Daily Links: Deep impact




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a57se
a57se

OK, more boredom settling in so that means only one thing, time for some more trivia!!!


Match the NY Jets QB with his career NY Jets generated Passer Rating!


1. Joe Namath

2. Ken O'Brien

3. Vinny Testaverde

4. Chad Pennington

5. Brett Favre

6. Mark Sanchez

7. Boomer Esiason

8. Neil O'Donnel

9. Richard Todd

10. Geno Smith


1.  88.9

2.  81.0

3.  81.0

4.  80.2

5.  78.2

6.  76.7

7.  71.7

8.  68.6

9.  66.5

10. 65.8

Bent
Bent moderator

Hey BDarc - I wanted to pick you up on something you were saying yesterday (or maybe the day before) as I was unable to post until now.  You seemed to be mocking people for suggesting that Vlad was a good player solely based on PFF metrics.  I'd just like to clarify that if that was a shot at me, all I wrote in my BGA on him was that the offense performed the same or better statistically with him in the game rather than Slauson in 2012.  Film study and analysis did not factor into it at all and PFF grades were never mentioned.


In fact, it's unlikely anyone based their positive view on PFF grades because his playing time hasn't been that much so he basically had a neutral grade over the course of his career.  More likely they probably based it on the fact that had so obviously outplayed the other guards (Colon excepted) in preseason last year.


While you should question anyone who takes PFF grades at face value, you seem to be writing Ducasse off on the basis that this is the only reason anyone has anything positive to say about him which would be inaccurate in this particular case.


Will Ducasse succeed in Minnesota?  Who knows?   If he's adjusting to another scheme change, we know that's been something he's struggled with at times.  However, while he was a Jet, he did a reasonable job while he was in there for the most part, albeit moreso in the running game.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

“You don’t finish in the Top 10 if you’re not committed to the run, so we’re still committed to the run,” Lynn said. “We’re going to run the football and when people try to take it away from us, we’re going to take advantage of what they give us and we’re going to go over their heads. So that’s Ground & Pound.”        http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-ericallenfb/Camp-Countdown-Jets-Have-Deep-Experienced-RB-Stable/7c3b8424-e170-4e58-98e1-ed765cebb6d7

BDarc23
BDarc23

Geno article... Smith finished with 3,046 passing yards, 12 passing touchdowns and 21 interceptions, while the team ranked next-to-last in passing offense in the NFL.


What do you think a realistic stat line is for Geno in a best case scenario and worst case (healthy) scenario?  I think best case is 3800 yds, 20 TD and 12 INT.  Worst case 3200 YDS/14 TD/20 INT.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

How will the Jets use their Running backs?   Ivory on 1st and second down/goal line, CJ on third down to try to bust one and change it up and the swiss knife Powell mixed in to give the other two some rest. 


Geno needs to blossom and he will. With another year under his belt and an upgraded supporting cast, expect a big jump.


Woody helping that Vet buy a home was awesome, kudos Mr. Johnson!


Lankster seems like he has his act together. I would like to see him be a integral part of the secondary. He does show ability. I hope he lights it up in camp.

a57se
a57se

Is this too hard to even venture a guess?

Should I have put this in the other thread where people seem to be commenting?

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent Wow. I did make a snarky PFF comment the other day about Vlad being number 4 on the depth chart.  I would say it was a bit of a shot against tsjc, Brendan and you...but not about your BGA.  Just all the arguments in the comments related to Ducasse (which I was never really a part of).  I have for sure read both tsjc and Brendan classify him as a "good" starter based on PFF. It was really just a joke though.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

I loved Vlad's pancakes...wish he did that more often.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 I think best case is probably a little closer to a 1:1 TD/INT split. Maybe something like 3800yards, 22 TD and 18 INT's with a couple of rushing TD's. 


I'd love if he put up what you posted, but I think a realistic best-case is close to 1:1 than 2:1 TD:INT. 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@BDarc23 I agree basically with your best case, but not your worst case. He is now in more control of the offense. His first season he was transitioning from a simple college offense and had a massive amount on his plate. At the end of the season he was learning to scramble and showed much better ball control and awareness. With that growth and better weapons, he will not have close to all those INTS. I say the worst scenario is 3,500 YDS  17/TDS and 14 INTS. 

jdb4
jdb4

@jake100 

I don't think that is quite how it is going to work.

They are going to get playing time based on the packages that Marty will install.  

 It will be game and situation specific.  Saying 1st and 2nd vs 3rd and change of pace is largely a media simplification. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 I don't think they're going to go with that sort of approach (designated downs for certain players). I think a couple of things will run the RB's this year. I think the team will go with a hot hand. If CJ is slicing defenses apart, he'll earn more carries. If Ivory is the one dismantling defenses, he'll get them. I don't think there will be a huge disparity between the two since the team has already stated its intention to use both to keep the other fresh. And Powell is a solid, if unspectacular, RB who can share some reps (and that's assuming he's not beat out by one of the other talented backs the team has/will have). If they were to find a consistent groove, I would think they'd use CJ early and then bring in the battering ram late in the game against a tired defense. Think Shonn Greene circa 2010, but much better. 

a57se
a57se

OK, Time for the answer everyone has been waiting for!!!

Joe Namath---65.8

Geno Smith---66.5

Richard Todd---68.6

Mark Sanchez---71.7

Neil O'Donnel---76.7

Boomer Esiason---78.2

Vinny Testaverde---80.2

Brett Favre---81.0

Ken O'Brien---81.0

Chad Pennington---88.9

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 No, you haven't seen me ever call him a "good starter." I've stated he played well in games (like when he canceled out top-DL Gerald McCoy in Week 1 last year) and you've seen me say he's had good per-play grades (in 2012, as a part-time player), but I've never said he was a "good starter." I said he could be, and I thought he probably would have been fine if they left him in there last year, but that's different than saying he's a good starter. 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Brendan @jake100 Interesting and  a lot also depends on the style defense that they face. The bottom line is we are loaded at RB baby! I still think most games will be ivory as the battering ram and goal line and CJ  trying to torch a tired defense with Powell mixed in to keep the two primary's fresh. We shall see.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @BDarc23 I have no way to back up my claim so ok. To clarify, I'm talking about daily discussions last offseason with you and tsjc almost taking on the whole TJB commenting community about Vlad being a bust, needing a FA starter, letting Slauson go, DeGuglielmo being forced to play him, needing to draft a rd 1 Guard, etc... I can't say for sure you said that the Jets already had a good starter but it was said multiple times on here and it was because of his PFF stats.  Maybe there are others that felt this as well but it was a small group.


EDIT- and it really was just a joke. TJBers call out eachother all the time on predictions and opinions that went bad.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 If Mark passed for 17/13 in Y2, I think 22/18 with Geno is fairly reasonable since I think Geno will prove to be the more efficient passer with Marty/Lee behind him. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23 It can't have been based on PFF stats, because his PFF stats aren't anything significant.  If that was what someone was using as their reasoning, then they must have got the wrong end of the stick.


That's the only reason I picked up on it.  I had no issue with what you said other than that.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent @BDarc23 I'm sure it's just my selective memory playing tricks on me and I am also probably exaggerating.