Daily Links: Bowled over




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jaygo
jaygo

Reading the posts below reminded me its Friday the 13th

bob
bob

I want to go to Sweden and buy a cup cake.

Bent
Bent moderator

More posts to come this afternoon (and the TJB chat of course) but I have to respond to Fonzie's latest attempt to pick apart my BGA which he left in the Wilkerson thread:


"You mentioned in your BGA on coples that his role compares to Terrell Suggs, yet you fail to mention that Suggs has played left outside linebacker and right outside linebacker and right defensive end. "


So has Coples.  They both get moved around the front seven, which is why I highlighted their roles as being the same.


"Coples has played on the weakside last year or right outside linebacker. "


ROLB is not necessarily the weakside.  I think you're confusing weakside with blindside which would of course always be ROLB (unless the QB is left handed).  The weakside is dictated by how the offensive formation is lined up and therefore could be left or right.  Sure enough, Coples played both sides.


"See he (Coples) fails in coverage and it is not limited to having a tight end on his side in a three point stance (the tight that is). The tight end usually lines up on the strongside but can also line up away from the line altogether on EITHER side (either standing up for example in the slot)."


Again, Coples is usually on the weakside.  If there's a tight end on his side, then he's on the strong side unless there are TEs on both sides or he started off on the weakside and a tight end motioned across.  Even if either of those things happen the Jets can still cover the tight end with an ILB or safety and that's what they would usually do.  If the TE goes in motion you'll often see that player go with him or the zone alignment will reset.


"This means a player like Gronkowski who can move anywhere on the line of scrimmage can line up on Coples side and blow right past him regardless if it is on the weakside."


Which is why the Jets would put an ILB or safety onto Gronk instead, leaving Coples to rush the passer most of the time. 


"If coples main responsibility is to "rush" then we must give a better sample for comparison. You mention Julius Peppers and Mario William whom both you failed to mention have played at left defensive end and right defensive end  in their careers. Coples hasn't even sniffed them."


Suggs is a perfect comparison.  Williams and Peppers are decent ones too.  I didn't say he was as good as those guys, but if he produces like he did over the second half of the season, he'll be in the same league.


"Not to mention they both have more pass deflections and sacks than Coples. A good comparison is to compare Coples to Jason Taylor. Taylor has played both as a linebacker and as a defensive end in his career. Taylor has played on the strongside and weakside as a linebacker and recorded more interceptions, sacks, and pass deflections during those years."


No, Taylor is a bad comparison because he became much more versatile and was effective at dropping into coverage, whereas the way the Jets use Coples, they don't need him to do that much (yet) and he can still be effective.


"Coples has failed to demonstrate this kind of impact. He doesn't have the quickness or instincts to drop back."


Which doesn't matter for the reasons stated above.


"You mentioned on your BGA that Shaun Ellis for a brief time played outside linebacker for the jets in 2007 however he never started for the jets at outside linebacker. "


I never said he did.


"He had a few plays each game to play back to confuse the quarterback."


Well, no, it wasn't a few plays a game, it was 93 in six games (more per game than Coples played as an OLB last year) and it wasn't to confuse the QB because they lined up with their base alignment.


"In reference to the Steelers game in which the jets surprised the steelers Eric Mangini knew that he could outcoach Mike Tomlin and used the element of surprise when he had Ellis drop back to better complement his 3-4 scheme.  Most of the success was due to Dwayne Robertson's motor as he was all over the field on that game collecting two and a half sacks. "


But you said Robertson was terrible and used him as an excuse for Revis in my last BGA.


"However it was not a solution as the rest of the season and including against the cowboys on thanksgiving the jets were forced  to play their base scheme with the cowboys game in particular the cowboys blocking them at the line of scrimmage and running the ball down their throats. Any hint to what Coples might do as a rush linebacker is in fact that he plays (and with the weight loss this year) a linebacker. He is not a defensive end and he will continue to struggle mightily as a linebacker."


