Daily Links: As the Cro flies …

  • Cutting Cromartie was an eventuality. [NY Post]
  • CB Vontae Davis could get a deal AAV of nearly $10 million from the Colts. [SI]
  • Woody Johnson’s statement on William Clay Ford’s passing. [NJ]
  • The Dolphins are expressing interest in Jairus Byrd. [RapSheet]
  • The Jets might be interested in Jon Asamoh, but will he land in the ATL? [Adam Caplan]
  • Bill Polian rated the Jets free agents … how he rated them?  Well … [ESPN]
  • PFF has an awesome top 75 free agent list. [PFF]



73 comments
Bent
Bent moderator

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How happy would Brady be if his team signed a guy who very publicly called him an a-hole?

bradysucks
bradysucks

The #1 priority in free agency is to upgrade the offense......Emanuelle Sanders and James Jones would be ideal. Then go get MJD



kniff
kniff

We would do well to sign Verner, Asamoah, and Tate asap....then we can play the waiting game with any other FAs we might covet.


machoking
machoking

Verner is the guy. We need to grab him and Asomuah (sp) for our O-line, then build through the draft. If we can pull that off, we would def. be on the right path.

Brendan
Brendan

Sign Verner at $10-$11 million per for 5 years. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent  This is just like the Revis-to-Pats rumors before people reminded Pats fans that Revis doesn't like Belichick at all, either. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  This nickname is turrible, I don't get why you keep using it. 

harold
harold

@kniff


Lot of competition for Asamoah and Verner.  We need to cast a wide net with the money we have to spend.  We cant focus on just one or two guys or you will wind up overspending.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@machoking  

The Jets need playmakers more than they need anything else........and that should be addressed first. Verner would be great though......We can easily find a guard in the draft

harold
harold

Brendan 11 million is too much for Verner. 10 million is max and for me. If Milliner is as good as he looked in the last month. Give me Brown for 6-7 million in this new luxury CB market.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@MarshRandy @bradysucks  


and yet MJD will kick your arse and run over you like a bowling ball making you silly puddy with nasty whopper on top (lol)


People underestimate how strong MJD is and how his low center of gravity makes him extremely difficult for taller guys to wrap up and tackle.....

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks People need to get over this linear thinking where the team moves from one person to the next. They employ an entire roster for a front office so they can multi-task. 


Sign Verner, sign playmakers, sign an OL or two, and do it all at once. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  It's a difference of $1 million, $5 million if he plays the entire course of the contract. He's the best CB on the market, he's been the best CB on the market the entire time, if the Jets have to pay $1 million more per season to lock down a #1 CB, you do it. QB, LT, DE, CB, those are the big four, right? A marginal-at-best overpay is acceptable when it's an elite talent at one of those spots. Brown isn't as good as Verner and he's four years older. No thanks. 

__fense
__fense

@a57se @bradysucks @Brendan  That's the difference, not the fact that the front offices are different.. This year, the moves aren't mutually exclusive, so we don't have to wait and see if one deal happens to know if we're able to do others. We could have talked to Brad Smith while going after Nnamdi, but if we succeeded in signing one, then we would have to give up on the other.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks @Brendan 

We didn't have the money to sign Nnamdi AND pursue the other guys in 2011 BS, the situation this year is quite different as we have plenty of money to sign several high profile guys if we wanted to......

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks  


You obviously don't remember how much time the team spent trying to sign Nnmadi Asoughmai who ended up signing with the Eagles........That wasted time ended up costing the team players like Brad Smith who didn't want to wait around for the Jets.......Free agency happens quickly and teams have to move quickly.....


It is all well and good to say the Jets can give all areas and positions equal priority in free agency but the reality is that this is Idzik's show and he will focus in on his "prime" targets 1st. He will talk to those guys first and attempt to sign those guys......There is a pecking order



Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  Dude, listing the rankings of past teams doesn't mean anything for the sake of this discussion. 


You acted like the team can only focus on one major move at a time, which isn't true. They can sign Verner while talking to Sanders and Jones and sign all three on the same day and that wouldn't be the least bit surprising. 


