Daily Links: Decisions

  • Antonio Cromartie wants to remain with Jets [Newsday]
  • The Jets’ five worst moments of 2013 [NJ]
  • Potential New York Jets’ Free Agent: WR James Jones [The J-E-T Press]
  • Jets have found franchise QB in Geno: Cro [NY Daily News]
  • Colts add WR Deion Branch before game vs. Patriots [ESPN]
91 comments
jroc
jroc

"James Jones is only 29." I think this says all you need to know about the qualifications of the author of that article...

SackDance99
SackDance99

I like signing free agent WRs and, IMO, Eric Decker would be the perfect addition.  He's younger, taller and flat out better than James Jones.  Plus, his last contract was a 4-year, $2.5 million deal.  He's looking for that big second contract and it's unlikely that the Broncos will give it to him.  Decker has improved his stats every season and has great versatility..he can get deep or be a possession receiver.  If I were Idzik, he'd be my. no. 1 target.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

Cro on Geno Smith:

“I honestly think he is (franchise QB). I think just the way he handles himself, he handled himself as a true professional when he’s in the office,” Cromartie said. “He’s in early in the morning – 5:30, 5:45 in the morning – he doesn’t leave until 7 at night; trying to understand defenses and understand where he needs to get better at.”

Nolan Nawrocki on Geno Smith:  "Not a student of game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire.  Mild practice demeanor — no urgency.  Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic.

jdb7
jdb7

Different topic. Obviously the Jets have to address the skill positions, but I don't think they need a major overhaul the way most people think.  I believe two to three wide receivers (one free agent and one/two in the draft [one early, one skill player like Thomas or Archer late]) and a Tight end early. 


Kerley is the obvious keeper.  Nelson looked promising. I still believe Hill will turn it on this season, there is too much talent and work ethic there. 


The rest of the draft will likely fill out other parts of the roster.  ILB, one player I'm currently looking at is Jordan Zumwalt from UCLA, likely 3rd probably 4th round.  Of course other positions like CB, OL, S. 

a57se
a57se

James Jones has a nose for the end zone because he scored 14 TD's one season? So that means the other 6 seasons of his career his nose was stuffed?

James Jones has 6 long receptions in a 7 year career so that makes him a deep threat? 2013 he didn't have Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball for 6 or 7 games and his numbers declined significantly.......if he is so good, why didn't he help out Rodgers replacement more?

This guy is a system receiver who's had a HOF QB throwing him the ball his whole career (Favre then Rodgers), we've seen what happens with guys like this when they go for the payday elsewhere, they usually disappear. I'd pass.

Oh, FWIW, he'll be 30 years old next season.........you don't pay 30 year old receivers $6 million dollars unless they are top shelf WR's.

jaygo
jaygo

A complete list of 2014 free agents: http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents/   Don't think our hosts have posted this list but maybe I missed it


OT:  There is not one mention of the Jets in the NY Post today (and the BCS game was too late to make the paper).  There is no news and none was contrived.  I think we can comfortably declare the circus era dead. Idzik et al has really handled the media well.

harvlis
harvlis

I think Cro is a special athlete but, if he isn't physically 100%, I would not invest in him.  For what we pay him, we could get a quality FA corner.  What good is signing him for less money, if he can't play to his full ability. 

Brendan
Brendan

Oooooo. I like James Jones. A lot. If they can get him on a reasonably priced deal that would be fantastic. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@jroc he's a good receiver who gets deep and will be relatively cheap to sign. I don't understand why there are so many whiners on these message boards about James Jones, he'd improve our WR group immediately. We had freaking Clyde Gates running routes for us this season

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99  "He's younger, taller and flat out better than James Jones."


And a lot more expensive, I would guess. 

Bent
Bent

@SackDance99 Why do you like signing free agent WRs?  It's not like the Jets have ever had any success in doing that!  Every free agent receiver I can ever remember them signing in the offseason turned out to be a letdown, unless I'm blanking somewhere.


That's not to say it's a bad idea in principle, we've just picked a load of lemons.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se agree with this assessment, honestly I've seen nothing from him that makes me think he can be an NFL starter

jaygo
jaygo

@1969JAN12th Nawrocki, whoever he is, has been dumping on Geno for effect since before the draft.  He also has dumped on Cam Newton forever.  Whenever someone is desperate for an anti Cam or anti Geno quote, his name come up. Nuff said.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se Who do you think would be a veteran WR (significant upgrade) that the Jets could get at a reasonable price?

levi
levi

@a57se He didnt look that good this weekend. He should of hauled in a couple of those drops. Not that they were easy catches but I think he should of caught them.

levi
levi

@harvlis I agree. I think they should have sat him this year for a while. At least once Milliner started playing better Cro didnt have to cover the #1 WR. That was hard watching him get beat deep all season.

r_in_ct
r_in_ct

@BrendanI noticed he dropped a few very catchable balls on Sunday. I know the conditions were an issue, just a little red flag ... he's still better than pretty much anything on the roster.

bob
bob

@Brendan

Yep. I think he would be a great #2 receiver after a # 1 is drafted this year.


