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Calvin Pace praises Jets’ defense

The New York Jets are certainly confident in their defense – linebacker Calvin Pace was the latest in a string of Jets players and coaches to claim the Jets as a postseason team (CBS, July 28).

“(Compared to) the rest of the defenses in the NFL? S***, man, we’re the best,” Pace said.

Pace isn’t the only one singing the Jets praises as second-year cornerback Dee Miller told the Daily News on Saturday he’s the best in the league in his position.

“You ask anybody around the league, we’re not the team you want to see coming in, even in a down year,” he said.

As the Jets defense come off an 11th-overall finish in 2013 – the unit’s worst ranking ever under Ryan – Pace is excited about their potential this year. As he should be with Muhammad Wilkerson and Defensive Rookie of the Year Sheldon Richarson back in the defensive line.

“We’re the benchmark when we’re doing well,” said Pace. “I’ll take these guys and Rex and this system any day.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

There’s no question that this defensive line is going to be one of if not the best unit in the league.  There are more questions around what sort of secondary this group will wind up being.

Between the solid coverage I saw in camp from linebackers like Demario Davis and the rise in play from Dee Milliner, the back-end of this unit has the potential to be put in a good position to succeed.  What makes it hard for many analysts is that we don’t have the historical evidence with the lack of proven players like Revis and Cromartie in recent years.  This is without question an “under the radar” group.

All eyes on on Dee Milliner, but I’ll be watching Dimitri Patterson.  Patterson is a very physical playmaker and will be a good addition to this defense, but it will come down to his ability to stay healthy.  As Rex said Sunday about Patterson, “sometimes he might be a little too physical for his own body.”




349 comments
Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

This is a young defense that will grow up together. Imagine 2 years from now what Milliner, Pryor and even Antonio Allen could be for the secondary. And as long as the Jets lock up Wilkerson soon, they will be set on the line for years to come. There are a lot of true leaders on the defense that play a big role. 

John Michael Michael
John Michael Michael

I've actually quoted this before on TJB but...

"Do you know how much of a *jerk* I'd be if it was socially unacceptable to beat the *crap* out of me?!"

-Burr

tsjc68
tsjc68

(comes back from meeting)

(peruses thread)

(is dismayed)

Brian
Brian

That's pretty big boast considering the Jets status from last year. Solid, but not close to anything special. I guess the proof is in the pudding, but I don't think a defense like Seattle is shaking in their boots in fearof being supplanted by the Jets. I wonder if Richard Sherman has heard this boast and Milliner's boast yet. Sure he would have a few laughs with it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Paul Samuels

Yeah, Pace, Harris, Patterson Antwan Barnes and now Babin are really the only graybeards, and none of them are being counted on to provide long-term production, all of them already have their young replacements in the system, learning behind them.


Everyone else is 26 or younger and on the upswing.  

tsjc68
tsjc68

@rkymtnjet

That tapered cut on the feminine version of the Cimin jersey would go smashingly with some mom jeans.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

There's a #4, but I'm not even going to bring it up in this crowd given what I've seen below.

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer Not on purpose, but I've been....there before. It was....well...I still have a couple of lasting marks to remind me. 


Never forget. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Dismayed, disturbed, disgusted...wtf is wrong with people. This topic should be a no brainer.

I guess this is why DV happens so often.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@tsjc68 

How a topic as cut and dry as "Don't hit a Woman" could wind up as a 300 comment thread is beyond me.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brian

It doesn't seem to be all that large of a boast, all things considered.  Last year's Jets defense was around the  #9-#12 range amongst most defensive metrics, and we've added a lot of youth and speed to last year's team while not really losing anyone of great consequence (like a broken down Cro or a perpetually injured Aaron Berry).


Last year's team + Patterson/Babin/Pryor/McDougle/Enemkpali/Reilly + George/Hyder/Dixon/Dowling/Edds = a really, really good defense

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

Exactly.


The "Let's stop to consider whether this unconscious woman possibly did something to cause her non-aggressive partner who has every possible physical advantage over her to have a valid and logical reason for punching her unconscious" angle is PRECISELY what perpetuates domestic violence.


The idea that abusers maybe provoke their own abuse.  


They don't.  There is a systemic pattern of women having their bodies and their right to exist violated.  Domestic violence is a part of that.  "Maybe she provoked" her becoming the victim of an incident of domestic abuse is identical to "She was asking for it" to explain/justify/dismiss the actions of a rapist.


tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsadolph @tsjc68

It's because we're focusing on the "both sides of the story" of "sometimes it's theoretically possible for a woman to be an aggressor in a domestic violence situation" while ignoring the MASSIVE OVERWHELMING STATISTICAL AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE that says that women are almost ALWAYS the completely innocent victim in domestic violence and that there continues to be a nationwide epidemic of women being beaten, raped, stalked, and killed by their male partners that is not reciprocated (women do not often beat/stalk/rape/kill their male partners)


It's the whole Fox News version of "lets look at this from a fair and balance perspective" that is actually not fair or balanced at all, because it attempts to equate two things that are not equal and muddies the waters in intentional obfuscation.


