Daily Links: A tight contest




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frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Could Sanchez return? I hope this is just Idzik's attempt at getting something (extra footballs for practices?) for him. If he proves he's healthy and they can negotiate a minimum contract with playtime incentives and he does all this knowing he'll be traded, then there's a real long shot Idzik can get something for him, but it's really fantasy land. Unfortunately, there's probably a better bet (although low) that Sanchez will remain to warm the bench and hold Rex's hand. ;)

Could Dee be the Jets pick at 18? Wouldn't be surprised if Jets go D once again having hit a home run with Richardson. If anything, they'll be even more susceptible to tunnel vision, but if they do go D again MM better rethink his future here. Rex has great talent on the D and gets more, MM has very few legit players on the O and has to compete. - Quite frankly, that sucks. It's much easier to be declared a genius when you have talented players.

Ebron or Amaro? We could use both. If Cumby returns, he's no more than a #3. And the rest are either part-time injured vets or wannabes. That's a poor collection of talent if TE's are going to be a big part of your O. 

Can't wait to see what Idzik does to clean up this mess and build a solid O for the future.

nesboogie
nesboogie

I would really love ODB in the 1st, trade back a bit for him and get an extra pick.

bklyndude
bklyndude

I don't have a problem drafting a great athlete,  but please make sure he is a great football player first.

I'm trying to figure out which WR has the best chance against Richard Sherman and Darrelle Revis.

Bent
Bent moderator

Clowney just ran an unofficial 4.47!


Pitt DT Aaron Donald ran a 4.65 which is almost as impressive.  He's having an amazing offseason.


Honorable mention to Auburn OT Greg Robinson who ran 4.88 at over 330 pounds and Northern Illinois QB (!) Jordan Lynch who ran a 6.55 three cone drill.

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se  

His reports are impossible to read.  Too negative, not real scouting reports. 

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se  

You are going to be so pissed when the Jets don't draft Beckham.

juunit
juunit

You left out broad jump.

juunit
juunit

If Clowney is as good as everyone says, why does he hold no college records except most hyped of all time?

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit  I don't get this. How many records did Robert Quinn set? 

jetlife
jetlife

@juunit  He played in the SEC and took plays off last year to preserve himself, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit  I can't comment on that because I've only seen him play once.  To be honest, I was underwhelmed.  Taylor Lewan kept him mostly quiet and the one big highlight play he had (while impressively explosive) was a play anyone could make because the left guard blew his assignment.


He did say he wants to be an all-time great, so we'll see if he has it in him to work hard enough.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Indeed, just what I was thinking of.


This is impressive, as that was.  It doesn't necessarily project to anything on the field, but it's still incredible.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se We tried that already, 57. You followed me around, replied to most of my posts and tried to lure me into arguments. 

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet Yeah, it's one of my character flaws. I get into needless arguments and when I lock my jaws onto something, it's like trying to shake loose a pitbull or something. 



High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@Brendan @High$ocietyJet  actually just yesterday thinking to myself how much better the blog is when you guys get along, like I said you guys bring a lot to the discussions but get sided tracked when you guys feel the other is being condescending to each other

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet I've tried that more than once, for the record. Like, right now, actually. 


Whatevs. It's the offseason and we're getting new, quality commenters to talk with, I was just trying to relieve some akwardness with my last post. 

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@a57se @Brendan  I would disagree, I think you both bring alot to the blog from different perspectives you both just need to chill out. You guys are like a couple that won't get over past transgressions you need to clean the slate and start over lol

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Don't compare my discussions with you to my back-and-forths with Hanker. Hank and I are at a good place in our TJB relationship, we don't take each other seriously (hint hint) and it's been a lot better the past couple of months. In fact, I tend to enjoy clowning on Hank's crazy posts, and he knows how to roll with those comments. 


When I ignored you, as Levi stated, you still took it upon yourself to bait me continuously. Yesterday we had a number of perfectly respectful exchanges. Today, not once have I insulted you or baited you, I simply ask questions for the sake of discussion. 


Notice my interactions across this board, 57, then look at yours. Do I get into long, drawn out arguments with anyone else? No. Do you? That's a resounding yes. 


Maybe if you just stopped taking things so seriously, you'd stop jumping into attack mode. I dunno, just a thought. But I really don't think anything I've said warrants you lashing out like this. 

levi
levi

@a57se But when he ignored you you commented on every one of his posts. Maybe you should try a different approach if you want to be ignored. Just a thought. Im not looking to argue with anyone.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What the hell? 


You are a spectacle, 57. I think that's where we're at right now. 


Are you actually Nolan Nawrocki? Why in god's name are you this worked up because I posted a couple of articles that have been lambasted for being borderline racist (or racist, depending on your interpretation). Re-lax. Jesus. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes. And your second. And every comment that I reply to. Now you don't have to ask me this in the future! Progress!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Who is derailing? You brought up Nolan Nawrocki, who has a history of having very negative, very slanted "scouting reports." 


He's not worth the paper he prints his stories out on, imo. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "so important?" 