Mel Kipers big board top 21 list.


at #6--Sammy Watkins grade 94.

at # 7 Margise Lee .grade 93.


I think so far we have a good chance of getting Lee.

jdb7
jdb7

@Brendan  3years, 18 mil seems a bit reasonable.  That's similar APY to Reggie Wayne. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@MarshRandy@jroc


Clyde Gates and Stephen Hill......with the Buttfumble machine & Tebow throwing them darts


Wow 2012 was a painful season....


Hopefully all those guys are gone in 2014......I know some wil say Hill is awesome.....so is Tofu (NOT)

a57se
a57se

@Bent

The grass is always greener syndrome. Eric Decker has a HOF QB throwing to him, it is nice to think he will put up the same numbers on the Jets but it is not even remotely plausible that he will.

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy

One thing I really like about Gabriel's QB analysis is he doesn't put much emphasis on completion percentage, he looks at ball placement in College QB's........the other thing is this guy has the experience that so many other online reviewers lack.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@jaygo @1969JAN12th You are right; but it is important that with all the pre-draft  stuff we will read about for 2014, people like Nawrocki be called out for their character assassination.

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th

I don't think any of the guys who are free agents would be 'significant upgrades' to our WR core.


I do think Brandon LaFell provides much better value then James Jones would and would fit nicely in the Jets scheme.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@bob @Brendan mocks don't really mean much but from the mocks it seems like there's a good chance Lee will be there for us. Watkins will be long gone unfortunately. I also prefer Lee to Evans

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Yeah, I'm thinking Lee is a pipe dream at this point, which sucks because he's really good. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@jdb7 @Brendan I'm sure he'd love the opportunity to get the majority of the targets. The guy caught like 14 TDs a couple years ago on a team with Jordy, Jennings, Cobb, and Finley 

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy

Oh OK, so defenses feared Decker more then Wes Welker...OK, if you say so.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se @MarshRandy lol. Just not true, Decker was the clear #2, it was the tight end and Welker who benefited from Decker and DT taking all the defensive attention

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy 

Denver also passed the ball 60% of the time and the thomas boys put up Madden type numbers as well as Welker.

Decker was the no. 4 weapon in that offense and got the most favorable match-ups to exploit.

he won't have that luxury in a Jets offense.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se @Bent but keep in mind that Peyton never threw 55 TDs before, he has legit elite weapons in Denver. Obviously Decker won't duplicate his 2013 stats with Geno but I think he'd be a monumental upgrade. Still, he will get overpaid by someone and I hope it's not us

a57se
a57se

@juunit

not a surprise to me...this whole Bortles hype train started because someone reported that one NFL team had him as a top ten pick........

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th

From what we understand now, Geno was an opportunity pick by Idzik, not part of his grand plan. I would have drafted a project guy in the later rounds like Brad Sorenson who went to SD.

As far as Ivory, I have no problem with Ivory as a player and i like what he did for the Jets. He is not the best fit for MM's system but we ended up not playing that as much anyway. I just think we could of held out for a 5th round pick with New Orleans as they didn't seem to have any other suitors and Ivory wasn't in their plans. We bid against ourselves.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @1969JAN12th I am asking you about your QB & RB for 2013 because it is not good enough to say that Geno Smith or Chris Ivory were not good selections (draft and FA) by Idzik and he should be criticized for them. Idzik doesn't work in a vacuum; he actually has to make a choice and live with them. He needed a replacement/someone to compete with for Sanchez and Greene....he got Geno & Ivory. All things considered, they both worked out. Could he have done better ?....I don't know. And, all of his new players were with the financial constraints that he went in with as GM. It seems to me that Idzik is trying to build something lasting....not looking for the quick fix. He is the "anti-Tanny ".

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th

It doesn't really matter what I wanted then, does it? We have what we have and did what we did. I think Idzik is a questionable GM right now based on his draft and his FA signings. I do not have much faith in him but that may change with this off season...we will see.

Brendan
Brendan

@1969JAN12th It's amazing how someone can pinpoint the picks that look bad in hindsight as the only ones they had issues with. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @1969JAN12th Of course I respect your opinion to be critical of Idzik; even Idzik would admit to making mistakes. You say you didn't like draft night picks: Geno, Winters, Aboushi, Campbell, and Bohannon; are you absolutely sure that in Geno's case specifically....we would have been at least 8-8 without Geno Smith? Or, 8-8 without Chris Ivory? Who did you want (at that time) to be the QB and RB  for 2013 ?

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th 

Sorry, but I didn't like most of the picks on draft night. Especially Geno, Winters, Aboushi, Campbell and Bohanon.

I also didn't like trading a 4th round pick for Ivory. So that is 6 of Idzik's moves with our draft picks that I didn't like up front. Anyone who was posting on this site back then could confirm this.

