Daily Links: Bumper crop

  • Comments from all the day three selections [Jets Official Site]
  • List of veterans affected by the draft includes one Jets player [Over The Cap]
  • One Jet is voted 94th on the NFL’s top 100 players list [NFL.com]
  • …while another is voted 91st on PFF’s list [PFF]
  • One of the Jets’ picks caught Greg A. Bedard’s eye [MMQB]



111 comments
jimjets
jimjets

You guys may have figured out by now I'm an eternal jets optimist. So, of course, I think we did great. 


Our passing game HAS to be better - by weeding out the best of this bunch there's no way it can't improve. Geno will have improved enough to be the starter or Vick will play. Amaro will help Decker, Kerley, Nelson, Cumby and Chris Johnson out of the back field be more open. If we hit on ONE of the receivers in the draft, we're golden. 


The defense will be better - Pryor's a stud and Milliner and Sheldie are going into year two, Coples into year three.


We will now actually have depth on specials to go along with one of the best kickers in the game. 


10-6 usually  means playoffs...and if somehow we could NOT be the only team in the division to ever beat the Pats...who f'in knows, eh?    

mrblint
mrblint

I love the pick of saunders - he has that Bruce Harper quality that was a real unique capability that really helped the early 80s Jets. Watch his film - guy is about the quickest player I have seen in a long time and he has good strainghtline speed too.. Seems to use his quickness to protect against getting the crushing hit too - which is good since he is so tiny. I also know that many of the beat wrtiers are incorrectly calling out some of the later skill picks as slow when in fact they seem to have good speed. Also I like the fact that all these guys have an upward trajectory in terms of improvement throughout college.

Saunders 4.44

Evans 4.51

Dixon 4.41

Enunwa 4.45

Hoz
Hoz

Have you guys seen the picture of Shaq Evans in a Jets uniform when he was a kid? Do you guys know if he's from the area?

greggreen
greggreen

Overall i liked our draft. Was shocked we drafted Pryor, but at the same time i cant be mad that the team got the number 1 rated safety. Loved the amaro pick. Thought the mcdougle pick was a bit of a reach (but what do i know). Overall im very happy but i would say that id rather have traded back into the 2nd and gotten robinson or landry. Draft pick calculator(take it with a grain of salt) says we could of gotten a shot at ether of those guys for our 3rd tampas 4th and our 5th. Would of preferred getting robinson and lose  mcdougle, George and Saunders. 

Hoz
Hoz

Can Shq Evans be our version of Keenan Allen?

jaym
jaym

When does camp start?

BDarc23
BDarc23

It's tough not to be excited right after the draft.  All the sudden I love all these guys and Idzik is a genius.

tsjc68
tsjc68

My way, way too early guess on the final roster (obviously, this will probably be incorrect in many ways, most notably in that there will be guys who kick loose on waivers this August that we'll claim):


QB (3): G.Smith, M.Vick, T.Boyd

HB (3): C.Johnson, C.Ivory, M.Goodson

FB (1): T.Bohanon

WR (7): E.Decker, J.Kerley, D.Nelson, S.Hill, S.Evans, Q.Enunwa, J.Saunders

TE (3): J.Amaro, J.Cumberland, Z.Sudfeld

OL (8): D.Ferguson, B.Winters, N.Mangold, W.Colon, B.Giacomini, B.Ijalana, D.Dozier, D.Freeman

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DL (6): M.Wilkerson, D.Harrison, S.Richardson, L.Douzable, K.Ellis, T.Barnes

LB (8): Q.Coples, D.Harris, D.Davis, C.Pace, A.Barnes, N.Bellore, J.George, T.Reilly

CB (7): D.Milliner, D.Patterson, K.Wilson, D.Walls, E.Lankster, D.McDougle, B.Dixon

S (4): D.Landry, A.Allen, C.Pryor, J.Bush

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ST (3): N.Folk, R.Quigley, T.Purdum

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Practice Squad (8): F.Truss, C.Young, T.Miller, W.Campbell, T.Conrad, K.Hyder, I.Enemkpali, R.Miles


Cut:

