Calvin Pace re-signs with the Jets

According to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk, the Jets have re-signed veteran linebacker Calvin Pace to a two-year deal worth $5 million.

With Jets pass-rush specialist Antwan Barnes out for most of the season due to an injury, Calvin Pace saw more time as a pass-rusher and registered a career-high 10 sacks thanks to the Sons of Anarchy.  With the dominant youngsters, Pace was allowed to patiently work the edge and collect coverage and/or “hustle” sacks all season long.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

After Pace collecting 10 sacks for Jets in 2013, the team should be able to manufacture more sacks out of their veteran group again in 2014.  Pace will push for time on the edge along with Antwan Barnes, who will be back this year after a season-ending injury in 2013.  Even though the team has now re-signed Pace the talent at the edge is still thin, so look to see if the Jets don’t add linebacker / defensive ends in the middle rounds of the NFL Draft in May as longer-term and depth solutions.

While there were some tempting veteran edge players like DeMarcus Ware and Julius Peppers that were on the market shortly, none seemed interested in coming to New York.  After letting DRC and a number of players walk without contracts, it’s hard to not feel frustrated with John Idzik’s slow-playing of free agency.  So far the Jets have done more in re-signing or cutting their own players over to bringing new players into the organization.  

The problem with the 2013 team was that it needed more talent to compete for a playoff spot.  So far, the team doesn’t seem substantially better than it was after almost a week into free agency outside the Eric Decker signing.  95% of the top 50 free agents have signed with clubs.  Little top-tier talent remains, are the Jets going to make a few calculated risks?

No one is suggesting that the Jets should throw good money after bad contracts.  But comparing the amount of cap space the team has to the level of talent the team has imported thus far?  As best I can tell, the natives are getting restless …




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rrjm
rrjm

Any interest in Donald Penn? He's a big mauler maybe move him inside to guard?

privatejet
privatejet

Has someone checked in to see if Idzik is OK??? I think there's a pretty good chance he's been kidnapped by Belichick.

Zartan
Zartan

Bent ,Basset or TJB, if there's no news up by 3 pm that DRC is not signed by someone, i'm burning the site down.

levi
levi

who do you think Idzik is looking at in Louisville? I wouldnt think he'd be willing to pull the trigger on Bridgewater. Pryor?

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

The seahawks had an aging vet in Trufant a few late round picks named sherman Thurmond and maxwell and this guy from the cfl named Brandon browner. Obviously, they made out alright.

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

I know rex insulted him on hard knicks but deangelo hall is another solid corner that can be had for cheap. And like someone mentioned Asante Samuel.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Who knew that a Pace resigning would get 800 comments?   is that a record? 

 we need a new thread!


levi
levi

How upset is everyone gonna be when Idzik says "screw all you high priced CBs were gonna roll with Walls/ Lankster and milliner."?

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

Not for nothing but I think perhaps our not running after Jones fiull bore might have something to do with this comparison of three WR's

                       age    40 time      HGT   first 2 season--games     rec       Yards     TD's    Fumbles      QB's


Decker               27     4.53           6'3"                                30        50         718         9            2            Orton/tebow


Jones                 30     4.59           6'1"                                30        67         950         3            3           Favre/Rodgers


Hill                     23      4.33           6.4"                                23       45         594          4           1            sanchez/Smith


 Whe Hill came out of College everyone , I mean everyone said he needed 2 yrs to develop, we knew that going in.. Given his injuries and the 2 QB's he had  and the fact he makes $554k vs a few million to get jones you would have to be nuts not to give him another year  before you panic and sign a 30 yr old over him. His stats with comparable QB's match up with Decker, he's 6 yrs younger than Jones, if he doesn't cut it this year dump him, but now is too soon. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@rrjm If Willie Colon doesn't come back, how about Jonathan Goodwin as a stop gap?  He knows the WCO, going from Center to RG would be like a vacation and he'd be another nice veteran presence.  Thoughts?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Interesting stuff. Do you know where Attaochu is projected? I've seen "2-3" which makes me think the Jets' best hope is the 2nd round unless they trade to move up in the 3rd. I think I like him the most out of that 2nd grouping. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Zartan  It's 3pm now in the UK.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se  These stats make me like ASJ even more in a traditional TE position,Amaro and Ebron line up unconventionally in a slot position too much which the also catch shorter passes and have to rely on more yac for the same yards. That yac is going to be much harder to get at the NFL level. We had our short TE that was supposed to be a nightmare mismatch in Keller it didn't work out to be all what we thought when it was at NFL level. Give me the more traditional  all around TE everyday.