Sorry, but a rush linebacker role is more similar to a defensive end and the defense did play well over the remainder of the season.  They're going to continue to use Coples in ways he can perform well and make solid contributions.


No offense, but everything you ever tell me is something I already knew and have made reference to, or is totally wrong.

jetlife
jetlife

@Bent I think the blog needs to collectively ignore Hank and Joey...it seriously clutters the blog with arguments with children.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent This guy never quits.  Which is ironic, because neither does Quinton Coples.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent It's like trying to reason with a bag of cement. 

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob 

LOL i dont know I  hear there all good.. I eat them all up. Dats right.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Can he please, please, pretty please go to a team that doesn't demand I hate him? Because liking Gronk would be so much fun. 

bob
bob

@Brendan      maybe butter scotch. I like  da butter scotch

levi
levi

@bob  Pick me up some meatballs while you are there please.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

I feel like at this point it's too late to like him. Too much time as a Pat to get over. I do feel bad for him though, since he keeps getting hurt. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Marcus Armstrong @Bent

Well, let's look at the commenting guidelines.


In no event will SNY.tv tolerate comments containing racist, homophobic, sexist or any other form of hate-speech commentary.

Hank's guilty of that, on numerous occasions.


Readers are advised to stay on topic and refrain from making comments stating “how you’re sick of this topic” or that the content is not newsworthy.  In order to maintain the quality of SNY.tv’s commenting forums, off-topic comments may be removed.

And Fonzie's guilty of not staying on topic.  On numerous occasions.


There you go.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Here comes TJB's Johnny Cochran. Defender of those who cannot defend themselves!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bob @Brendan

All of this is the type of "off-topic" commentary that is totally acceptable, btw.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi And some blondes, if you don't mind. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Well, they haven't really won anything yet. If he gets some hardware, that's too far to go back for me. But now? He's just a jolly goon who hasn't won anything yet. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se

Based on the second guidline you posted, a lot of people should be banned from this site including well known moderators.....

bob
bob

@tsjc68 @bob @Brendan 

Dats  right tsjc68 da little dog got da king size brain dats right.  da dis way dat way play...

levi
levi

@Brendan  Unshaven from what I hear. Im not fussy though.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

I dunno, I equate all the best players on teams like the Pats/Dolphins/etc. to Chipper Jones, so I am physically required to hate them all. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 If he signed with the Jets tomorrow, I'd be stepping over women and children to get his jersey. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Sure, which is why things like that are judged on an intensity scale.


Veer off topic on occasion, but mainly abide by the rules and discuss Jets-related things?  I doubt anyone would try to ban you.


If all you EVER do is go off topic to legislate long-dead tangents that nobody else is talking about?  That's off-topic trolling.


I can't recall Hank's "Fonzie" character EVER doing ANYTHING but talk about the Mangini-era Jets and how they were better than the Rex-era Jets in some way or another.


Your off-topic Rangers asides are like 5-10% of your commentary.  Fonzie's 2007-Jets-asides are like 95% of his commentary.


All he does is post off topic crap.  Old flamewars with Bent.

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se 

Or they are actually trolling. 


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's not what happens here, if it was people would be asking for everyone to get banned and accuse everyone of trolling. But they're not, that's reserved for Team Hank because they've been doing it for literally years. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bob @tsjc68 @Brendan

They're not cupcakes from Sweden, but how about some cupcake lollipops from Brooklyn?


http://fabipops.com/


(DISCLAIMER: this company is owned/run by a friend of mine.  Yes, this is a blatant and shameless business pitch, not unlike Joey hyping up his boy Chris Aglieri.  Sue me, her cupcake pops are DELICIOUS.)

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I'm just picturing women that look like the Swedish team from Beerfest. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Oh, that's unfair to Chipper. He spent over a decade trolling Mets fans. I hope he rots in the 7th circle of Hell for eternity, but I respect the hustle in that regard. The guy named his fcking kid "Shea." Gronk isn't that clever, he'd just throw a rock through the Jets' facility window or something and chuckle to himself while guzzling Natty Lites. 