I just think it's our job to be accurate. He held himself out of certain drills, but he participated until the end, so those dives didn't keep him out of the drills that I think are most important for teams' evaluation (the ones where they actually play football), that's all I was saying. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, he kept participating in the pass catching drills. Mayock/Eisen said multiple times he was "heading over to the training table" only for Lee to continue running through all the pass catching drills. He didn't miss a rep. Not running in certain events isn't the same as not finishing. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yeah, diving on turf the way he does will leave you with some bumps and bruises. The fact that he kept participating after each time he hit the turf should quell more concerns than it creates, though. 

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 He also looked great catching the ball. He got like 5 errant throws in a row, laying out for them and making some highlight reel catches. I would be very happy with Lee at 18. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @a57seInteresting that the buzz is that Lee's 40 was disappointing...I thought his 40 time was exactly in line with I saw on tape...not elite speed, but good at the other parts of what makes a good WR.  Maybe he'll slide down to 18?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If I had to guess? The two of them identified this as one of those "57 is about to be really unreasonable" discussions and abandoned ship. 


My questions are not unreasonable, or meaningless, or anything. They're fair, and the fact that you can't answer them like an adult is your fault, not mine. 


Final point: broad jump matters. Is it not included because Beckham wasn't a leader in that? 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @a57seIsn't broad jump important to judge catch radius?  The problem for a57 is that ODB wasn't a top performer, while Lee and Watkins were.  IMO, Lee's Combine performance put him back into the "2nd WR taken in the draft" conversation, and I like ODB, even if he wasn't a top performer in broad jump.


Take Benjamin in the 2nd round and convert him to TE!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Now there's a reasonable response. 



"asking why you omitted a test from your comparison" =/= hassling you



All I'm doing is asking why you feel that's the one test besides bench press (which I agree is useless for this positional grouping) that shouldn't be counted. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se (this is the part where you should supply your supporting evidence)

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, I know where to find the data, your condescension is appreciated, as always. 


My point was that you're excluding something important for WR's. 


It's not just their ability to "power through a CB." Do WR's ever jump? Leap? Stretch out for an errant pass? Explosion isn't simply vertical. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They're equal, if anything. I just don't know how you ignore an event like that. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You cannot ignore broad jump, dude. It's the best indicator of explosiveness at the combine. 

juunit
juunit

It's probably the best measurement of athleticism in the combine. The best athletes are consistently the leaders in the broad jump.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Broad jump is leg explosion... Definitely still important (but there's a huge size advantage)

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit  No one is calling Clowney the best player in the NFL, either. 

juunit
juunit

Nobody was calling Quinn the best player in the NFL before he played a single snap in it.

juunit
juunit

I think he's overrated and he has all the makings of a historical bust. I wouldn't draft him and definitely not in the early first. But I think mostly I'm just balancing out how over-hyped he is. The way the media blows him is ridiculous.

jetlife
jetlife

@juunit  Did he take your girl or something? You seem to really have some beef with one of the most gifted athletes to come into the draft in awhile.

juunit
juunit

He took plays off because he was tired. He consistently started games on fire then visibly ran out of energy after the first drive or 2. He picks on weak OTs (4.5 sacks in 2012 came against Clemson in one game.) His average snap to sack time in 2012 was almost 4 seconds. He is massively overrated.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Yeah, I would not complain at all. A 3rd down package of Coples - Sheldon - Wilkerson - Clowney is just an absolute nightmare. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @SackDance99I've said it before and I know most of the TJB faithful would scream, but I'd trade up for Clowney.  Give this generation's best defensive mind the most talented defensive player that I've seen in a long time.  I know it doesn't address any of the offensive needs and the price would be high, but Clowney added to the Sons and Coples?  Maybe that's when Brady starts thinking hanging with Giselle in Brazil is better than having his brains scrambled.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Jesus. Clowney with Rex as his mentor? Good gracious. 



Nope...not even entertaining that. That's just being cruel to myself. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Georgia Southern RB who destroyed Florida in GSU's big win and was a QB, too.  There's hardly any tape on him...classic sleeper.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Rex would get it out of him...Mo and Coples both had the "he takes plays off" tag.  Plus, money is the best motivation and rookies now play for their 2nd contract.  What you hope is that he develops good habits and that carries through his career.  Then, again, LT is the greatest defensive player that I've ever seen and his practice habits were, to put it mildly, poor.  But, on the field he was a transformative, ground-breaking beast.  Clowney has freakish athleticism, great size (83" wing span) and real skills.  I bet Rex would love a chance to work on him.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57seExcept that when he's at his best, Clowney is a dominant player.  The 40 time is just an objective factor confirming the subjective analysis of his tape...he can bull or edge rush and can explode into a tackle...and he's a great tackler.  IMO, he's, by far, the best player in the draft.  I was also blown away by Lewan's athleticism...another guy whose objective Combine numbers confirmed the tape.


And, I have a new favorite sleeper at RB, Jerick McKinnon.  He was probably the best overall RB at the Combine (I also watched him in the drills, smooth as silk):


Broad Jump 11'0" T-2nd; Vertical Jump 40'5" 3rd; Bench Press 32 reps T-8th; 40-yard dash 4.41 sec. 6th.

Exactly what you want from a 3d down/passing RB...speed, explosiveness and the strength to give a good punch in pass pro.