tal8
tal8

@a57se  Actually this has confirmed my belief in Ebron but also made me realize he most definitely won't be there at 18. 

greggreen
greggreen

@levi  im sure that there are other players who were working out at the louisville proday

greggreen
greggreen

@Kyle Suta  samuel doesnt fit with our system. i think the last available fit if we dont get DRC is Greer  

juunit
juunit

@levi  

I'd honestly rather see that than draft another CB early again. The team will never improve to the point it needs to if we spend all our time focused on a very limited number of positions. Guard and CB for example.

Hoz
Hoz

@levi  idzik have to kick the tires on a vet friendly deal Asante samuels type of player until our youngsters are ready.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@levi Not very we should improve over last year with Milner getting a full Preseason and a season under his belt, he should play better than Cro did last year.  Wals and Lankster can play as well as Milner did for most of the season and Wilson is a top slot CB. I would be fine with them  getting a low priced vet, maybe even bring Cro back

juunit
juunit

@Bernard Mclaughlin  

Never seen anyone type out a list like this in the comments before. Bravo. Well done sir. 

greggreen
greggreen

@Bernard Mclaughlin  I completely agree. but is anyone suggesting that we dump him this year? Other then bloggers who just want instant fixes

rrjm
rrjm

I think he's a 2nd rounder probably middle

levi
levi

@greggreen  I know. Thats why I asked who do you think he's eyeing? I mean the GM doesnt make a lot of pro days I dont think.

levi
levi

@Hoz Im not a big fan of Samuel. Even DRC who is the best CB left is very inconsistent.

levi
levi

@Bernard Mclaughlin  My fear with bringing Cro back is will they keep rolling him out there in a wheelchair if he is hurting again? He should of been benched last season I think. 

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@greggreen @Bernard Mclaughlin Everone on here is frothing at the mouth to get another FA WR and draft another R.  Right now we have 1.Decker,2. Kerly 3. Nelson 4. Hill  


My point , and I think you will agree, is that WR we are fine until draft, then get another in  the first 3  rounds of the draft(TE being my priority) and with our run oriented offense  we are set.  We will run 2TE sets more than we will  run 4 Wide outs so having a 5 man WR core is  more than enough despite the rantings and moaning on this blog


SackDance99
SackDance99

@rrjm With Penn, I don't know him well enough to know whether he'd be mobile enough for RG.  Goodwin, as a center, could easily play guard and he knows the WCO.  And, yes, Penn is younger and more expensive.  I think a stopgap and development of a rookie/young guy (Campbell?) is the better long-term solution.  Goodwin would be cheaper, much cheaper.

rrjm
rrjm

Goodwin is 35. He was drafted by the jets in 2002. Penn is only 30

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99He doesn't really conclude whose the best and we know that Sankey wouldn't be the short-yardage back on the Jets...we have Boss Hogg!


I love Sankey's 7.37% of runs that are 20 or more yards downfield and that a majority of his runs are to the outside...that's what we need for the WCO and zone blocking.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65  Size and percentages used off the line in slot and being spit wide. You kill the position in my view when a guy lies up like that. That's not a TE that's a WR. 

Ask J. Graham what he thinks he is?


