Daily Links: About a Boyd

  • Cimini: Boyd getting playing time would be “bad sign for the Jets” [ESPN New York]
  • More on Dwight Jones’ release [iSportsWeb]
  • Which Jet is the season hinging on? [Sports on Earth]
  • Jets and Giants split on vote to expand playoffs from 2015 [NY Daily News]
  • Curtis Martin receives father of the year award [Star Ledger]



120 comments
beers22
beers22

That's some great insight from Cimini! Guess that's why they pay him the big bucks.

machoking
machoking

Having Cimini draw up bad situations that will most likely not happen, bodes well for us.  That means he hates the fact that we look good and that Idzik has done a pretty nice job to this point. 

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

You missed this link - http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000351819/2014-Coaches-Roundtable-Family


It's an NFL.com interview w/ a panel of head coaches - Rex, Coughlin, John Harbaugh, and Bruce Arians - talking about how they balance work and life, and @ the 4:30 mark they bring up Rex skipping cut down day to go to Clemson to watch his son play and how the media blasted him, and they show the Daily News back page that day. What's great is ALL all the coaches unanimously rip into the News and John Harbaugh even goes so far as to say "It just goes to show you how ignorant whomever the person is who wrote that." Loved it. 

williamg1
williamg1

Speaking of the "Father of the Year" award....


2007 Father of the Year winner: ....John Edwards. 

Pat d
Pat d

Joey is concerned that the Jets won't be able to defend against the deep pass. I am concerned that the Jets offense will lack in a deep pass attack. Hopefully Evans will be what we need. I doubt if the answer is Hill.

Pete 57
Pete 57

That was posted yesterday

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Pat d  Hill will do good this season, I think he may not meet the original expectations, but will turn out to be a serviceable player, someone who can make a big play once in blue moon.  This offense will be predicated on the short passing game, thus the name West Coast Offense, only difference is, will have more running plays then usual, and a few deep plays per games.  The Defense will not be scored on, I predict the defense will Average 6 to 10 points per game.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Pat D I was actually thinking about this today, Hill is not the answer, hopefully Ford stays healthy and MM will be able to draw up some deep passes for him? In Philly  MM was great at targeting safeties with specific route combos attack deep down the field. I have faith that with the right combination of skillsets on our offense he'll be able to do the same thing.

Pat d
Pat d

6 to 10 points allowed per game. That would be like the best defense ever. Without an elite pass rusher that will not happen.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Pablo Bruno We need more consistency from players, that "once in a blue moon" stuff can't fly anymore. Either he's consistent or he doesn't play.  The players around Hill don't change Hill the player, He still has a longgggg way to go to even be considered a better option than any of the rookies right now. He's been asked to step up and failed multiple times, can't rely on him for much of anything. I'll change my tone on Hill when I see him confidently and constistently catch the ball with his hands. Until I see that he's not an NFL receiever to me.

bobbyj
bobbyj

I'm not done w/Hill yet. Part of the problem w/Hills devolpment is that at times he's been asked to do to much. As a rookie I was pleased to see that he was able to get off the line/press & he seemed to be progressing, then Holmes goes down, I believed Kerely got hurt too, Hill then becomes #1 receiver...between that & injuries, an offense ( if you wanted to call it an offense ) that sucked, I think it's hard to pass final judgment on the kid. Would like to see what Hill can do w/a tight end running down the center & Vick w/ that cannon of an arm can do

tsjc68
tsjc68

@gbrownn  Of course, there's an excellent chance that neither Ford nor Hill make the team.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@SackDance99

Agreed!  The Post had  Leonard Lewin, Larry Merchant, Milton Gross and a complement of sports writers who while objective, were proud of the NY teams, not to strip them down.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@SackDance99 @tsjc68@joemustgo@bonozoffa NYT of twenty years ago would be ashamed of NYT today.  NYC dailies are terrible...but that's what's happening everywhere thanks to media consolidation and the death of the print medium in general as a moneymaker (no more money to pay real journos).

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @SackDance99@joemustgo@bonozoffaI wouldn't know whether any of New York's dailies are great places to work.  Even the NYT has been dinged by Jill Abramson.  I'll say this much, the quality of writing, especially in the Op/Ed sections, has never been worse than today.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@SackDance99 @tsjc68 @joemustgo @bonozoffa  Meh, both sports sections are filled with hacks.


My comment about the Post was less sports-centric, though, and more overall-paper-centric.  I know some people who work for those papers, and they all have some not-nice things to say about them, but the people employed by the Post are more disgruntled about their employer than the NYDN folks.


Just anecdotal, take it for what you will.  In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

@jaygo i do. i actually cancelled my espn insider and made it known to them that cimini was why i was cancelling and i only bring up manish when he does something funny and gets called out for it, like he did here. but can't do much when i come to a jets news refuge like TJB and they post links to their crap. it's almost as nauseating, if not insulting, to me as a jets fan.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @joemustgo@bonozoffaIMO, the Post has always had a better sports section.  The NYDN specializes in a-hole columnists that are vicious towards various NY sports teams.  Back in the day, Dick Young single-handedly drove Tom Seaver out of New York.  Cimini, Manis, Myers, Dick Young, etc.  Way worse than the Post sportswriters.

a57se
a57se

Talking about the media, I was listening to the local sports radio here in Houston the other day and they were going over the LVH over/under on Wins for this season and for each team the radio guys were picking the over or under.....when they got to the Jets at 7 they IMMEDIATELY said OVER without any question. I was kind of surprised but apparently, the media perception of the Jets isn't all bad.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@bonozoffa  The NYDN is a joke in general, not just their sports coverage. It must be a horrible place to work for anyone with a shred of dignity or journalistic integrity.

