Could Stephen Hill’s knee impact the rest of his season?

Stephen Hill was downgraded from probable to questionable on Friday and in the lead-up to the game Sunday against the Raiders, the Jets coaches ruled Hill out in what become concern over his availability for the final three games.

“[Stephen Hill has] had swelling [in his knees],” Ryan told reporters after the game. “It’s been the last several weeks. The young man has been competing his tail off, but he’s just not himself. He’s not able to burst out of cuts  […] quite honestly, as much as he wants it, it’s best for us.

“We made a decision to deactivate him this week. Hopefully, he can get back to where he’s feeling like he can make cuts and burst and we’ll see how it works.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Hill had experiencing swelling during the spring minicamps after he had his knee surgically repaired last offseason. In a game where the offense seemed to be clicking, it is unfortunate that Hill was not able to partake in the feasting on the Raiders defense.

There’s no question that it has been a disappointing second season for Hill, but there’s been some positive signs from the former Georgia Tech receiver and he has been getting open despite his quarterback’s inability to get the ball to him. The Jets are going to be taking on one of the very best secondaries this coming week in Charlotte and so even if Hill can act as a decoy, it might help to get other players open.




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Jim Welker
Jim Welker

Not fair to judge Hill yet. You need good QB play to help develop a raw receiver. Hill has had to work with a crappy Sanchez in 2012 and an even worse Smith this year. Also the knee problems haven't helped.

Hill would have developed better if he was on a team with a decent QB.

gray17
gray17

Really, Hill was a mistaken pick in the second round. If he were picked in the 5th or later, this write up/commenting wouldn't exist. It is very unlikely under a four year contract that Hill will ever live up to $1.3mm he made/will make over four years. Watching Ashlon Jeffery this year is just so heart wrenching knowing he was a similar, but more proven player taken two picks after the Jets selected Hill.

Hill is young. That is true. If the Jets had a 6-7 year contract on him with minimal salary, he might develop into a productive player towards the end of his contract. At best, I expect a below average receiver who might contribute occasionally before he leaves the team - hardly what you want out of a second round pick that you traded up to get.

In the end, all of our frustration should be vented at the Jets talent evaluators. Outside of a couple of good drafts 5-6 years ago, they have missed far more than they've got right. And they've found minimal very late round/undrafted talent despite a bevy of picks and open team needs.

We have to hope that Idzik cleans out the scouting/talent evaluation department and brings in more of the people that helped build Seattle's nucleus and other young dominate teams. A better draft with the 10+ picks next year and the $20mm cap space, might help the organization turn around more quickly than it appears right now....

gbrownn
gbrownn

I get depressed every snag I see Alshon make. Tannenbaum should be fired again.

fourbten
fourbten

Hill is a complete bust, and the sooner they figure it out, the better. Wishing and hoping will not make him a better player any better than it worked with Vernon.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

TWO WORDS: ALSHON JEFFREY... Passing on him for Hill really REALLY stings.

Jerry C
Jerry C

How could his knee impact a nonexistent season? Hill is a project and a project turns into a solid starter...well almost never. Hill is a major bust. Rex can talk him up "working his butt off", but it has done nothing on the field.

bittinho
bittinho

Testing out the new commenting system for the first time which has apparently killed this site. It seems like there are a lot less commenters and some regulars are missing. I hope people come back and make this blog great once again.


As of now, Hill is a bust. We traded multiple draft picks to move up a few spots to get this guy, acting like a first rounder had dropped to us and we knew something other teams didn't. Hill is Exhibit B in the Jets scouting departments failure to properly evaluate and grade offensive draft picks. We all know who Exhibit A is. Even if Hill has shown some slight improvement this year he was severely overvalued. Other WRs on the board when we picked Hill have outplayed him. As others have said he was always thought to be a project and should not have been made a starter immediately. Another poor decision by Tanny/Rex. The biggest compliment anyone has ever given Hill is that he is a terrific run blocker. That is not the unathletic way to think in the NFL these days.


To me, Hill seems particularly for a guy who runs a 4.3. Even watching film of his 40 yd dash he doesn't seem as fast as the watch says. His problems with his hands have been noted and he does not seem to have the ability to run routes other than deep patterns. His not seem smooth coming out of breaks. He does not fight for the ball and seems to lack awareness out there as well. I hope he improves in leaps and bounds soon but I haven't seen much from him yet. 


He is in the 2nd year of a $5mm contract so there is no monetary reason we are going to cut him.  We will keep him as the project he is and expect results by the end of his 4 years. At best, we can hope he will be an average receiver by that time because he is behind the curve right now.

bob
bob

Hill is definitely catching the ball a lot better than last year. He has made to me a huge improvement....Jets can beat the Panthers..why not

ww85
ww85

This kid has a lot of talent. Hope he fights through this rough patch.

marcus81
marcus81

Hill should have sat and learn and he should have been worked in slowly into playing games, you don't develop a player by throwing him to the wolves making him a starter right out of college, would not be surprised if he succeeded somewhere else where the coaches know what they're doing

bharper42
bharper42

Did you actually say he's getting better?