Or, in terms of action movies, Chipper is the evil mastermind, Gronk is the muscle. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Who keeps bringing up the Mississippi Delta blues or a ton of other crap that isn't being discussed?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You have accused at least 8 different people of trolling over the past year and have actively tried to get several posters banned. 

Most of the people you have tried to get banned are people you just disagreed with.

juunit
juunit

I do live under a bridge though.

levi
levi

@tsjc68  Ive never heard of such a thing but Im a huge fan of food on a stick.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 My friend is one of the higher-ups in Baked By Melissa's corporate office. I would "be in the neighborhood" and stop by for a small box WAY too much for my own good. I'll pass this along to some of my friends out in BK, they're always looking for some new foodstuffs to try. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

Haha that's a great analogy. 

Now I'm picturing him with a weather creating machine that he uses just so he can go rescue his buddies on an ATV in a snow storm. 

WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU REALLY ARE... LARRY!

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Brendan @juunit 

You have to respect a guy willing to f*** Tebow just to take his virginity.

Wow, 26 years old and still a virgin.  He better buy some cats and just call it.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Who constantly fills the Blog with stupid videos of cartoon characters and dumb songs or NZ HAkas that have absolutely nothing to do with Football?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 Again, "an off-topic joke" or "an off-topic aside" is not the same thing as "doing NOTHING but bringing up off-topic flamewars".


We all have violated the off-topic rule, all of us.  


Fonzie does NOTHING but violate that rule.  It's the only thing he posts about.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se But how many people have I asked to be banned? Let's remember I'm the one making the request here.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Lol, "at least 8 different people" 


You keep a list of people I call troll? 


And who did I try to get banned that wasn't trolling. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Everyone here, you fun-hating curmudgeon. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@tsjc68 @a57se 

  • 3 or 4 ripe bananas, smashed
  • 1/3 cup melted butter
  • 1 cup sugar (can easily reduce to 3/4 cup)
  • 1 egg, beaten
  • 1 teaspoon vanilla
  • 1 teaspoon baking soda
  • Pinch of salt
  • 1 1/2 cups of all-purpose flour
Method

No need for a mixer for this recipe. Preheat the oven to 350°F (175°C). With a wooden spoon, mix butter into the mashed bananas in a large mixing bowl. Mix in the sugar, egg, and vanilla. Sprinkle the baking soda and salt over the mixture and mix in. Add the flour last, mix. Pour mixture into a buttered 4x8 inch loaf pan. Bake for 1 hour. Cool on a rack. Remove from pan and slice to serve.


a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

You do that crap MORE then joey posts links to articles you don't like.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan

And missing the point at the same time.


Do I post a ton of stuff about movie links and rap songs?  Yes.


Did you post a ton of stuff about the Rangers during this Stanley Cup run, 57?  Yes, you did.


Did Bob post a ton of stuff about California Chrome? Yes.


Does Fonzie post a ton of stuff about Dewayne Robertson and David Harris and Eric Barton and the other members of Mangini's Jets?  Yes.


All of them are off topic.


The only one of those people the blog has an interest in banning is Fonzie, because HE DOESN'T EVER ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE CONVERSATION, EVER.


Being off topic is a rule that can be broken, with toleration, if it's not all you do.


If it's all you ever do, you're a troll and banning you is appropriate.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No you're not. You may think you are, but you're not. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 No one, 57 is making more sht up to try and paint his combatants in a negative light. 