M.Simms, B.Powell, A.Green, J.Ford, G.Salas, C.Gates, S.Hakim, M.Campbell, D.Jones, C.Pantale, C.Anderson, P.Ford, C.Schlauderaff, O.Aboushi, J.Ashworth, B.Qvale, T.Finau, T.Davis, G.McIntyre, J.Cunningham, T.Fugger, S.Divitto, Z.Thompson, R.Dowling, J.Patrick, J.Reeves, N.Taylor, L.Rose, J.Jarrett, B.Hardin

tsjc68
tsjc68

@mrblint  Enemkpali ran a 4.85 at 261 pounds at his Pro Day, as well.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Hoz  he's from Cali. Most peewee football programs have teams named after NFL franchises 

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Shaq Evans plays like Keenan Allen the Jets will be a playoff team....should only happen

I think the Jets are VERY high on Jalen Saunders....I think he will push Kerley for playing time and also will get used on the outside. After watching his college tape I am convinced that Saunders will create match up problems.

Saunders is incredibly quick in and out of his breaks when he runs routes. He creates A LOT of space and gets open. His speed is excellent and he has good hands

greggreen
greggreen

@Hoz  i imagine Saunders in as PR, and Evans and hill battle it out for the starting spot opposite Decker with kerley in the slot. If they both suck then we just go with decker and nelson  

bradysucks
bradysucks

I love the Saunders pick

Think he will surprise a lot of people

gbrownn
gbrownn

Desean role in Martys offense? I like the pick alot. Looking forward to breaking this guy down more. Love that he's touted as physical.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68

With the same disclaimer I'll take a shot at this as well:


QB (3): G.Smith, M.Vick, T.Boyd

HB (4): C.Johnson, C.Ivory, M.Goodson, B. Powell

FB (1): C. Young

WR (6): E.Decker, J.Kerley, D.Nelson, S.Hill, Q.Enunwa, J.Saunders

TE (3): J.Amaro, J.Cumberland, Z.Sudfeld

OL (8): D.Ferguson, B.Winters, N.Mangold, W.Colon, B.Giacomini, B.Ijalana, D.Dozier, C. Schlauderaff

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DL (7): M.Wilkerson, D.Harrison, S.Richardson, L.Douzable, K.Ellis, T, Finau, TJ Barnes

LB (8): Q.Coples, D.Harris, D.Davis, C.Pace, A.Barnes, N.Bellore, T. Davis, T.Reilly

CB (6): D.Milliner, D.Patterson, K.Wilson, D.Walls, E.Lankster, D.McDougle

S (4): A.Allen, C.Pryor, R Miles, J Jarrett

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ST (3): N.Folk, R.Quigley, T.Purdum

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Practice Squad (8): C. Pantale, C.Young, J. George, W.Campbell, T.Conrad, S. Evans, I.Enemkpali, D. Freeman


Cut: All the guys not listed above...:)



greggreen
greggreen

IMO Nelson is the saftey net at WR and Evans and Hill Battle it out for starting spot opposite Decker Ford gets the petermen treatment and i think the team picks powell over goodson. I doubt Enunwa makes the team. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68  


Not a bad guess.   Think you're on target re the WR's, and agree that Hill will show enough this preseason to hold a roster spot.    Surprised you have us going on campaign with only three RB's, and that Goodson is one of them and Powell isn't.  I expected them to draft or sign a UDFA RB to potentially replace Powell, but unless they pick someone who's been cut up they think better I believe Powell we make the roster.  


We'll see if Dixon can make the team, but I do think Ed Reed will return in some form or fashion...either as a player/mentor to Pryor or a coach.  


And I'm still scratching my head who's punting on this team.   Hopefully not Quigley-down-under.  Surprised Jets didn't grab one...like Van Der Kamp or Hornsey.  

WW85
WW85

@tsjc68  7 WRs?  IS that realisitic on a Rex team?

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@tsjc68  I could easily see this but as you say S,OL and LB all have a few battles that can go to other players also the team may put different numbers to specific positions than you have such as we might carry 4 TE'sand 6 WR's. I think we'll also have to bring in some comp for Quigley. But for the most part I think this is pretty close.