No comment.

jets42fan
jets42fan

can we please go back to diqus...this livefyre engine is frustrating for me

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

A wide receiver going deep and being a decoy works only if they throw him the ball occasionally. 

jets42fan
jets42fan

i was gonna say what Dan said....its not about dislike or hate towards hill, its not about degrading him and saying he has no skills....its about being honest. He's not the receiver the team needs, i mean yes hes the tall once fast guy, but they knew when drafting him his hands were stone walls and he had issues catching.....he was all speed and a project receiver. IMO we should let him go and go after someone else

D
D

Season, probably his career, wouldnt be surprised if he was cut this offseason

a57se
a57se

Maybe the Carolina game looming on the horizion had something to do with the idea of letting Hill have a week off to rest his knees?


Jerry C
Jerry C

Good post. Agree on all your points. I hope the 12 picks and cap space will get us moving on to a top level team for a long time!

marcus81
marcus81

Jets would have had to trade up to get him too, he was taken a few spots before the Jets at about 14, Jets should have taken Ryan Broyles or Rueben Randle with their spot without trading up.

jaym
jaym

Remember the Jets traded up to get Hill, so used 3 draft picks to get him

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Since when did the bust word start to get thrown around after 2 years.

Sure dude hasn't produced but normal NFL wisdoms says it takes 3 years to develop a WR.

But I guess that why 0 of you work in the NFL or have any clue wtf your taking about.

Brendan
Brendan

@marcus81 Just out of curiosity, could you pull up the stats to the first NFL game Stephen Hill ever played in? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Daniel You are kidding yourself if you think his career is over and he's going to be cut. 

Jerry C
Jerry C

But you do. Hill is a bust, will be a bust next year and you will be the proven clueless one who knows a little less than nothing. Make sure you have your Hill jersey on for Carolina. What will the over/under on catches for Hill be? I think he is between 0 and 1 at best.

If he was a project taken in a later round it wouldn't be as bad. But Tannenbum screwed the pooch on this one and then overplayed for him.

marcus81
marcus81

he had a fluke great first game but what has he done since?

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Somehow you seem to view Hill through rose colored spectacles. You apparently do the same with Geno.

Your use of statistics for one game against Buffalo two years ago seems ludicrous considering the body of evidence against Hill since then.

He was a project player, and certainly not worthy of a second round selection.

Sometimes being a loyal fan distorts objectivity.

jets42fan
jets42fan

his career may not be over but how many coordinators and qb's does it take to make a value out of hill.....im not saying hes sucks but their has to be a reason for them not targeting him.....hes the tallest receiver we have so why wouldn't geno throw the balls up in the air? You need to remember just cause You have faith in a player ,that doesnt make him good.....and no i dont have an answer of who will step up who will be better but when we have been scarse at wide receiver we still haven't used him when hes been active......you keep going back speed and size. Its obviously not enough for MM

a57se
a57se

Didn't you imply he hasn't gotten any better on another thread?


EDIT: Oh Yeah! Here is the quote!


You haven't seen improvement in A Wr, Stephen Hill.

arc34
arc34

@Brendan @marcus81 He drops a lot of balls and does not fight for the ones he can reach.; does not use his height to his advantage at all (I am almost sure 5'8" guys out rebounded him in basketball); makes soft cuts, other than  that.....he has potential.

Brendan
Brendan

@marcus81 He's had a couple of good games, and neither QB he's played with has utilized his speed by throwing deep. Let's not write off the kid yet. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Neil Herschkowitz


What rose colored glasses? I said Hill has not lived up to expectations. I'm simply saying to give up on a 22 year old who has played hurt for a while now and hasn't had QBs really utilize his deep threat ability isn't fair. He's an infant in NFL eyes, people are so quick to write people off. Obviously he's not performing well, but he was a project player and regardless of draft position he wasn't going to become good overnight. 


And I don't know where you get the Geno bit from, I've said for a few weeks now I hope they look at this QB class with serious consideration. If something falls to them or they find good value, I'm not against taking someone else. 

omw1
omw1

@a57se the pass was not intended for holmes.

"I just up and got it," Kerley said. "It felt like backyard football. I knew it was going to come to me based on the coverage. [Smith] threw it up and it seemed like it stayed up there forever. I caught it when I was coming down. It was a good throw, a big catch and it got us some points."

a57se
a57se

Let's look at an example or two.....

1. the TD Geno threw this weekend.

He threw it up for Santonio Holmes (apparently, most think Holmes WAS his target) but he threw it too late and too short so Holmes never had a chance but fortunately for the Jets, Kerley was in the area and was able to make a play on the ball.