Once in a while, Spent teeters on the decency line, and Bent actually gave him a temp-ban once (I think) for overstepping. People get rubbed the wrong way by his comments, and occasionally someone random will call him out for trolling, but the regulars all know him and his special brand of humor by now. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan 

It looks to me like you want the Blog to run a certain way and anyone who doesn't fit in that vision, you want to ban.


a57se
a57se

@Brendan @williamg1 

you were one of those people who got rubbed the wrong way early on.........and you pushed for his banning in the chat room with bent.

i have an excellent memory for important things.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And you remind me of an old man screaming at kids riding their bikes past his house to get off his lawn. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "i have an excellent memory for important things. "


LOL. Just like I was the one who followed Joey around telling him to shut up? Oh, wait, Joey confirmed that wasn't me (like you accused me of), but was in fact you. 


It wouldn't shock me if you, at one time, asked for Spent's banning as well. I've always been the one to remind people Spent's comments are not to be taken too seriously. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Well guess what? the blog was just fine when you weren't here........ it isn't yours or Brendans' to mold the way you want.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You did and you inspired me to do the same when Joey was getting ridiculous.


I have NEVER asked for anyone to be banned and have ALWAYS opposed that.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Can you stop insinuating by asking for civil discourse we're trying to "mold the blog the way we want." 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 And the blog will be even better when Hankzie is gone, in all likelihood.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Stop. Take responsibility for your own actions for once. You literally followed Joey around and said "Shut up Joey!" after every comment. I never did this, I just disagreed with him by laying out in detail how he was wrong. 


Don't you dare act like I sunk to your level of behavior, the target of these comments even confirmed this (and he's in agreement with you exponentially more than he is with me). 

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se I like Joey. He can be a pain in the azz, but takes the attacks on him like a sport. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Civil Discourse 'pumpkin'?

You got to be joking Brendan.......you are the biggest violator of civil discourse.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You are lying Brendan you started the Shut Up joey campaign and I followed when I felt it was appropriate. you were actively campaigning to ban him, which I did not want to do.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se With you, 57, because frankly you don't deserve that from me, you don't even try to have civil discussions with me anymore. 


Look at my conversations with anyone else (even Joey). Disagreeing can be civil, you are the first to resort to name calling and childish behavior (cue rant based in fantasy where you're the most mature and intelligent and well-mannered member of the blog or whatever). 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So when Joey confirmed I didn't say that to him, and you did, he was lying? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

With me? We used to get along just fine and it was during that time that Bent had to tell you to STOP calling people  'pumpkin'........you were antogonizing people you disagreed with way back then as well.

MoSacks MoSnacks
MoSacks MoSnacks

I think the "a" in his name stands for "antagonist" and the "se" for "special edition," like my mom's minivan was back in the day.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I won't continue to discuss anything with you as you are a lying sack of you know what and I won't waste my time anymore. i will go back to completely ignoring you since you can not be honest.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se And yet, even despite both your antagonisms vs. Brendan (and others) and Brendan's antagonisms vs. you (and others), Marcus never asked for either of you banned, because while you each have moments of belligerence (as we all do, myself included), both you and Brendan generally stay on topic and avoid trollish behavior (by and large) and add value to the blog's conversation.


Hank/Fonzie don't do that.  They do nothing but troll off-topic crap, antagonize, berate, name-call, and drop homophobic/racist invictive.  


Each of our individual sins and transgressions against the blog's commenting guidelines are forgivable, due to the infrequency with which they happen and the balance of good behavior they are stacked against.


Hank and Fonzie have no such record of good behavior (or it's so long in the past that it's not worth mentioning).  All they do is troll and flame.  They serve no other purpose but to arrive on the blog, pick a petty fight, get the whole board riled against them, then play the victim.  It's a tired act and it's eminently ban-worthy, and if TJB banned them it would be because other commenters (or readers who don't comment at all) are turned off by their constant and repeated hijacking of threads.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Uh, I called you pumpkin a few months ago, and Bent told me not to and wouldn't you know it? I stopped. Your turn to the dark side was years ago during your "racism doesn't exist" rant. Rudi's return to the chat confirmed this. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


"Jake100

1 day ago

@Brendan @a57se You are right Brendan, I remember 57 telling me to shut up after almost every post, not that he wasn't right 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Again, I don't think you or Brendan or myself should be deciding who gets banned. i don't think bent should decide either since he is too friendly with the commenters on this Blog. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You are flat out lying right now....you used the pumpkin line on numerous posters a couple years ago...it was your pet put down. Bent will verify unless he doesn't want to embarrass you.