Hoz
Hoz

@tsjc68  Great work I agree with everything accept for jacoby ford he signed a 1 yr guranteed deal to play special teams I doubt they eat that money even though its chump change.

bobbyj
bobbyj

They're gonna cut Powell ? What did he do to deserve that? Stay healthy, improve & play hard...As far as drafting how about that BPA methodology? What a joke. I am done listening to anything that they say out of the Jets

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68  Nice early roster tsjc.  I am going to guess that one the the newly drafted WRs doesn't make the roster, either Aboushi or Campbell will make the roster, there will be a 4th RB and I 'll guess Bush will be cut.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I think Hill sucks - he's dead last on my depth chart at WR - hope he proves me wrong. I'd much rather roll with our 3 WR draft picks

I've heard some people say that Boyd can be better than Geno once he learns the west coast offense. I find this interesting. I liked the Boyd pick

Hoz
Hoz

@MarshRandy @Hoz  Ok I thought that picture was amazing & that he grew up a Jets fan thanks for the info.

Hoz
Hoz

@bradysucks  Yeah the kid is exciting & every critic loved that pick + we have to remember Kerly is in a contract yr so if he price hiself out of town we will have a security blanket.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks  

Not gonna surprise me.....I've been talking about him since December.....Glad and surprised we actually took him! he wasn't on any of our visit or interest lists!

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @tsjc68  Looks good to me.  I'm too lazy to do this but can you highlight where this differs from 68's roster.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@greggreen  I think Enunwa absolutely makes the team.  He's tough, smart, physical, solid hands.  Like a faster David Nelson.  He was a steal in R6.


Marty and Geno are gonna love that kid.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hazard2012 @tsjc68  Yeah, I'm thinking we're monitoring that RB market all summer, see who kicks free.


I do like Fabian Truss, one of our unsigned tryouts, and I'd carve out a spot on the practice squad for him.


As for punter, Michael Palardy (who both kicks and punts) beating out Quigley would not shock me.  He's got a quality leg.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@WW85 @tsjc68  And keep in mind that one of those seven WR, Jalen Saunders, probably earns a spot simply for special teams alone, so it's more like 6 WR + one punt returner/kick returner/offensive weapon (who can line up at WR).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hoz @tsjc68  Choosing to take Ford over, say, Stephen Hill or Brandon Dixon or Darrin Walls, that wouldn't surprise me at all.


Ultimately, we probably have eight "rosterable" wideouts for either six or seven WR spots, so someone who is a quality NFL player will get cut no matter how the cookie crumbles.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bobbyj  


Q: They're gonna cut Powell ? What did he do to deserve that? 


A: Not become a Pro-Bowler already, thus eliminating the team's natural and intelligent desire to upgrade on his solid-yet-unspectacular production.


Bilal Powell is a nice, useful back.  Nothing wrong with keeping him, he'll help us out.  Nothing really wrong with dumping him, either; he's useful but not special.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68  Yeah, it's gonna be a really interesting camp.


Like last year with all the offensive linemen, there's going to be at least one or two positional groupings where we go much heavier than normal. 

will898
will898

Hill was a very raw prospect. It did not help his development to play with Sanchez and Smith. I think Vick will win the job and Hill is the beneficiary. If Hill gets cut, he'll get picked up by the Pats and develop into a deep threat under Brady.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  


"I think Hill sucks - he's dead last on my depth chart at WR"


If you have Stephen Hill lower on your depth chart than Greg Salas, Clyde Gates, Saalim Hakim, Dwight Jones, and Michael Campbell, then you're not thinking about things intelligently and you're cutting off your nose to spite your own face.  That's just dumb.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  FWIW, Hill was amongst my last guys in.  I cut Jacoby Ford (less important now that Jalen Saunders has been added) and Bilal Powell (who probably makes the team if Mike Goodson ends up with legal complications) to keep Hill around as the seventh WR.


Other "last guys in" are Ben Ijalana over Will Campbell, Brent Qvale, Tevin Conrad, and Oday Aboushi (I think the team is high on Ijalana's unfulfilled potential, just a hunch), TJ Barnes over Kerry Hyder (big body over smaller body, but I like Hyder), Brandon Dixon as the 11th DB (over IK Enemkpali, who I think we try to stash on the PS), and Josh Bush (who's probably toast if Reed is signed and could lose out to Miles or Jarrett or Hardin if they have good camps anyway).


