Daily Links: Do you know how fast you were going?

  • New Jets receiver Jacoby Ford says he’s still really fast [NJ]
  • Dimitri Patterson said he underwent groin surgery in Week 17 [NYP]
  • Shed no tears for missing out on DeSean [ESPN NY]
  • Teams in need can find bargains in next phase of free agency [CBS]
  • Mock Draft [Drafttek]



264 comments
karlhungus
karlhungus

Seems like D. Alexander would be right up our alley.... wouldn't mind throwing him in the mix at all at WR if the draft board at WR doesn't fall our way or we go in another direction...


Alexander Arceri
Alexander Arceri

I doubt the Jets draft Lee. With Kerley and Ford already being undersized recievers I hope the Jets go for a big body type like Ebron or maybe Benjamin

WW85
WW85

Lee, Beckham & Cooks all seem identical to me. From what I've read, I like Cooks the best because he is much faster than the other two--if he fails on the outside he will be very good in the slot if Kerley goes down. All 3 of them are small & wily Victor Cruz types.   I'm not thrilled about spending a 1st rounder on this type of receiver.


Anyone look at Davante Adams or Kelvin Benjamin?  Much bigger, stronger types but less talented than the small guys & they will be available at 18.

boose2
boose2

Something that I have to disagree with some of you on is the notion that the Jets have to take a TE/WR in the 1st round. Or even a CB for that matter. I understand that these are big needs for our team, but I don't feel like we can go into the draft saying we are picking one of these positions no matter what.

For example only... lets say Amaro, Cooks & Fuller are available when we pick at 18. If these guys didn't grade out well with our scouts, then we can't take them just cause they our biggest needs. Again, these example players could also be Lee, Ebron, Dennard, etc. Idk who is where on our big board ...I'm saying if we didn't rate them high before the draft, we can't panic & take a player just bec other players we were high on were drafted already at that position.

I feel like you have to have value in your selections. Just bec a player was taken in the 1st round does not make them a #1 CB, WR, etc. For every Megatron, AJ, Fitz... there is a Heyward-Bey, Mike/Roy Williams. & keep in mind also that #1 WRs aren't always a 1st rd pick - TO, Cris Carter, Boldin, Chad Johnson & so on. I think we take BPA on our board at 18. It's seemed to work with at least our last 4 or 5 first round picks.

jimjets
jimjets

draft?   if we come out of this with anything less than either the top wr, corner or te available i'll be pissed

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

check out @PeteSmithWTFP's twitter timeline for good receiver breakdowns

Pat d
Pat d

All this talk about ODB moving up draft boards is media hype. Just a week ago the WRs were dropping because this draft is so deep at the WR position.

Watkins, Evans and Lee are the best WRs in this draft. If Lee stays healthy he could end up being the best.

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

I'd just like to point out before everyone moves to the next thread, that there has been almost universal agreement that ODBJr would be a good pick for us in the last few minutes. Not sure everyone on the blog has got along so well in weeks....

twin
twin

What do you guys think about the release of Djax but the philly FO keeping RILEY COOPER and signing him to a new contract?     The coverage of djax gang ties but the lack of coverage of JIM IRSAY...... Is it a black & white issue that we are still dealing with in America?  Just an honest question coming from an honest observation.  Fair or Unfair??

a57se
a57se

Multiple executives tell Bleacher Report that LSU WR Odell Beckham is "solidly" the No. 3 wideout available.

Clemson's Sammy Watkins and Texas A&M's Mike Evans are widely expected to be the first two wideouts off the board. After that, Beckham will be in play along with USC's Marqise Lee and Oregon State's Brandin Cooks. Reporter Dan Pompei says Beckham has separated himself and "could be chosen as early as the late teens in the first round." We'd be stunned if he got past the Eagles at No. 22. 

Beckham climbing up draft boards.........arrrgggghhhh!

a57se
a57se

@WW85  

You should think about watching some tape on each of them. you will see very quickly they are not the same player x's 3.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@WW85 FWIW, Lee looks to me to be the best scheme fit as he ran a ton of WCO routes at USC.  His bread and butter were crossing routes, while the other guys ran less challenging routes.