MoSacks MoSnacks
MoSacks MoSnacks

Only if you stop commenting, since that obviously doesn't suit you.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

And for the record, the main reason Bent is so friendly with the commenters on this blog is most of the commenters on this blog act in a way that earns friendship.


Bent isn't friendly with Hank or Fonzie because they're trolls who don't deserve friendship, they deserve scorn.  They don't act in a friendly manner, they act in a trollish manner.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

And I didn't personally ask for Hank/Fonzie to be banned.  (I've never asked for anyone to be banned from any forum.)


But what he/they are doing is most definitely a ban-worthy offense, and if it happens, I won't be upset.  He/they deserve it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se This is beyond stupid. 


Your memory of events has been proven inaccurate and unreliable, I'm not dealing with this idiocy. 


You complained to Bent when I called you pumpkin, he told me to stop (while also reprimanding you in the same post, mind you) and I stopped doing it. You've used it to mock me multiple times since then, but I don't bring it up constantly. 


It will not embarrass me if Bent confirms I used it before, because I already admit to using it and being asked to stop. Not sure what you're trying to prove (again). 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

All your opinion.....like everyone else has opinions....BFD.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68 @a57se

While you and I and others can (and do) do precisely that, the reason that blogs often are forced to ban guys like Hank/Fonzie is that there are commenters and readers who are driven away from the site because they get tired of the same flamewars over and over again.


TJB has to protect its brand as a premier Jets site, and as such, they have to balance a healthy and vibrant comment page against people getting sick of the mundanity of a broken comment section full of trolls and flamers that does nothing but descent into the same pits of despair thread after thread.


You don't want this place turning into ESPN.com's comment section, so sometimes you have to judiciously kick people out of the commentariat if they do nothing but create trouble without adding value.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

No.


The people who have the opinion that Hank and Fonzie are trolls are "everyone except a57se".


We all have our opinions.  Your opinion isn't rooted in reality, because you refuse to honestly evaluate what Hank/Fonzie are doing and how it's fundamentally different from what everyone else around here does.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 @a57se It's ludicrous to think that people have others or want others banned for disagreeing with their commentary. If you don't like it don't respond, period. It's as if you can't say or do anything anymore without big brother in one way or another policing the situation. We are moving farther and farther away from freedom everyday. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 @a57se I don't really care if they get banned or not. I don't personally mind Jake100 but Hank I just ignore.  It really is only the same 3-5 people engaging with either of them.  

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68 @a57se

I do what you do.  Sometimes I ignore, sometimes I engage for poops and giggles, sometimes I poke fun.  


Just want to make clear why "just ignore them" isn't necessarily a stance a blog can realistically take against a commenter misbehaving.


They have to think about the needs of the many.  If Bassett/Bent are getting inundated with people telling them "I'm sick and tired of Hank/Fonzie trolling in the comment threads" they may have to ban a guy to preserve their pageviews.


Basically, Hank/Fonzie are turning into Donald Sterling: a senile, tired, racist, homophobic public embarrassment who might have to have his franchise taken away for the good of the league.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 @a57se Right I agree with that. Just to make my point clear... I think Hank comes here because people engage with him...look at this reply Bent just gave him.  If he is ignored he will move onto a site where he can get someone he can bother.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@BDarc23 @tsjc68 @a57se I think it's hard for bent to just ignore somebody who is criticizing the integrity of his analysis.  Remaining silent could signal that bent isn't willing to defend his work.  Lots of people who don't know the fatuous nature of Hank/Fonzie would simply assume that bent was called out and capitulated.