We also don't have a Brees or Brady throwing them the precise lead passes put in the right spot at the right time that makes them succeed.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65  II'm looking for chunk yds.,first downs and a redzone targets out of my TE. He won't be good for yac but then a gain I don't think the others will be as effective with an NFL defense either. I want a TE not a WR if I want a WR then I'd pick a WR.

greggreen
greggreen

@Marcus Armstrong @levi @greggreen  i have no idea i dont really follow college football and only do due diligence on prospects that fit the jets or are connected to them in mocks and such

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@SackDance99 @Bernard Mclaughlin@tal8@bradysucks Agreed  , but I would posit that Hill given college background should not even have come close in his first two years to deckers numbers and the fact that he did shows that he MUST be given another year with a stable QB and playing under the same OC. My point all along has been  is that with this offense and this QB our WR's with decker, Kerly and Nelson , Hill do not warrant us paying another WR a few million to get little return. we would be better served , as you ote spending it on an MJD who catches a lot of balls out of the backfield or a jermichael Finley if healthy . For this year our WR's are fine with us taking another after the 1st two roundsIF a value WR is there.


NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@bradysucks  but it's assumed by all that we will be getting at least another WR either in the draft or FA if not both. Who is arguing with you that Hill should be given the #2 spot? Pretty much everyone here who is not ready to throw in the towel on Hill is simply saying to give him another shot (finally with the same QB coach, OC and QB two years in a row) and see how he looks. If he gets hurt again in camp or simply doesn't look good, then they can cut him. You are acting like the book is already written on Hill. It isn't.


He was considered a work in project when they took him and it takes most receivers (i.e. the ones who aren't so raw) 2 years to make an impact. 


Overreact much?

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@Bytor @Bernard Mclaughlin@bradysucks Ok so add another 200 yds to our TE's and RB's by having them make 8 catches a game at 8 yds a catch not 5 , probably more realistic, and add 100 yds to the number 5,6,7 receivers and you still get 3500 +  All I,m say

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bernard Mclaughlin @tal8@bradysucksI don't disagree with your assessment of Hill, but I think the Jets' offense should look much different in the passing game.  MM's WCO relies, a lot, on passes to the RBs and TEs.  These passes are the high percentage passes that boost completion percentage.  Geno could easily exceed 60% completions if MM's true WCO is in place.  And, if the short game is working better, the safeties have to stay home and you get lots of single coverage.


Hill, IMO, needs to get better chemistry with Geno and run his routes more precisely and use his big body better.  Decker had 227 college reception; Hill had 49.  IMO, there's no comparison between Decker and Hill and the similarity in production was primarily caused because Decker was not featured, at all, in his rookie season.


Hill has a whole lot to learn in order to be a productive NFL WR.  He has a big body and speed and those things can't be coached.  But, everything else will take time.  At this point, I don't expect much from Hill and I really hope he can surprise us all.  I just don't believe that will happen.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@bradysucks WE did upgrade. hello, wake up we have two Quality recivers one average and one potential above average what don't you get about that.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@bradysucks    damn man, Hill isn't number 2, I never said that .


decker 1  800 yds

kerly 2     700 yds

nelson 3   400

Hill 4         350

rookie 5    200

That's  2450 yds to WR's      Our RB's and TE's  will get another 800 minimum at 50 yds a game from 8 completions at only 5/yds per.  Can Geno throw for 3250 yds? I doubt it.



Bytor
Bytor

@SackDance99 @greggreen @levi @bradysucks  No doubt SD. Geno to Hill is just not the finished product yet. Here's hoping health and a full offseason gets them on the same page.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@greggreen @levi@bradysucksBut, Bent also had to concede that he couldn't tell whether Hill was running his routes properly.  Look at the infamous Verner INT where it looked like Geno underthrew Hill.  I'll go to my grave saying that Hill over-ran the route.  Timing is everything in the WCO and Geno and Hill did not have good timing on that and many other routes.

bradysucks
bradysucks

We need to upgrade at WR - sorry you don't get it

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@Bytor @bradysucks Frankly the numbers don't bear out anyone except for the number one Decker getting anywhere near 600 yds even.  Smith's big problem is, like most new QB's is slow reads, that's why he got sacked so much, so he will throw to his number one  or checkdown  the majority of times.

Bytor
Bytor

@bradysucks  Nope, Gates and Marky DO suck and that's why they won't be back. The team will bring in other guys to compete and most likely Hill will start the season as the #2 in our base set.