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

i think it was adam schein who once expressed respect for the ny daily news sports team, but perfectly described their jets coverage as "pure fiction". it's truly a joke. a bad one.

Pete 57
Pete 57

Absolutely. Those are the kinds of things that should be posted here.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bonozoffa @williamg1 @Pete 57  Manish Mehta is rapidly becoming America's Most Infamously Bad Columnist.  Everyone is ragging on him (and with good reason).

bonozoffa
bonozoffa

@williamg1 @Pete 57  If it was mentioned, it was in the comments. should have been a daily link. if anything, its better than that cimini crap piece.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Well, in a 16-game season, the 2000 Ravens gave up only 165 points, which are the fewest for a 16-game season.  So, it would be fair to say that no team since 1978 (when the NFL switched to a 16 game season) has had a defense that, on average, allowed between 6 to 10 points per game.

That is an accurate post SD.......

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jsnooka Well, in a 16-game season, the 2000 Ravens gave up only 165 points, which are the fewest for a 16-game season.  So, it would be fair to say that no team since 1978 (when the NFL switched to a 16 game season) has had a defense that, on average, allowed between 6 to 10 points per game.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @jsnookaAnd, for a57se's benefit, I was stating opinion, making an argument.  It was clear from my statement and a57se states opinion all the time.  If you don't want to engage in argument, fine.  But, whatever you think about the Falcons defense, it just wasn't better than the Steelers' '76 defense.  

Now, I can prove that as a fact, by using better statistical metrics, like the fact that the Steelers faced stiffer competition, had more shutouts, led the NFL in both points allowed and fewest yards (Falcons were 2nd in '77).  Then, I would make my presentation to a panel of experts, who would find, as a matter of fact, that the Steelers were, in fact, the better defense.  That's how our jury system works.  You present facts, like I just did, and those facts are weighed in favor of one side or the other.


So, get off your high horse.  Mr. Facts, what a crock!

a57se
a57se

@jsnooka  

Yes I was and I am just stating a simple fact. 

For SD's sake i will break it down:

Fact: the Atlanta Falcons gave up 129 points in 14 regular season games which averages to 9.21 points per game. That is the LEAST amount of points per Game ever recorded for an NFL team in a 14 game regular season.

Opinion: The 1976 Steelers had the best defense EVAH!


When I state a FACT, I am not stating an OPINION. 

When I state an OPINION, I am not stating a FACT.

jsnooka
jsnooka

I think he was referring to the defense scoring 6 to 10 pts.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99So, are you saying the Falcons' '77 defense was the best ever?  I'm making a different point, that stats in a vacuum are meaningless.  The Falcons' feat, while impressive, is like claiming that Cy Young is the best pitcher of all time because he has the most wins or Pete Rose the best hitter because he has the most hits.  I guess because the Broncos scored the most points ever by a team last season, their offense was the best ever.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

That is great but it doesn't change the simple fact that they allowed the fewest points in a 14 game season in NFL history.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

Like I said, I was just presenting a fact........I was not making any value judgments.......there have been many great defenses over the years.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99And, they pitched 5 shutouts.  They really came together as a team after Bradshaw got injured.  And, if you believe the Falcons were better, you can believe whatever you want to believe, too.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

I was just presenting a fact........you can believe whatever you want.

That Steeler team started the season 1-4 but amazingly only gave up 28 points over their last 9 games!!!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@SackDance99 @a57se  That Falcons team only gave up 9.6 ppg... and only scored 12.8 ppg.


Their two QBs that year--Scott Hunter and a young Steve Bartkowski--each had Tebowian sub-50% completion percentages.


Their #1 RB was something named "Haskel Stanback".


I'm not even mad, that's amazing.  

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se And, they didn't make the playoffs!  For my money, the Steelers 1976 team was more impressive because they had better competition in allowing just 138 points.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Pat d  


Without an elite pass rusher that will not happen.


A healthy Coples + a healthy Barnes = an elite pass rusher

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

The 1977 Atlanta Falcons allowed only 129 points to be scored against them in 14 games.....9.2 points per game, that is the best in the modern NFL.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@bobbyj The problem with Hills development is that he never should have been selected in the first place. He was overdrafted. He is what he always was. What does it matter if he's the number 1 or number 5 option, the guy can't catch the ball consistently. He didnt in college, and he can't in the league.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@NYCPEinGermany @tsjc68 @gbrownn  


I suppose I'd say I think there's a 70% chance that we carry one of the two of them (Hill and Ford) on the roster, but that it's a near-tossup between the two.


I think Hill has a slightly better chance of making it, but not by much.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Pat D Really, Why? The only thing I can think that may hold him back is his size, but no doubt he has the speed to get behind some people. Plays alot faster than he ran.

Pat d
Pat d

I don't see Saunders as the deep threat

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@tsjc68 @gbrownn  

really - excellent chance? I was thinking more like 50/50 for each.


Not meaning to nitpick choice of words, just wondering if you really think it likely that neither make it. 


I feel like Idzik would like to go receiver heavy on the roster, both because of recent injury woes and as because we don't know yet who will shine (assuming someone will).

gbrownn
gbrownn

@tsjc68 Then the title of "most dangerous deep threat on the team" would go to Saunders. Which I don't have a problem with at all either. Same outcome though, MM will have more viable "weapons" to expose safties deep and keep pressure on dbs to play back. Ford is the only receiver currently that has "world class" speed, that transfers to the football field which is why he's the first name that comes to mind when I think a designated deep threat on the roster. I'm not saying Decker, Saunders, and Evans are slow, but 4.28 is a diff level you know what I mean.