They have people running all over the country and talking to all sorts of agents. You can't think of it as "A, then B, then C, then D....." It's A, B, C, D, E and F....then G, H, I, J, K, L." 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks  


Well considering the Jets had the 30th ranked passing offense 2 years straight which is an embarassment to say the least I would certainly prioritize offense......


I like Verner and want him on the Jets but I genuinely believe that Rex can put together a good defense with just about any NFL roster......Rex is that good of a defensive mind and that creative......


So I like linear........but  I understand that 2 years straight of the 30th ranked passing offense in the NFL is unacceptable and really should be addressed first and foremost by our GM


As a GM you need to address the team's weakest area in order to improve and offense is that area......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se All I'm asking is who you'd prefer the Jets sign. I'm not going to debate Verner vs. The Guy 57 Wants. I have zero doubts that Rex can use Verner to the best of his abilities, mainly because under Rex Cro had his best coverage season ever. I don't need to sell you on the idea that Rex can make use of anyone on defense, you should know that by now. 


All I asked was who your ideal signing would be at CB, or, if you don't want to sign anyone, who your ideal draftee is. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Like I have told you before today, I am not getting into one of your silly arguments about who is better......I don't care how friggin' good Verner is or not, he is a bail Tech CB that doesn't fit the Jets D IN MY OPINION!

If you disagree with my opinion, which you have clearly stated, I am fine with that...I don't need to debate it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I've said a couple times before that I'd be cool with drafting Dennard, so obviously going the rookie route is not something I'm completely against. 


But you said Verner isn't the best CB, so I wondered who you think is better. 


And if you want to go the "draft a CB" route, is Roby your guy? You would go into this season with Milliner/Walls/Roby (or other rookie)/Wilson/Lankster/6th CB (whoever wins the camp battle)? That seems dicey to me. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

We don;t HAVE to sign anyone. Who knows what the ID is planning? I don't and neither do the media.......

He may sign a lower tier FA and draft Roby out of Ohio St. and call it a day at CB.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Haha, okay. Good players take advantage of poor play the same way good teams take advantage of poor play. 


You still haven't answered my question on who you would prefer, btw. The team has to sign someone, who would be your preference? 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Yes it will.....all this talk is meaningless until things actually happen. I think a few folks are setting themselves up to be disappointed.

Brendan
Brendan

@greggreen They have some really good tape on Verner from this past season when he ran circles around the Jets' receivers. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  I think Rex is more than happy to play the same defense if it's working.  That's more or less what they did when they simplified things late in the season by getting Reed to play single high.


Verner plays press bail because that's the Titans system.  Who knows how he would fare in a more versatile role?


Like I said, Verner would be replacing Cromartie and Rex did fine with Cromartie.  It will be interesting to see if they seriously chase him.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What did he do with Revis and Cro, then? Think of Verner as Cro and Milliner as Revis. Milliner is a physical corner, Verner is a finesse corner. 


And Rex didn't have overly-physical corners in Baltimore, either. He just needs guys who can mark their man and stay with him. 

a57se
a57se

@greggreen @Bent@a57se 

We chased Asomoghua until he picked the Eagles.....I trust Rex for a lot of things but his judgment isn't fool proof.

Look at Derek Mason, Nnamdi etc.

greggreen
greggreen

@a57se @Bent  Im sure rex and his staff have been watching film on verner for a long time. We need to trust his evaluation on a defensive player. Especially one with 4 years nfl experience 

greggreen
greggreen

@Bent @a57se  I think at this point, if rex is going after a defensive player. He fits the system

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

How long do you think Rex would play the same defense over and over? That is just not in his genetic make-up. You can't match up CB's with Verner like he used to do with Revis and Cro....and he'll pay the price if he tries, which you know he will.

I may be all wet here but I think Verner would be a mistake.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  If Milliner is playing press man with no safety help then Verner could bail every single time, have inside safety support and play to his strengths.  Maybe that's the plan, who knows?


Cromartie is also very limited as a CB, not a good tackler or very physical, but he paired effectively with Revis.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Who would you rather have, 57? 


And also, comparing 30 year old Aso to 25 year old Verner makes zero sense. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

What technique does Verner almost exclusively use? 