Bytor
Bytor

@Bernard Mclaughlin @bradysucks  Bent proved it in BGA, our lousy receivers got open. Our QB's didn't hit them. Injuries happen. Is Julio Jones not durable? Good golly, let this play out.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@bradysucks I didn't compare his skill set I compared what he did with them with the same kinds of QB's in his first two years . he did the same. We knew he needed to learn to run routes, he has been learning.   but he has something Decker can't learn, speed and height and it is absurd to think given their TOTALLY similar stats that Hill would not have put up big numbers too with Peyton. And wasting a couple of million more a year on another receiver with our

offense is nuts


bradysucks
bradysucks

While you are at it you should start arguing that we should bring back Sanchez and Clyde Gates.....Don't limit yourself to just Hill..

Bring back the Jets 30th ranked passing offense and keep giving scrubs endless opportunities to get clobbered by their competition in the NFL

What a f'in joke

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Hill is our #2 receiver then we are in trouble

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@bradysucks No Again to Quote George Bush(somewhat) "It's the QB STUPID"  when will you get that through your head that NO receiver will deliver stats when you have a QB throwing at 56% with a 50% accuracy rate to WR's , only 30 times a game.  Not Jerry Rice, not anybody. Hire Jones , or sanders or anyone with this team and he'll have no more that 36 receptions until you have a better QB that the OC will allow to throw more and with better accuracy



Bytor
Bytor

@bradysucks  But that's just it, they are not relying on Hill exclusively. They got Decker and I'm sure they'll draft a couple receivers as well. 

Hill will probably win the #2 receiver competition. The only difference this year is we'll have tons more depth.

Bytor
Bytor

@Bernard Mclaughlin @tal8 @bradysucks  Well done Bernard! I would theorize that Hill and the rookie will split Nelson's stats this year. That would get him to my projected 750yds and let's say 5tds.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Eric Decker is durable.

Hill is not durable. I will be AMAZED if he plays 16 games healthy.

I do not claim to know Hill's future but there is no way in hell I would rely on Hill as my starting receiver based on how overmatched he was out there past 2 years and how unreliable he has been

By the way keep comparing Decker's skill set to Hill's

Decker is a much better route runner and is much better at catching the ball. He is also stronger than Hill

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@tal8 @bradysucks Except he delivered as much in the first two years as Eric decker did facts are facts, so how can you say he won't deliver like decker going forward given that he started a year younger and had more to learn  you folks are nuts to lay this on hiom or any other receiver   to coin a George Bush the first phrase "it's the QB , stupid"


You drafted Hill and we all agreed he was a 2 yr project. Then in his first year  we had the worst OC in football and the worst QB in football


In his 2nd year he had a better OC and a Rookie QB who threw 30 times a game at a 50% accuracy rate to his WR's with Hill being targeted 59 times which was third best on the team.


 Will  he develop ...maybe, if you go by stats of other receivers he ahs a real good shot, but none of these receivers will do anything if Geno doesn't make a quantam leap.


If we throw 10% more than last year we will still only throw 33 passes a game. if his distribution between RB's TE's and WR,s stays the same  WR's will get thrown at 21 times a game. If his accuracy to WR's rises from LY 50% to this year 60% he will still only complete 12 passes to WR's a game.


Give Decker 4 for    64 for the season

         kerlyn  3 for    48

         nelson 2         32

         Hill       2         32

         Rookie 1         16


We ran more  51 % last year

I swung that to  55% pass this year despite the talk Rex has said  Adding another receiver with this team and this QB , even if he improves greatly as I projected above , is absurd.  Not giving Hill , who has comparable  first 2 yr stats to the guy we just gave Millions to, at $550k/yr is also absurd. paying  another 2-3 Million a year for another receiver to catch 2-4 passes a year max is equally absurd.  Do the math


Bytor
Bytor

@tal8 @bradysucks  Will you guys as least come back here after next year and admit you were wrong about Hill if he puts up 750yds/5tds?

bradysucks
bradysucks

I would bring a bunch of guys into camp at WR and put the best 5 or 6 guys on the roster. I would draft at least 2 WR's in the first 4 rounds. I would not guarantee Hill a roster spot. If he earns it then fine. I think Idzik should add another free agent WR as well (Jones)

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks        I guess I'm not understanding what you want to do with Hill.  Are you saying keep him on the roster or get rid of him ?   It sounds like you would like him off the roster and replaced by somebody else.

levi
levi

@bradysucks  Who's turn? Your automatic reply seems to be on the fritz.

bradysucks
bradysucks

And it is.....it is a major issue when your starting WR misses a lot of games 2 years in a row and has awful production and drops passes and can't beat press coverage and runs poor routes

Your turn...

levi
levi

@bradysucks  I think every skill player on the team pulled a hammy in the last two years. That still baffles me. Stretch out fellas.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks

Not what I said....