2. Let's go back a couple weeks ago and there was a similar play where the Jets had two Receivers running go routes and Geno threw it up late and short but on that one, Hill's man came over and picked the ball off.

I'm thinking the coaches aren't too confident in Geno's ability to throw jump balls right now.

Brendan
Brendan

@bharper42 Ah, so it's your expectations are irrational. 


Kerley is not a "3 at best." Kerley is a beast, if he wasn't hurt he would have probably approached 1,000 yards this year, with a rookie QB. 


As I said, Hill is not what we had hoped, but the difference with us is I say it's possible he could be, you've written off a kid who is so young there are people that will be drafted THIS year that are older than him. I don't get that, but to each their own. 


Ducasse should be starting, and he will end up starting somewhere else next year, most likely. Pick a better example of a "laggard," but he's a good example of being a guy who people wrote-off far too soon and ended up developing rather nicely. The issue with both Hill and Vlad is they were 2nd round picks so people expect them to perform yesterday. 


They are not "all bad," do you just regurgitate what Cimini writes about? Holmes is the #1, and injuries are the only thing that held him back this year (not even Geno could do that). Kerley is a legit slot guy. The Jets need another target opposite Holmes, but Hill could end up being that guy, it's not too late for him. 


I agree that the team needs to improve, but why can't they improve in the short-term and still develop talent long-term? Winning franchises do that, it's time the Jets do it as well.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You need to stop portraying me or acting like I'm some kind of unreasonable fan. I am one of the most reasonable people that comment here and you agree with more often than not, whether you realize it or not. 


But the constant push to prove me wrong or hypocritical makes me avoid getting into discussion with you, which sucks since you're here as much as I am. 

marcus81
marcus81

stop you two, or no snacks

bharper42
bharper42


this new engine makes replies weird.  It appears as if you're replying to all instead of the intended person.  sorry.


I don't see him ever being a good WR.  I still can't get the picture of him jumping up for the ball trying to make a basket catch and allowing the ball to be picked off.  All he had to do was go up for a rebound and make a great play.  But he doesn't do that.


Keeping average or bad players is SOJ.  You can't get better if you continue to keep laggards on board.  How many years is ducasse going to be here and not deliver.


It's not just Hill imo.  They're all bad.  Kerley is a 3 at best.  If he's your 1 then you have a lot of issues.  Unfortunately he's our 1 and oh look how bad the offense is.


I want idzik to draft as much talent as possible on the offense this draft and even FA some in.  We can't continue to put this group of players on the field.

a57se
a57se

I wasn't, I produced your quote which says Hill hasn't improved this year which you corroborated in your reply.

Yet in this thread you were arguing in Hill's favor. I gave you a chance to clarify your contradictory (apparently) statements. I was trying to understand where you were coming from because you seem to have two minds on things at times and it is difficult to pin you down.


Edit: That reply you gave to BHarper was just the sort of thing I was looking for and I am glad you clarified your position.........Oh and BTW, I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment you expressed....

Brendan
Brendan

@bharper42 @Brendan @a57se


He's a super-cheap WR option, he has elite size/speed, and has apparently been hurt all year. 


Has he been what we hoped? No, of course not, but he's 22 years old (repeat: TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD) and won't be 23 until April. Acting like his career is over before his 23 birthday is lunacy. 


And, as Marcus pointed out, he's been getting open fairly often, they're just not throwing it deep. Perhaps that trust hasn't developed, but much like Sanchez never threw to him last year, Geno hasn't really given him the chances to chase down fly balls. 


Keeping a 22 year old 4.3-speed WR who was raw to begin with is not "SOJ." "SOJ" would be cutting a guy, letting another, more patient team develop him and then having him score 2 TD's against them in a big game. 

a57se
a57se

I know that...apparently some folks on this site ignore BGA's and all the rest.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bharper42 @Brendan @a57se He is getting open, though. And he's caught things much more consistently this year.

bharper42
bharper42

@Brendan @a57se


What would it take for you to cut him?  He's done nothing for 2 years, looks lost, and drops everything.  How can someone so big, fast not be able to get open.  


Keeping him is SOJ.  Idzik doesn't want to be SOJ.  he has to be cut.  Him and every other WR besides Kerley.  Kerley can be the 3rd option if we can hopefully find a 1 and 2 WR.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Stop it. 


You're too smart to play stupid. Acting like you weren't insinuating anything is bull. 

a57se
a57se

I asked you a question meant to give you an opportunity to clarify yourself and you manage to accuse me of trying to force a stance on you......nice!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Great stuff, as always.


My comment that you posted out of context was in reply to you saying that you haven't seen "improvement in the WR's" or something to that effect. Hill is the only WR who has not improved this year, which was my point. 


That doesn't mean I expect him to be cut or to be out of football this year, so please, continue trying to force a stance on me that I never took.