover and uses quickness to jump routes (sound familiar at all?), and is also a film junkie? I mean, that guy can't be that much of a scheme concern, can he? 


Am I wrong in thinking Milliner/Verner would be reminiscent of Revis/Cro in that they have a similar physical/finesse contrast?