Daily Links: A tight contest




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frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Could Sanchez return? I hope this is just Idzik's attempt at getting something (extra footballs for practices?) for him. If he proves he's healthy and they can negotiate a minimum contract with playtime incentives and he does all this knowing he'll be traded, then there's a real long shot Idzik can get something for him, but it's really fantasy land. Unfortunately, there's probably a better bet (although low) that Sanchez will remain to warm the bench and hold Rex's hand. ;)

Could Dee be the Jets pick at 18? Wouldn't be surprised if Jets go D once again having hit a home run with Richardson. If anything, they'll be even more susceptible to tunnel vision, but if they do go D again MM better rethink his future here. Rex has great talent on the D and gets more, MM has very few legit players on the O and has to compete. - Quite frankly, that sucks. It's much easier to be declared a genius when you have talented players.

Ebron or Amaro? We could use both. If Cumby returns, he's no more than a #3. And the rest are either part-time injured vets or wannabes. That's a poor collection of talent if TE's are going to be a big part of your O. 

Can't wait to see what Idzik does to clean up this mess and build a solid O for the future.

a57se
a57se

Wow, I just noticed that Nolan Nawrocki is responsible for most of the prospect analysis on NFL.com!!!!!

That was a shocker given his history!

nesboogie
nesboogie

I would really love ODB in the 1st, trade back a bit for him and get an extra pick.

bklyndude
bklyndude

I don't have a problem drafting a great athlete,  but please make sure he is a great football player first.

I'm trying to figure out which WR has the best chance against Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis.

a57se
a57se

Top WR Comparison:


40 Yard Dash

Sammy Watkins:________4.43

Mike Evans:____________4.53

Marqise Lee:___________4.52

Odell Beckham Jr.:______4.43

Kelvin Benjamin:________4.61


Vertical

Sammy Watkins:________34.0

Mike Evans:____________37.0

Marqise Lee:___________38.0

Odell Beckham Jr.:______38.5

Kelvin Benjamin:________32.5

3-Cone Drill

Sammy Watkins:________6.95

Mike Evans:____________7.08

Marqise Lee:___________NA

Odell Beckham Jr.:______6.69

Kelvin Benjamin:________7.33

20 Yard Shuttle

Sammy Watkins:________4.34

Mike Evans:____________4.26

Marqise Lee:___________4.01

Odell Beckham Jr.:______3.94

Kelvin Benjamin:________4.39

60 Yard Shuttle

Sammy Watkins:________NA

Mike Evans:____________11.58

Marqise Lee:___________NA

Odell Beckham Jr.:______10.93

Kelvin Benjamin:________12.08

In ALL the Speed and Agility tests as well as verticals, Beckham Jr.  leads the way while Benjamin is completely outclassed.

Mike Evans numbers are very impressive when you take into account his size while Lee is the closest to Beckham at a comparable size. Watkins falls in the middle.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn  

But if we re-sign Cumby, sign James Jones, Golden Tate and Donald Brown we will have stacked our offense, then we can draft Defense!

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se  

His reports are impossible to read.  Too negative, not real scouting reports. 

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se  

You are going to be so pissed when the Jets don't draft Beckham.

juunit
juunit

You left out broad jump.

a57se
a57se

@jdb4 @a57se 

His analysis is set up like most that I see online. He has a Strengths section, a  Weaknesses section and a Bottom Line section.......I don't agree with all his write-ups but I haven't seen anything egregious or difficult to read from him.

a57se
a57se

@jdb4 @a57se 

Not really, unless they pick someone I really don't like!

a57se
a57se

@juunit  

I know, I also left out the bench press as neither really apply much to WR's......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se We tried that already, 57. You followed me around, replied to most of my posts and tried to lure me into arguments. 

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet Yeah, it's one of my character flaws. I get into needless arguments and when I lock my jaws onto something, it's like trying to shake loose a pitbull or something. 



High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@Brendan @High$ocietyJet  actually just yesterday thinking to myself how much better the blog is when you guys get along, like I said you guys bring a lot to the discussions but get sided tracked when you guys feel the other is being condescending to each other

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet I've tried that more than once, for the record. Like, right now, actually. 


Whatevs. It's the offseason and we're getting new, quality commenters to talk with, I was just trying to relieve some akwardness with my last post. 

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@a57se @Brendan  I would disagree, I think you both bring alot to the blog from different perspectives you both just need to chill out. You guys are like a couple that won't get over past transgressions you need to clean the slate and start over lol

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Don't compare my discussions with you to my back-and-forths with Hanker. Hank and I are at a good place in our TJB relationship, we don't take each other seriously (hint hint) and it's been a lot better the past couple of months. In fact, I tend to enjoy clowning on Hank's crazy posts, and he knows how to roll with those comments. 


When I ignored you, as Levi stated, you still took it upon yourself to bait me continuously. Yesterday we had a number of perfectly respectful exchanges. Today, not once have I insulted you or baited you, I simply ask questions for the sake of discussion. 


Notice my interactions across this board, 57, then look at yours. Do I get into long, drawn out arguments with anyone else? No. Do you? That's a resounding yes. 


Maybe if you just stopped taking things so seriously, you'd stop jumping into attack mode. I dunno, just a thought. But I really don't think anything I've said warrants you lashing out like this. 

levi
levi

@a57se But when he ignored you you commented on every one of his posts. Maybe you should try a different approach if you want to be ignored. Just a thought. Im not looking to argue with anyone.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I'm the spectacle? You seem hell bent on trying to lure me into one of these ridiculous debates you get into with Hank like on the other thread by jumping on anything I post  and trying to start an argument.