Also, don't discount the possibility of just dumping Landry if Pryor looks good out of the gate; that opens up interesting possibilities as well.


I could also totally see Ras-I Dowling impressing and demanding a spot; Brandon Dixon could end up joining Enemkpali as a PS-stash, or Dowling could even push Darrin Walls off the roster instead.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  You know what would be fun, if you entered into any conversations without mentioning the fact that "Hill sucks" and your way-too-personal dislike for him. We get it. This is entering "everyone hates BS because all he talks about is Sanchez sucking" territory. 


The odds of Hill not making the roster are slim. You need a better coping mechanism than "repeatedly mention how much a person or thing sucks." 

Hoz
Hoz

@tsjc68 @bradysucks  Kerly & Nelson contracts is up after the season maybe Idzik was thinking ahead we'll see

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  Yeah, if Saunders, Evans, and Enunwa pan out, they probably push Kerley, Nelson, and Hill off the roster (eventually, but probably not in 2014.)

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@bradysucks  the difference is Kerley will always be caught from behind by a faster DB, Saunders can take it to the house 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Yes Saunders is some insurance if Kerley leaves.

What I find interesting about Saunders is that he is almost identical in size and weight to Desean Jackson when Jackson was in college. He has similar speed as well.

I think Morninweg will use Saunders in a very similar role to the role he assigned Jackson in Philly. This makes me think he will play on the outside and also in the slot

greggreen
greggreen

@MarshRandy @greggreen @Hoz  break him into the game. Im sure he will be used in a few packages here and there but early on. i Doubt he gets much receiving time

a57se
a57se

@Bent

Even though I wouldn't cut anyone on the roster to bring Ed in, you got to figure at least 2 or 3 of these guys I have listed will end up on IR to start the season......that will provide the roster spot we need for Ed to come back!

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se

RB....I have Powell making the team, 68 has only three RB's with Powell being out.

FB.....I have C. Young knocking Bohanon off the roster, 68 has Bohanon staying.

WR.... I have Evans going to the practice Squad, 68 has him on the roster.

OL....I have Schalauderaff staying, 68 has him cut. I have Freeman on the Practice Squad and 68 has him on the roster.

DL....I have Finau on the roster, 68 has him cut.

LB....I have Troy Davis on the roster, 68 has him cut. I have George on the PS, 68 has him on the roster.

CB....I have Dixon Cut, 68 has him on the roster.

S......I have Jarret and Miles on the roster, 68 has Jarret cut and Miles on the PS, I have Landry cut, 68 has him on the roster as well as Bush who I also have cut.


bklyndude
bklyndude

@tsjc68 @bklyndude @greggreen

Just kind of funny people think he's going to keep all of his draft choices based on not cutting any last year.  The odds that twelve make the team and/or PS have got to be astronomical. 

In fact I'm going to hitchhike home if Idzik............

tsjc68
tsjc68

@greggreen @tsjc68  


All 12 Picks arent gonna make the team. 


I agree, but I think Brandon Dixon and Ikemefuna Enemkpali are better bets to end up on the practice squad than any of those three WRs.


JMHO.

Hoz
Hoz

@tsjc68 @greggreen  I agree with you guys, the Jets have more weapons than some may think but its all about MM putting it together.

greggreen
greggreen

@tsjc68 @greggreen  he seems like a double dip of evans only a late 6th round pick. All 12 Picks arent gonna make the team. (Nelson is 6'5 hes much bigger)

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hazard2012 @Bent @tsjc68  We are.  I ran through that yesterday.


Bent speculates that we're going to cut someone soon, maybe on a paper move.


I suspect there will be more roster shuffling between now and when camp opens (not just the release, but maybe picking up Reed, maybe signing some of our tryout guys like Palardy, Truss, Gasten Gabriel, DeMario Bennett, Jermaine Jones, maybe cutting some of the dead weight like Gates, Jones, Campbell, Rose, etc.)