Hill's inability to stay healthy when he is so young is a major issue.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Not what I said....

Durability is important in the NFL

Deny it all you wish

Hill, Kerley, Holmes missed a lot of games the past 2 years and you are kidding yourself if you don't think it matters

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill's inability to stay healthy when he is so young is a major issue. Young guys should be durable.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks       That's the reason the Jets signed Decker and are looking for more help at WR.   But to not recognize the team was forced to start him before he was ready because the team didn't have any better options.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@bradysucks  no one is saying hill should start. Wouldn't mind keeping him another year as our #5 to see if he can improve.


If he doesn't show imprpvement in camp, cut him.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I don't claim to know if Hill will be any good in the future. I'm just saying he has proven that he can't be relied on to stay healthy 2 years in a row and he hasn't been effective 2 years in a row.

levi
levi

@bradysucks  when I said opinion I meant its your opnion that Hill will never be any good. that is opinion not fact.

bradysucks
bradysucks

It isn't an opinion. It is a fact. Stephen Hill has been one of the least productive starting WR's in the NFL the past 2 years and the Jets passing offense has been ranked at the bottom of the NFL the past 2 years. Both are facts...

bradysucks
bradysucks

Putting a terrible QB and a terrible WR together results in the 30th ranked passing offense in 2012 & again in 2013

Geno hasn't helped Hill and Hill hasn't helped Geno - same with Sanchez and Hill

levi
levi

@greggreen  Bradysucks isnt gonna change his opinion on it so we just have to hope he has a good year. He doesnt have many chances left though.

greggreen
greggreen

@levi @bradysucks  Anyone who watched the games and saw bents breakdowns, i think it was evident that hill was getting open but geno wasnt finding him. its not fair to judge

bradysucks
bradysucks

There is so much more to being a good NFL receiver than being tall and being able to run fast. Hill is not a good route runner, and he isn't very strong, and he catches the ball with his body.

If he can't stay healthy in his early 20's and has no durability then it will only get worse as he ages.....

Not a fan of this guy's potential or teaching him how to play football

levi
levi

@bradysucks  Hill has disappointed but I dont think its fair to talk about his shortcomings without mentioning the god aweful QB play that he's had. Sporano didnt do him any good either.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks     I think everybody agrees the Jets will upgrade the talent at WR,  but most people should realize he still has enormous potential.  Would it be unfair to think he would be more productive in his early years with a more accomplished QB.   

I'm not saying he will,  but he's 23 and I think it's to early to say he's got no chance like some are implying. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Every year Hill has been our starter we've had the worst passing offense in the NFL or close to it. He is overmatched out there.

I don't care if the Jets develop him but he isn't a reliable starter or a back up you can count on to come in and deliver.

greggreen
greggreen

@Bernard Mclaughlin @greggreen  if hill is playing well then he will move up on the depth chart regardless. But he shouldnt be handed anything

tal8
tal8

@bradysucks  Without bashing the young boy :) He's just not delivering and will probably never become NFL caliber starter

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hope all you want....

Hill isn't productive and relying on him is irresponsible and stupid

Plus he gets injured constantly -

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bernard Mclaughlin @greggreen      Not giving a Hill a pass,  but not only was he hurt last year,  he also had QB's that were rated among the worst rated in the NFL in his first two years.   I'm still holding out some hope for this 23 year old kid..

bradysucks
bradysucks

Rolls eyes

Jets had the 30th ranked passing offense with Hill, Kerley, Nelson in 2013

Since Hill has started in 2012 and 2013 the Jets have had the 30th ranked pass offense

It isn't working....

Rolls eyes