Alexander Arceri
Alexander Arceri

@boose2  I really feel like this might be a draft where we want to trade down for more picks. If anyone would bite at 18 I'd move down for another 2nd round pick

SackDance99
SackDance99

@boose2 I completely agree.  For instance, whose to say that Donte Moncrief doesn't become one of the best WRs in this draft?  What about Martavis Bryant and his 6-4 frame and 4.15 shuttle?  These are 2nd-3rd round guys.  I'm all for BPA at 18 for positions of need and on this team that includes LB, DB, OG, RB along with WR and TE.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hank you're the best!

Idzik is in his flippers :) no doubt

Snorkeling through the FA sewer.....and then going for a happy meal to refuel! But only if it costs 99 cents

twin
twin

5 second rule lol

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hate to break it to you Patty Cakes but Watkins, Evans, & Lee still have to prove it in the NFL. There are no sure things. There was a time when people said Ryan Leaf was a can't miss QB and Blair Thomas was a can't miss RB. There are a million other examples of guys who get over hyped prior to the draft!

For all we know Brandin Cooks could have the best career of all these WR's!

Nobody thought Russell Wilson was the best QB in his draft class....same with Brady and Brees....

You making statements that Lee, Evans, and Watkins are unquestionably the best is just foolish....They are the most hyped....and I like them all...but don't act like ODB and Cooks are chopped liver!

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@Pat d  You ruined it. Straight after my comment and everything.... ;)

hansumjay
hansumjay

@twin  think they were using whatever they had to justify penny pinching and D-Jax being a diva diva wouldn't be enough to justify cutting a play maker of his ilk.

WW85
WW85

@twin  I think it's totally outrageous if Philly leaked that story about Djax. The guy has never been in any serious trouble. Djax is a diva, but not a gang member. I hope he tears the Eagles apart for the next few years.

Bent
Bent moderator

@twin  Honestly I think Jackson's departure was more to do with money and his me-first attitude.


Maybe they leaked that story to make his release more palatable in the eyes of the fanbase, but I don't know that for sure.


I was definitely surprised that they more or less swept what Cooper did under the carpet but I guess that's consistent with their organization giving Vick a second chance (regardless of your feelings about the comparative severity of the two indiscretions).


No need for a race debate.  I literally don't see any connection between Cooper and Jackson.





davem
davem

My opinion is... The comments on this question will not end well :)

Pat d
Pat d

No one is climbing up draft boards, that's fantasy.

Every team knows who's who.

Lee is better than Beckham and Benjamin.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I agree with you a57se about ODB. He has huge hands just like Hakeem Nicks. Odell's hands are bigger than Mike Evan's hands and Evans is 6 foot 5. ODB is a guy who catches the ball very well. He is a faster version of Hakeem Nicks with better moves and speed.

I'd be ecstatic if the Jets pick him with the 18th pick. He is a fluid athlete with great moves and reliable consistent hands who can make the difficult catches look easy

Hoz
Hoz

@a57se  i seen this coming he's my fav after watkins no surprise here.

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@a57se  Makes sense though. We think we're interested, so that could easily be true.

WW85
WW85

@a57se I watched tape on all 3. Yes they do have different styles. Let's face it the highlight reel makes all 3 of them look like stars. I don't think any of them will have an easy time with a tough press corner.  Who do you like best? I'm def not locked into my view of liking Cooks the best.

WW85
WW85

@SackDance99 Lee def seems talented & has more size, but he is very slow:  4.53  vs 4.43 for Beckham & 4.33 for Cooks. Lee also has injury issues.  Did you look at the highlight reel for Cooks? He makes a lot of plays out of the backfield which I thought was interesting.  One thing about Beckham is he faced talented corners every week, but when he faced Alabama, he didn't show up. But none of them have really proved themselves against top corners--well maybe Lee has faced some good corners. Not sure.

boose2
boose2

Exactly...they are saying this is a deep WR draft, so I dont doubt at all that there will be diamonds in the rough in the later rounds.

If Rex & Idzik think there is the next Ed Reed sitting at 18, I'm not drafting 'Bryan Thomas' because he is our bigger team need.

& just to be clear.. I have zero hatred against Beckham, Lee, Cooks, etc. I just trust the Jets' intelligence to make the best value pick based on their predictions.

levi
levi

@bradysucks  I still dont think Wilson is that great of a QB. He has a hella team around him. You are crazy if you think he's better than Luck.