I do not take offense at you putting your trust in Idzik over me....I am not asking you to trust my judgment. Just respect my right to criticize Idzik.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @1969JAN12th 

First, when I say trust Idzik's board, of course I am assuming that it is a collaboration between Idzik and his coaches (in this case defensive coaches). I don't think anyone believes that Idzik makes these decisions by himself.

Second, what you think of Winters, Aboushi, or Campbell is AFTER the fact....now you have seen what they have done. It is a lot harder picking talent before the draft.

And, I do agree that people who spend their entire day and night on this stuff probably know a "little" more then most of us on TJB.

Lastly, please don't take this the wrong way....but given a choice between your board and Idzik's....I trust Idzik's board (not necessarily because he may/may not be smarter then you...but because he has at his disposal a raft of experts and expert material at his disposal).

jaygo
jaygo

@bklyndude  Agree with your reasoning.  Got 4 starters out of the draft and even Bohannon played meaningful minutes.  Nice retort to 57's usual young and dumb comment. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude I'm not sure what's naïve about looking at the facts and thinking hey we got some players from this past draft who will contribute to next years team.

And I didn't say anything about blind trust and faith in Idzik,  just that he had a productive draft. 

He didn't trade up to grab anybody,  he stayed patient and let the draft come to him.  I think that's a good quality in a GM and something the last guy didn't have. 

levi
levi

@a57se I never really bashed Tanny to bad. (prove it the archives are gone) But I wasnt a big fan of the big splash moves he would make and giving away draft picks to do so. He may very well still be the GM had he not inexplicably given Sanchez that new contract.

a57se
a57se

@levi

There was nothing wrong with trusting Tannenbaum either yet you and others now 'trusting' Idzik had plenty to say about him......


This is like using an Antonio Cromartie quote to argue that geno is good.

levi
levi

@a57se Theres nothing wrong with trusting Idzik. As much as we like to gripe about all things football related I have to believe Idzik, Rex and all the other coaches and scouts have a better idea of who to draft than we do. When someone starts paying you millions per year I will put my trust in your opinion too :) Not trying to be a jerk but think about how much time we spend on football then think how much time they spend on football....its their life.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

You can think whatever you want, I think you are being rather naive to think the Jets draft couldn't have been better and to blindly put your faith in Idzik.

levi
levi

@a57se Let me follow your logic....Because a team of paid professionals who scout college players year round for their careers build a board of who they consider to be the best guys to draft we should second guess them because you said so.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @1969JAN12th The Jets had five rookies and Chris Ivory contribute to this seasons 8-8 record.  By any standard that's pretty good.

Picking Richardson turned out great.

If you want to quibble about taking a different player here or there, then I think you are being somewhat harsh.

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th

So let me follow your logic.........because most fans don't study the draft or look into who the best college draft prospects are and are not familiar with a lot of the players, we should trust Idzik's board?

We should just assume that Brian Winters was the best option in the third round? That nobody was better then Oday Aboushi in the 5th or Will Campbell in the 6th? 

Sheldon Richardson was one of the top three DT's in the draft. Lotulelei, Floyd and Richardson were all considered top 15 picks.......the Jets picked Richardson over the other two and for the Jets system and needs, he was the best fit. I trust our defensive coaches to know which players suit our defensive needs best.

jdb7
jdb7

@1969JAN12th @Brendan @bob Yeah, the 2013 NY Jets draft looks a lot better at the end of the season than it did earlier in the year.  Way too many fans panicked early in the season.



1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Brendan @bob Yeah,

pretty sure if we heard Sheldon Richardson at #13 before last draft, most fans would have said WTF ?...who is Sheldon Richardson ?

Gotta trust Idzik's board.

bob
bob

@Brendan@bob


That I am excited about very much Brendan after 2013 season I really didn't have much of a clue how the Jets would play this year. I thought maybe it would be a down maybe even bad year, however it turned out really good I thought considering we were rebuilding. Much to my surprise Jets drafted well and did good in free agency .

Brendan
Brendan

@bob I trust the Jets' front office to put together a good big board. Just have to trust it. 

bob
bob

@MarshRandy@Brendan


If Lee is gone and where wear picking from. Looks like we either trade down and draft needs or best player on the board may be TE our Safety from what I'm seeing.

jdb7
jdb7

@MarshRandy @Brendan If the Jets get the Bucs 3rd round pick, they could theoretically move up 5 spots to 13 with the Bears. 

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy Maybe the Ravens go with an OL if one slips. Obviously there are a ton of variables at play, but I think Lee/Ravens is a match that makes sense. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Brendan @MarshRandy you're probably right. I wonder if Idzik would be interested in doing a slight trade up for Lee (if they really like him after the combine), going up a couple picks wouldn't cost a ton like a Watkins trade up 

bob
bob

@Brendan@MarshRandy

Oh that's right the Ravens are draft right before us shucks. Cant see them passing on Lee but if they do..that would be one big yahoo.

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy I just don't think Lee gets past the Ravens. The Steelers could potentially pass because all they have are smallish receivers and 6' 190 pound Lee would be the biggest guy they have if they drafted him.