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Bent @Hazard2012  


Correct.


  • If a player has one accrued season, they can still be practice squad eligible if they were on the 45-man active gameday roster for less than nine regular season games.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @Hazard2012  Correct.


Bent, Campbell and Aboushi are PS-eligible, right?  They were on the roster all year but never active.  IIRC, that means they're still okay, but I'd love confirmation.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @Hazard2012  


I was not surprised by your thinking re the OL, btw.   Many keep saying Campbell, Schlauderaff and Aboushi were the future, but I've never seen enough from any of them to believe it.   I think Dozier is a real upgrade there, and versatile.    

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @WW85  


Good point Saunders.   He makes team for his return ability alone.   But how many WR's did Rex carry last year...seven, right?  So it's not like he's taking away a roster spot from somewhere else.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bobbyj  


How are they going to find him guilty on a gun charge if (and this is what has been reported, I am NOT stating it as fact) the gun was locked in the glovebox of a car owned by someone else and driven by someone he had only recently met?


The other charges are no big deal, he was passed out, so the worst they could get him on is a minor drugs charge.  (Again going by what has been reported, I don't claim to know the facts).

bobbyj
bobbyj

You think Goodson's case is " winnable" how many trials have you been evolved in? For the record, the best offer/deal Goodson was gonna get was immd after he was indicted. His case is a train wreck, & I'm positive of that. The two things defense attorneys attack, one is the reason for the stop. If the stop was illegal ( fruit from a poisoned tree ) & the identification process. They can also go after the chain of evidence. Goodson is totally screwed because a complainant ( I believe it was a tow truck driver ) directed/called the police, guiding they're actions, so the question for the stop, is lock solid. Goodson will eventually take a plea, but I'm willing to bet, that based on the strength of the case, he's gonna have to do some time..bet on it

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@tsjc68 @Joe/Orlando @bobbyj  Oh, they should operate as if he's on the team. I think they're doing it primarily for a chance to recover some of the bonus they paid him but either way they should hang onto him and if his legal troubles work out in his favor he should compete for a spot, IMO.


I think he's going to jail based purely on NJ's gun laws and even more so because of the fact that the plea deal he was offered included jail time. It means to me the DAs know they have a very strong chance of getting a conviction. I guess we'll see.

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@bobbyj  Not to mention that Powell can do everything a RB needs to do pretty decently, which makes him an excellent backup. Between the acquisition of Johnson, the injury and the pending court case, it would not surprise me if the team values Powell more highly than Goodson at this point.


Of course all of this becomes moot if Goodson goes to jail, which is what I think is going to happen.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bobbyj  


Q: Why would you dump a player who is on the right side/upside of his career?


A: Because I only have 53 roster spots and I can't keep everyone.  Simple as that.


I like Bilal Powell.  There's many guys in that cut list that I like.  NFL roster limits don't allow me to keep everyone I like, even though they're ascending players on an upward arc.  C'est la vie.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Powell has improved every year, ever here of the word arc? Powell's career is still ascending, he's trending up. Why would you dump a player who is on the right side/upside of his career. I'm not saying that Johnson can't have a bounce back year here w/the Jets, but they're is no denying that he is in decline, that he is on the wrong side of his arc

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  Hill also missed a ton of practice time, as he was so often hurt.


That lack of time building chemistry is probably reason #1 why he was so frequently not targeted by Sanchez/Geno.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Yet Geno managed to find Nelson & Kerley so why not Hill who is bigger and faster than both of them....???

I hear this all the time ...that Hill was open and the QB didn't throw him the ball ...,Perhaps the QB wasn't confident enough in Hill to throw the ball his way....

QB & WR have a symbiotic relationship and QB's do have their favorite targets.