Bail Technique where he has safety help inside. He is very limited as a CB. He is not a good tackler or very physical. He is a one trick pony who is very good at his one trick but that is all he is. How did Asomoghua do out of Oakland? I think Verner will have similar results unless people play him like they did in Tenn.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  I know you don't think Verner is a good fit because he doesn't (yet) play a lot of press coverage, but haven't we learned by now that nobody is a bad fit in Rex's defense because it's flexible enough that you can play to everyone's strengths?


The Jets signed Cromartie and had a lot of success despite his inability to play press because they had Revis to press on the other side.  Verner is a smart guy and I'm sure IF the Jets target him it's because they can play to his strength (and anticipate Milliner developing into a guy they can press with).  If they don't then it's probably because of similar reservations to the ones you have (although maybe it's just money).

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se  Sign Verner and this defense becomes elite. Forget about the right fit or he doesn't press. With our pass rush and DMIll becoming even better it will be awfully hard to pass on us. Throw in some Reed and we're done. Maybe upgrade ILB to make Harold happy.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se *Verner


And list the CB's you think are better that are going to be UFA's. That means Shields and Davis are not eligible. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @harold 

I agree with Harold. 

Separate opinion, Verner is NOT the best CB who hit the market. He has flaws to his game and doesn't really fit our system. I really hope someone else blows him away because I think us signing him would be a big mistake.

greggreen
greggreen

@Brendan @harold  Also add the fact that we have leverage in wilkerson negotiations because we have the 5th year option plus the ability to franchise him in the 6th year 

greggreen
greggreen

@harold @greggreen  ok calm down buddy lol. Im just saying that when you are bidding for a player on a open market more times then not its the team willing to go the most years or the highest money. Its the price of free agency. Your evaluation of the player doesnt matter, its what the league values. Verner is gonna get around 10mil, its what the market is asking for. other teams are gonna offer him that money and if the jets want him on their team, they need to pay the asking price. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Disagree. How much you pay FA Alterraun Verner won't impact what you pay non-FA Muhammad Wilkerson. 

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


They do and they will.  This is a team sport.  The guys we have coming along all play premier positions.  So we will have to overpay later as well if we start that now.

harold
harold

@greggreen @harold


Semantics?  I am talking market value.  That is it. Did Aaaron Rodgers hit the market?  Did Drew Brees?  They all got market contracts setting contracts.  You are talking a lot but your points are not solid.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Part of my thinking is that other players won't really raise an eyebrow to an All-Pro CB netting $11 million. That's a premier position that elite players get paid a lot to play. Edge rushers, QBs and top-tier skill position guys are really the only ones who make more than CB's, with LT's on the same level. 

harold
harold

@greggreen @harold


Really the market said Revis needed 16 million last year, right?  You are making little sense right now.  There was only one team who would pay him.  That is not a market that is a suitor.  We don't need to be silly and bid against ourselves because one team is willing to overspend. 


Look at the teams that have overspent, they rarely win. 

greggreen
greggreen

@harold @greggreen  The market dictates salaries. If you want the player you need to pay the price the market demands 

harold
harold

@greggreen @harold



That is not good logic.  The Vikings just gave Everson Griffen a 42.5 million dollar contract and he has one career start.  Is that not overspending?


Just because someone else will pay someone a salary doesn't mean it is wise. 

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


Brendan I am with you, one million in a vacuum is not terrible.  But in team sports things rarely take place in a vacuum.  When you have so many young guys coming behind you open Pandora box.  You must be very careful and that is my point.

harold
harold

@greggreen @harold


It is not about the cap it is about precedent.  You start over spending and everyone only comes to your team if you over pay them.  I am not a cheap guy, I just view things long term and cap space tomorrow can easily be taken by a few bad contracts.

greggreen
greggreen

@harold  top corner money is 9-12 mil a year, hes a top corner. also its not like we dont have the money 1 mill isnt gonna kill our cap

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  I'm saying you overpay. The team probably doesn't see paying a 25 year old All-Pro at one of the most important positions on an NFL roster a top contract to be "overpaying." $16 million is overpaying for an elite CB. $11 million isn't. 

harold
harold

Then you overpay 1.5 million for Mo because he is a homegrown All Pro and then 2 million because Sheldon is a future Hall of Famer etc.. You dont overpay for guys just because, if we feel the need to sweeten the deal give more upfront, don't overpay imo.