Pat d
Pat d

If Lee stays healthy he will be the best WR in this draft.

twin
twin

Agreed no need for a race debate that's why I asked the question..... To get honest opinions.....

a57se
a57se

@davem  

My opinion is, i will keep my opinion to myself on this one.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks  

Benjamin has 9 and 1/4" hands.....a lot smaller than Beckham.....

a57se
a57se

@Hoz @a57se 

I actually think he might be better than Watkins.......he just got stuck with Zack Mettenberger as his QB  and a run first offense.

a57se
a57se

@Marvel @a57se 

Yeah, that is what I was afraid of............those last two wins are gonna end up costing us. 

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

I wouldn't suggest looking at highlight reels.......draft breakdown is the best free archive for watching prospects. They typically highlight the player and show all the plays he was in on for the game......if a WR drops a pass, it is there as well as his big TD.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@boose2  


The greater flexibility the Jets have going into this draft the better.  They have lots of areas of need, and this draft is rich and deep enough to offer them top quality talent in virtually all of them.    No need to restrict your options in round one to this or that player.   


Yes, we need WR's, but that's the deepest position in this draft, so no need to lose an opportunity to also get a CB, TE,  OLB, or even OL by taking receiver 'A' first when receiver 'B' is just as good and can be taken in later rounds.  





levi
levi

@Hanknaples I could probably live off that. I was just pointing out that there are still good finds out there. I know you like Patterson.

Zartan
Zartan

@bradysucks  I do, and that's fine. Luck is a do it yourself gun gunslinger. Wilson plays under control and make the clutch plays.


Elway is my favorite QB and i'd pick him over anyone from past or present. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I don't think Wilson is better than Luck.....I made my point though which is that the hype isn't always right

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@MarshRandy @Pat d  I'd be tempted to agree - but best is relatively subjective anyhow.


Most statistically productive however, well that could be a different question.

twin
twin

According to SB's. That's how qb's are judged....

SackDance99
SackDance99

@twin Also, Philly signed Maclin, albeit to a relatively modest contract, and still have Jason Avant in the mix.  So, race would not appear to be an issue.  Chip Kelly and DJax didn't get along well and DJax would've cost a lot of money.  They have Nick Foles' contract coming on the horizon and a smart GM would plan for the big bucks that Foles will cost.

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

From everything I've read about how teams prepare for the draft, I would say teams have not finalized their draft boards and players positioning is still in flux.

Pat d
Pat d

You think players are climbing up the Pats draft board

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@Hazard2012 @ukjetsfan @bradysucks  I can agree with that as a point of debate, but I think ODB deserves to be in that conversation with that group of players you mention. 


After that it comes down to personal preference for us, and Team preference int he draft. As fans, we all love to think we're on the same wavelength, but we seldom are. That's my we comment on blogs, and their working for the jets eh? ;)

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@bradysucks  


I see it differently.   The only way I'm taking a WR first in this draft is---either Watkins or Evans fall---or I've traded back from 18, perhaps more than once, gathering extra 2nd or 3rd rounders as I go, to maybe pick in the mid-twenties.   If ODB, or Cooks or Lee are still there then, I'd take them, because I'd now have additional 2nd & 3rd round picks with which to now go get a top TE, CB and OLB and still have my 4th rounders to go WR again, OL & RB.   


Outside of those two instances I'm picking my WR in later rounds.  

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@ukjetsfan @Hazard2012 @bradysucks  


Suspect we'd all have slightly different responses to that question, but I think you see my point.   ODB is good, even very good, but he's not clearly elite in the same way some of the guys I mentioned are.   


Now, all the top guys I listed, among others, won't fall to 18, but it's almost certain that several of them will, and that's the dilemma Idzik will face.      

bradysucks
bradysucks

I think taking the best available WR in round 1 is the smart move for the Jets.

The NFL is a league where smart teams help out their QB. The first thing the Colts did after drafting Andrew Luck was they drafted 2 TE's and some WR's!

This is just one example.

Geno Smith needs help and this is a great draft to get him help in round 1 and round 2

Smart teams help out their QB!