I don't think Hill ever gave Geno or Sanchez reason to have full confidence in him

This is my opinion .....

will898
will898

I saw Hill open many times in 2012 but Sanchez was either getting pummeled or running for his life. In 2013, Hill was open many times, but Geno was not looking for him. I just don't think he got a fair shot given the QB play.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I don't think Brady can fix Hill

He isn't Randy Moss who had a very high football IQ

Hill is already a deep threat with the Jets...and that is all he is - He is extremely one dimensional and defenses have consistently shut him down thus far

No doubt the QB play for the Jets has been awful and that negatively impacts any WR....but even still Hill has been invisible and that is crazy considering his size and speed

bobbyj
bobbyj

Idziks methodology on drafting...Throw a bunch of bags of sh*t up against a wall & see what sticks..I'm not sure about doubling & tripling down on positions, I know that the draft is a crap shoot, but I think I would have rather seen him address more needs in FA, & then have been able to go BPA.....

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks  You're the first to bash the QB's that have been throwing him the ball. So ,doesn't that factor into the equation for you? Hill hasn't been throwing the ball to himself. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I would like Hill to prove me wrong. I am bothered when I watch him catch the ball. I don't see him as a consistent hands catcher. He makes way too many body catches for me to feel comfortable with him playing WR for the Jets.

I don't like his game either. His speed seems more like straight ahead speed to me. I don't think he is fast and efficient in and out of his breaks when he runs routes. I think he limits his offensive coordinator because he can't run an entire NFL route tree proficiently. This wouldn't be as big a deal to me if I thought he did a better job fighting for and coming down with contested balls...

I think people get caught up with age which is a number...This is Hill's 3rd year in the NFL and 2nd year in Morninweg's offense......That is enough time to start showing improvement -

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@tsjc68 @bradysucks  One might say that Hill being 23 could be thought as a draftee with three yrs.starting exp.. I don't know,maybe it's just me but I think that 25 should at least be the starting age for a bust label on a football player who has shown great ability.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  


Those guys you named aren't on the team anymore as far as I am concerned


But they are on the team, so saying that "Hill is the last WR on the depth chart" is ridiculous.


I think it is a joke that your top 4 WR's are the same guys as last year minus Decker. The Jets drafted 3 WR's for a reason....


Yes, and that reason isn't "so that they can all start right away", nor is it "so that they can cut Stephen Hill immediately to pacify the wild bloodlust of a Jets blog commenter who still pines for the lost career of Jordan White".


They drafted three WRs for a reason: to improve the WR corps.  Doing that and simultaneously giving 23 year old Stephen Hill one more chance in 2014 are not mutually exclusive.  You can build a roster with all seven of them on it, as I outlined above.  If Hill turns in another dud this fall, he'll surely be gone, as his level of competition keeps getting stiffer year after year.


Doesn't mean you are wrong ....time will tell....I have my opinion and you have yours


On that, we agree.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Those guys you named aren't on the team anymore as far as I am concerned

I think it is a joke that your top 4 WR's are the same guys as last year minus Decker. The Jets drafted 3 WR's for a reason....

Doesn't mean you are wrong ....time will tell....I have my opinion and you have yours

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  


I just don't like his game. Any guy with that kind of size and speed should be dominating


Even a guy who entered the league as the eigth youngest player in football in 2012 coming from a non-pro-style collegiate system where they rarely threw him the ball as a raw project player?


That's a high bar to ask for dominance when he's still basically learning the game and is so young.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Bent

I hope Hill proves me wrong

I just don't like his game. Any guy with that kind of size and speed should be dominating

I have watched too many games where he completely disappears for me to feel confident about him

gbrownn
gbrownn

@bradysucks Gotta agree with you here. Theres too many traits of being a good WR that Hill lacks. Hands,grace,fluidity, balls skills, physicality. Now maybe some of these traits can be coached up. We'll see how much better he got this offseason because it's put up or shut up time.  But even thats a longshot, he's one dimensional and not particurly good in that one dimension because his flaws hold him back. I'd take all three of the WRs we invested in over Hill at this point. His quaterbacks and coaches don't trust him, why should I. But we actually have viable replacements now so I'm not even worked up about it anymore. Itll be settled soon.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks  BS - But Hill HAS produced in a couple of games, showing that the potential to do that on a more consistent basis is there.


And I can use your analogy against you and say that a plate of food can sometimes look bad but taste great, so even though you don't see him as a natural pass catcher, if he gets results nobody will be complaining.


