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Pat d
Pat d

Is there a reason to give Hill a roster spot?

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

If Saunders is fine which I'm assuming he'll be, there's no reason to keep Jacoby Ford on the roster is there? I understand PR and KR are separate but if it comes down to Ford or Salas/Hill I'm going with the guy who can potentially contribute in the receiving game. I assume we're keeping 4 RBs plus a FB, roster spots will be tight

a57se
a57se

@Pat d 

Is there a reason not to give him a spot?

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy 

Have we tried Richardson at KO returns? Sometimes RB's make pretty decent returners and he has a pretty good burst.

t__k
t__k

@MarshRandy Ford doesn't bring enough to the table for me to give him a roster spot.

Pat d
Pat d

He isn't good.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @MarshRandy 

Pretty sure BossHogg could do it......

"Looking over Richardson’s time at Gateway Tech High School in St Louis, it is hard to find a position on the football field that the guy didn’t play. Predominantly a defensive tackle, he also lined up in the backfield as a running back. On the line as a TE or WR, he returned punts too."

roadyhorns
roadyhorns

@t__k @MarshRandy 

You can't put Saunders on the field if he's going to do the live wire dance and swallow his tongue.

Chances are, though, he was screwing around with his phone and wrecked the car.  The "medical event" is likely BS.

Brendan
Brendan

@t__k He's one of the best kick returners active in the league right now, if they have a spot up for grabs, that may make him worth keeping. 

a57se
a57se

@Pat d 

Neither are the other guys in the 4-8 WR slot.

t__k
t__k

@Brendan @t__k In 2013 he had 11 kickoff returns for 253 yards and a long of 30 and was ranked 38th last year in kickoff returns.

t__k
t__k

@a57se @Pat d Does Hill have any kick return experience?  Why not throw him back there?

t__k
t__k

@brendan @t__k 2012 he wasn't even ranked.  2011 he was ranked 40th.  2010 was his best year and ranked 6th.

a57se
a57se

@t__k @Brendan 

add KO's from the 35 where a good amount end up as TB's...KO Returner has been devalued.

Brendan
Brendan

@t__k Him not ranking in 2012 probably has to do with him not playing in 2012 due to a Lisfranc injury. 

t__k
t__k

@Brendan @t__k I figured an injury was in there somewhere.  But I don't see how he could possibly be considered one of the best returners when he hasn't ranked in the top 10 in 4 years.

t__k
t__k

@Brendan @t__k That was 2010.  Any way you slice it, he is not a top returner at this point.  J. Jones, Holliday, Hester, Patterson...those are the top returners.  Ford isn't even close.

Brendan
Brendan

@t__k Holliday a career return average two yards better than Ford. Hester's is lower. Patterson was a rookie (I don't think he's doing it anymore). Jones less than 2 yards better than Ford. 


I think you're over-blowing the difference in these guys as kick returners. 

a57se
a57se

@t__k @Brendan 

He's with the Jets now, so he'll revert back to 2010 form just like Garrard was going to be a Pro bowler and Vick was going to play like he did in 2010....

t__k
t__k

@Brendan We're going to have to agree to disagree.  It's going to be very difficult to convince me that Jacoby Ford is one of the top active returners in the league.  Especially when you're siting historical averages. (Ford had ONE good year, which I mentioned, that highly skews those numbers).  

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Brendan @t__k 

Hasn't that been Ford's MO his whole career.  Great/good while he is on the feild, but can't seam to stay on the field.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one has ever said these things, stop fighting straw men. 

a57se
a57se

@jsadolph @Brendan @t__k 

Ah, you mean like Vick, ivory, Patterson and the like?

YES! Although Ford has gotten worse since his Lisfranc...

jsadolph
jsadolph

@a57se @jsadolph @Brendan @t__k 

I am a little ignorant on Lisfranc injuries.  Other than Tone having one, they are a new injury to me.  How long does it take to fully recover from them.  Are they like an ACL injury, where you can play in a year, but are not up to full spead till the second year.  IIRC Tone didn't have a great year last year.

Maybe Ford is finally back to full health and ready to show everyone his wheels this year.  The coaches have seemed to notice his speed.  Now we just need a QB to get some timing down with him and we will have a legitimate deep threat.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So you know, that's when the line between "having fun" and "putting words in people's mouths" gets crossed, and that's when people get irritated. 

a57se
a57se

@jsadolph @a57se @Brendan @t__k 

I don't know too much about it but from what I have read, it is like your foot falling apart...doesn't sound like something you just get over....

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Why would you get irritated if you never said anything like that?


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Because you're insinuating that's a common enough point made by people on here for you to mock it. We've been over this multiple times already. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@a57se @jsadolph @Brendan @t__k 

Per the Coaches and Teammates the speed is back.  The agility however, I don't know.

From what I remember of him in Oakland was he was more of a straightline guy more than an elusive type of WR.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's just obnoxious to do. We've had a good day of discussion and you simply can't resist the urge to poke people like that. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Edit:

Tell you what, let's let the moderators do their job.


Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

If you're doing something that requires moderators to even look at it, you're doing it wrong. They're not babysitters.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  That's a reasonable and mature way to look at this. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh, too bad...

I thought we actually agreed on blog decorum for once!

I am all in favor of letting the moderators moderate...

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Really? I guess a lot has changed since you tried to get Bent suspended from SNY? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Now whose making up strawmen?

Anyway, Bent is a good guy despite his friendship with you and letting you get away with more crap than anyone else on the blog.

I will let the moderators deal with that crap from now on...you are easy enough to ignore.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I am not making anything up, and therefore not attacking a strawman. You wrote a "letter" (which I assume was an email) to SNY and told Bent you hope they "do something" about his favoritism (which doesn't exist, but whatever). 


I don't get away with more crap than anyone else here, as Bent pointed out to you if it wasn't for you him you'd have been banned by SNY ages ago. If anything, you owe him your thanks, not your gripes. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The 57 equivalent of waving the white flag. Always a pleasure when you whip out an acronym for "F*ck off Brendan."