This Blog and I were both much better off when you ignored me.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What the hell? 


You are a spectacle, 57. I think that's where we're at right now. 


Are you actually Nolan Nawrocki? Why in god's name are you this worked up because I posted a couple of articles that have been lambasted for being borderline racist (or racist, depending on your interpretation). Re-lax. Jesus. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se  

Let me break it down for you then:

Wow........Shows surprise at what is to follow 

I just noticed that Nolan Nawrocki is responsible for most of the prospect analysis on NFL.com!!!!!

States a FACT that is the subject of the initial SURPRISE.


That was a shocker given his history!

Explains the reason for the surprise and acknowledges Nawtocki's checkered past without going into detail.


2nd Comment:


In response to jdb4's comment: 

His reports are impossible to read.  Too negative, not real scouting reports.  

I replied with a FACT first:

His analysis is set up like most that I see online. He has a Strengths section, a  Weaknesses section and a Bottom Line section

followed by an Observation of his CURRENT work on NFL.com, the National Football Leagues FLAGSHIP Website.


I don't agree with all his write-ups but I haven't seen anything egregious or difficult to read from him.

Yet YOU decide it is more important to dredge up his past transgreesions then to discuss the actual situation of him doing all the analysis at NFL.com which was the point of the conversation.

I don't see what purpose your comments serve except some lame attempt to start another argument......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes. And your second. And every comment that I reply to. Now you don't have to ask me this in the future! Progress!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Who is derailing? You brought up Nolan Nawrocki, who has a history of having very negative, very slanted "scouting reports." 


He's not worth the paper he prints his stories out on, imo. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

We all remember that one Brendan, of course that means he never can do anything good!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "so important?" 



I just think it's our job to be accurate. He held himself out of certain drills, but he participated until the end, so those dives didn't keep him out of the drills that I think are most important for teams' evaluation (the ones where they actually play football), that's all I was saying. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

OK, if that distinction is so important to you, I will cede it....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, he kept participating in the pass catching drills. Mayock/Eisen said multiple times he was "heading over to the training table" only for Lee to continue running through all the pass catching drills. He didn't miss a rep. Not running in certain events isn't the same as not finishing. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

He didn't do the 3-cone drill nor the 60 yard shuttle.....so he didn't keep participating. He has shown toughness by playing through his knee issue this past season and I laud him for that.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yeah, diving on turf the way he does will leave you with some bumps and bruises. The fact that he kept participating after each time he hit the turf should quell more concerns than it creates, though. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @SackDance99 

I wonder if he is a little fragile.....he didn't do all the drills and seemed to wince a few times after diving for some of those errant throws.....

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 He also looked great catching the ball. He got like 5 errant throws in a row, laying out for them and making some highlight reel catches. I would be very happy with Lee at 18. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @a57seInteresting that the buzz is that Lee's 40 was disappointing...I thought his 40 time was exactly in line with I saw on tape...not elite speed, but good at the other parts of what makes a good WR.  Maybe he'll slide down to 18?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Yeah, that's why I didn't include the bench press either......

Then again, I did CLEARLY say: 

"In ALL the Speed and Agility tests as well as verticals,"

which means these are the SKILLS I am comparing.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If I had to guess? The two of them identified this as one of those "57 is about to be really unreasonable" discussions and abandoned ship. 


My questions are not unreasonable, or meaningless, or anything. They're fair, and the fact that you can't answer them like an adult is your fault, not mine. 


Final point: broad jump matters. Is it not included because Beckham wasn't a leader in that? 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @a57seIsn't broad jump important to judge catch radius?  The problem for a57 is that ODB wasn't a top performer, while Lee and Watkins were.  IMO, Lee's Combine performance put him back into the "2nd WR taken in the draft" conversation, and I like ODB, even if he wasn't a top performer in broad jump.


Take Benjamin in the 2nd round and convert him to TE!

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

and I answered you and you continue to press the meaningless point like an annoying chihuahua.

juunit and Marcus made the same point but it didn't devolve into a stupid pissing contest like it always does with you. Tell me why?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Now there's a reasonable response. 



"asking why you omitted a test from your comparison" =/= hassling you



All I'm doing is asking why you feel that's the one test besides bench press (which I agree is useless for this positional grouping) that shouldn't be counted. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Go hassle someone else.

Or better yet, make your own post comparing the WR's.....


a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You are the one challenging my omission...you need to provide your 'evidence.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se (this is the part where you should supply your supporting evidence)

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, I know where to find the data, your condescension is appreciated, as always. 


My point was that you're excluding something important for WR's. 


It's not just their ability to "power through a CB." Do WR's ever jump? Leap? Stretch out for an errant pass? Explosion isn't simply vertical. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They're equal, if anything. I just don't know how you ignore an event like that. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

For whom?

The Vertical leap is the best example of explosion for WR's.....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You cannot ignore broad jump, dude. It's the best indicator of explosiveness at the combine. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit  

I don't see that....and not sure where you are getting that information.

juunit
juunit

It's probably the best measurement of athleticism in the combine. The best athletes are consistently the leaders in the broad jump.

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong  

I know what the broad jump is but that really says little about anything a WR ever has to do.....the motion is more like one used in blocking. WR's are motion players...the vertical jump isn't ideal either but jump balls are part of the question mark on WR's.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Broad jump is leg explosion... Definitely still important (but there's a huge size advantage)