If the other guys outshine him as you predict, he'll be gone, so I don't even know what you're getting so worked up about.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  I think the team should cut Hill and move on once he no longer is one of the 53 players who best fits into both the team's present plans and its future plans.


You think that date came two years ago, because you're rash and impatient.  I think that date is probably March 2015, because I'm calm and principled.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Gifted players produce on the football field Brendan

Hill isn't gifted....until he proves it with his production

You see a pretty plate of dinner

I see a pretty plate of dinner but I know that the dinner can look great but still taste awful....

A lot of people agree with you Brendan

I'm just not one of them when it comes to Hill. I see him as one dimensional and think the Jets should cut him and move on

Hoz
Hoz

@tsjc68 @harold  Yes indeed, Not having Kerly & Wilson on KR/PR they could make the team on that alone the both of them was horrible

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  Say they got Lee with the 2nd rounder, how far would that 15% shift in your view?  I wonder if them not getting a more established prospect than a group of mid-rounders gives him a stay of execution.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold  I think the odds of all three rookie wideouts AND Stephen Hill ALL making the roster together, though, are higher than people think.


Carrying 7 WRs makes a ton of sense.

harold
harold

@Brendan @tsjc68

I would actually agree with your first statement.  I think the odds of Hill not making the squad are less than 15%.  The rookie WR's would need to be really good to knock him off the roster.  The chances of all 3 being that good are slim.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  Please don't use posting habits on a football fan blog to generalize my view on life in general. 


The way you engage in the relentless campaign to convert people to your side of the argument (when no one is usually take up the opposite stance in the first place) is very grating. Like you arguing against the wind that Sanchez sucked, no one is sitting here saying Hill is a great player, yet you act like that's the argument being made. 


I don't quit on players that are as young and gifted as Hill if it costs the team almost nothing to keep them. Your reactionary ways would lead to a toxic work environment and a team that players avoid because they know you will cut them over their first screw up. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Sorry, had a meeting. 


I would put Hill's odds at making the team higher than his odds of not making it, saying it's "slim" was definitely an exaggeration on my part. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

You can call me emotional all you wish but thus far I have been correct about Sanchez and Vlad and Hill.....

None of them have developed into a player that justifies where they were drafted

Maybe some day they will all be ALL Pros.....but Not Today

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bradysucks  


I cut my losses & you compound yours


Look, with this packed roster, we're going to have to cut our losses somewhere.


It'll either be cutting our losses with Stephen Hill, or Ras-I Dowling, or Bilal Powell, or William Campbell, or Jacoby Ford, or TJ Barnes, or Kerry Hyder, or Ikemefuna Enemkpali, or Garrett McIntyre, or Jermaine Cunningham, or Jaiqwuan Jarrett, or Josh Bush, or Brandon Dixon, or Steele Divitto, or Greg Salas, or Ben Ijalana, etc. etc. etc.


Looking big picture, there's an argument that amongst all the fringy, borderline guys we could either keep or dump, Hill is the one who still offers the most promise of greatness and carving out a 53-man roster spot for him (which is effectively the LAST roster spot, btw) makes sense.  Not a slam dunk anymore, because he's just a luxury and not an need.  There's wisdom in keeping him one more year, that's all.


We just have a different way of seeing the world


Yup.  Yours is emotional, mine is dispassionately rational.

bradysucks
bradysucks

We just have a different way of seeing the world

I cut my losses & you compound yours

It is nothing personal against Hill, Vlad, or Sanchez.....I am not a believer and was never a believer and want the team to move on....

You want them to do their best Clark Kent & hope they go into a phone booth and come out looking like Superman

Geno Smith is a different story. He had a rough rookie year but showed signs of improvement & played in all 16 games.....I don't know if he is the answer but I am a lot more open minded about his future

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @bradysucks  I'll agree with all of your comment except for saying "The odds of Hill not making the roster are slim".  


I still like him, and I'd still put him on my roster, and I still think he makes the roster, but the odds that he doesn't are quite high, IMHO.  This is a really, really crowded 90, there's a lot of smart and feasible ways to cut it down to 53, and a great number of those smart feasible 53-man rosters don't include Stephen Hill.