Is there a chance that Ray Rice's wife did something so heinous that it warrants her being punched unconscious?  Sure.  Is the chance that that happened so remote that it's not worth mentioning?  Yes.  


Does even mentioning it, like Stephen A Smith did, do nothing but tacitly condone domestic violence by theoretically blaming the victim and thus re-establishing the logical framework that allows victims to be blamed even though all logical evidence points to the fact that victims should not be blamed except for less than 1/100th of 1 percent of all domestic violence cases?  And thus force women to be prove to be fully virginally chaste and submissive at all times for fear of doing something to legitimize the abuse they receive?  Does failing to fully blame the attacker for the abuse he doles out perpetuate abuse against women as a societal phenomenon by empowering other abusers to claim that they were provoked and see their actions as logical and justified?


Yup.

Brian
Brian

@tsjc68 The one I saw the Jets 12th, behind Buffalo, Tampa, Giants,.... teams not so good. Maybe they will improve this year, they will need a huge leap to be the best.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  yup it could be a fraud but I tend to think most people would let it go if the man is getting slapped and what not as opposed to a woman, especially a good looking woman. Just my opinion.

Brendan
Brendan

@boomer Without going into too much detail, we were doing things, then people caught us and in the panic that followed the followings took place: 


1. Clamp

2. AHHHHHHHHHHH

3. hobbling away, butt-ass naked and bleeding. 

Pete 57
Pete 57

No need to bring in Fox News. Low blow. I along with a majority of people appreciate that they report real, important stories that most other outlets try to ignore. Fox News has crushed in the ratings for many years. You may not like it but many more do.

Bytor
Bytor

@tsjc68 @jsadolph And then you get comments by azzclowns like Todd Akin that don't help either. SMH.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brian @tsjc68

It's also worth noting that last year's Jets defense was probably Rex's worst ever, and that he's likely to improve just due to regression and normal player development curves as his young charges learn their roles and improve their reads.

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brian @tsjc68 Ironically, I think perhaps the most likely way for Pace's boast to come true is for Milliner's boast to come true.

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @tsjc68 And the clampdown on holding affects them more than anyone.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @tsjc68 And you're probably right, many onlookers would choose not to intervene if they saw a woman slapping and shoving a man in public.


The reason why?  They know that that man probably will not end up dead in a ditch somewhere, because there is not an epidemic of men being beaten/raped/stalked/killed by their female partners.  They know that, in all likelihood, that man will just walk away from the relationship at some point and that woman will probably not pursue him to the ends of the earth because she things he is her property.


The circumstances are viewed differently because they are different.  Simple as that.  Society is not as concerned by women abusing men because society has rightly reasoned that it's not as concerning, because it's not.  

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Plus, last couple of years the offense has been horrific. No team will be #1 in defense when your offense can't ge a first down.

levi
levi

@Bent  Good point. I dont think the league liked seeing the Broncos and Peyton look so bad in the SB. I quit watching NBA for such reasons I hope the NFL doesnt go to far with their rules.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  Fair enough. But did you see how people were laughing when the dude was being abused? I think that says a lot about our society and how its views are flawed.


How about mental abuse? do more women suffer mental abuse or men? Who has the higher suicide rate in such cases?


 I dont really expect an answer to the questions. Its just a different view point but you seem to be one sided on this abuse thing. (Physical abuse anyway) There are horrible women just as there are horrible men out there.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle My beloved snapping turtle, Michelangelo, was unfortunately taken away from me. Some kind of animal cruelty bullshit. 

Brian
Brian

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

Buffalo, Tampa and Gianst had horrible offenses last year, yet were better on defense than the Jets some how.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @tsjc68

I'll agree that abuse against men is underreported and underappreciated as a societal concern.


But violence against women is even MORE underreported and even MORE underappreciated, even though it's already seen as a bigger concern than violence against men, as paradoxical as that sounds at first.

levi
levi

@Brendan  This is why you have to keep applying the peanut butter, never let it run out.

Brendan
Brendan

@Brian Buffalo had a better overall offense, Tampa didn't have a better defense (are you looking at points?) and Giants were slightly worse than the Jets. 


Fact is, all four of those teams had poor offenses with solid defenses. But Tampa, remember, had Revis who is no longer there. 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Turtles don't like peanut butter, which I found out the hard way. 

Brian
Brian

@Brendan @Brian Buffalo 4th, Giants 6th, Tampa 8th, Jets 12th in defense. Giants second worst offense.

Brendan
Brendan

@Brian Oh, you're using Football Outsiders ranks. I'm sorry, I'm used to people just going with points/game or something like that and running with it. 


Usign those ranks, Jets had a worse offense than the teams listed besides the Gmen. 


Like I said, you can make a case for any of those teams, but heading into 2014 I'd put the Jets' squad as the one with the best change to finish top-5.