Pat d
Pat d

The only question in regards to Lee is the injury in 2013. Lee is a TD machine. Also a much better blocker than ODB.

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@Hazard2012 @bradysucks  Evans no, Ebron yes, CBs maybe, Pryor yes, Dix no, Barr no, Martin yes


Take any of the other guys and I target Allen Robinson in the 2nd

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@bradysucks  


Watkins is definitely gone by 18, but Evans may not be.   That's how fluid this draft could be.  


Evans, Ebron, Dennard, Gilbert, Pryor, Dix, Barr, Martin, etc. could also be there at 18...or even later...and if they are...and you also know you can probably get a Robinson, Matthews, Benjamin, Moncrief, Adams, Landry, or Bryant, etc. with a later pick are you passing on the above guys to take ODB?  





bradysucks
bradysucks

Watkins & Evans are gone when the Jets pick at 18

Hand size helps a WR if they have the route running ability, speed, and eye hand coordination to go with it....ODB has all of these things

bradysucks
bradysucks

I like Lee also

The thing about Lee is he didn't have a good QB to help him his senior year and he ran a 4.5 at the combine.

I'd be happy with Lee but you cannot just say Lee is better than ODB. You have no idea how Lee will translate to the NFL game....

They are both very good. ODB has better hands...

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@bradysucks  


It's Watkins and Evans at the top, period.  No one else is in the conversation.   Evans is bigger, stronger, can absolutely destroy safeties and CB's, and is virtually as fast as Beckham.  


Forget hand size, guys.  Evans can ball, and should be the most productive receiver in this draft out of the box because he's such a target.  


Beckham's a really good receiver, and I'd love to get him, but one can have more of a debate whether he's better than Lee & Cooks, etc. than you can comparing him to Watkins or Evans.    

Pat d
Pat d

bradysucks

You wanted the Jets to get Johnny Football. Have you seen the inaccurate throws that Evans caught.

Lee is better than ODB

bradysucks
bradysucks

ODB is 5 foot 11 and his hands are bigger than the 6 foot 5 Evans.

I like ODB better than Evans. He is much faster and has much better moves. He is an awesome athlete who makes one handed catches look easy.

He needs to get stronger but has huge upside.

He reminds me of a faster version of Hakeem Nicks

ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@twin @a57se @Hoz  Nah Watkins looks like star. Much could change, but he just looks like a game changer of a WR

twin
twin

@a57se @Hoz Watkins is a beast he can run around you, thru you & over you.... BEAST

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hazard2012 @funkymonk @Marvel  Yep, I can see us having to pay each of the free agents more because who wants to join a 6-10 team that ended the year on a 1-6 streak?


Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@funkymonk @Marvel  


Exactly, and there's a big difference in mindset and outlook between 6-10 and 8-8.   18 is actually pretty good in a draft this rich and deep. Good for getting a top quality player at any number of positions sitting pat, good for potentially trading up, and even better for trading down.   

a57se
a57se

@Marvel @a57se 

I'm not sure about saving Rex' job....according to what Woody said at the time, the decision was made a couple weeks before the season finale.

There is no such thing as momentum from one season to the next so winning to finish the season is meaningless.

It just feels better to the fans.

I wish the Dolphins HAD made the playoffs, they would be drafting much lower and wouldn't have gotten anywhere anyway.........

Some talents are better then others. 

just look at the 2008 Draft where if we had lost to KC the last game of the 2007 season instead of winning 13-10 in OT, we would have had the third pick instead of no. 6.

We would have taken Matt Ryan instead of Vernon Gholston. 

This franchise would be in a lot better shape if that had happened.


funkymonk
funkymonk

@Marvel Three very good reasons for those wins:


- Crushed Dolphins' playoff hopes

- Saved Rex Ryan's job

- It's more fun to watch your team win, even meaningless wins

Marvel
Marvel

@a57se  

still don't understand why people wanted those wins so bad. 

 On the other hand they may have saved Rex's job so you can't really harp on it.


Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se  


Those last two wins also breathed some hope into this season.   There's entirely too much top quality talent in this draft to worry about any one particular player coming off the board.    We're guaranteed a top talent in the first round...it's just a matter of which one.   The more flexible we are the better.