Daily Links: Even Slower

  • Eric Decker not named top-10 in the NFL [Cover32]
  • Stephen Hill touts growth, literal and mental, during the offseason  [Metro]
  • Sorting through a crowded backfield [ESPN NY]
  • Does Mike Vick play better the more he gets hit? [PFF]
  • Expecting the usual turnover among NFL playoff teams? Not in 2014 [CBS]
  • Vince Wilfork dominates Memorial Day [Fox Sports]



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borisjets
borisjets

I personally grew an inch and a half at 23. My friends said I was a liar, and it was impossible. I'm gonna email them the Hill article.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

Yeah, saw in SI Fansided rumors that Dion Jordan might be on the market...and that Jets were considered a possible landing spot, and that he had also bulked up.   Anyone know if there's any substance to this 'rumor' re Jets interest? 


Didn't really follow Jordan's play w/Miami last season, but he didn't exactly light the league on fire.  Not sure how he played or was used.   Do recall all the banter about him as a good fit for us prior to last year's draft, though.  


Any thoughts?    

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Aren't we supposed to get our Secret Superstar profile today? Checked the site and don't see it, sadly.

greggreen
greggreen

really like that hill has gotten bigger. Now he just needs to work on using his size to block the corner from the ball. I might be in the minority here but im been pretty happy with hills progression. He improved on his catching and rout running in his second year. Now he just needs to learn to use his size. I do wish he would of given us a number on his added muscle though. Like 5-8 more lbs since he was drafted 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Hazard2012  I'd love to see what Rex could do with Jordan. It's going to take an unconventional mind to get the most out of this guy. I knew as soon as Miami drafted him he was going to be a bust. No way he's a DE in the NFL.

He's really a giant safety. He'd be perfect as a versatile Sam in Rex' defense. He can do it all, but you cannot let the offense know where he is, or what he's going to do.

I'd love him as the MLB in the nickel/dime. You can have jam TEs, cover a zone, or blitz. I mean imagine him dropping into coverage with his height he could play up 10 yards closer to the line than an average LB and still cover the middle of the field.

About the only thing this guy cannot do is beat an NFL tackle from a 3 point stance, which is exactly what Miami asked him to do.

Rex would have a field day designing plays for this kid.

williamg1
williamg1

@Hazard2012 If he is on the market, the last place he'll be traded is within the AFC East. 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Brendan  Now a really smart DC would make him lose that weight right away. He's never going to be a DE....Stupid Dolphins ;) 

__fense
__fense

@jaygo That horse doesn't seem to have any chrome on him at all!

williamg1
williamg1

@Marcus Armstrong If we look back after the season, and Stephan Hill was our secret superstar, we would have had a really good season. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marcus Armstrong They do three a day, early morning, late morning and afternoon, in alphabetical order...and the Giants one just went up.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong It's coming, I believe. I think they've been doing a couple of them per day and they just posted the Giants. Next up? 

Pat d
Pat d

Hill's catching is terrible

Zartan
Zartan

@greggreen Results are important but Hill can't throw himself the ball. He was open on so many plays and never received the ball(maddening). Article says how Hill went a stretch of 3 games without a catch but was not targeted , tell me now that he and Geno did not have beef.


Bottom line, Hill can be good and you guys should lay off. I'm trying to say it nicely.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@williamg1


Probably true, and I'm sure Chip Kelly would be interested, though I read a possible trade involving Graham fell through.   


Was more focused on Jordan's possible fit for Rex.   Also, if Jordan's gained that much weight, has it cost him speed and quickness? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I meant that "not good" for the Jets. 265 lbs. keeps Jordan on the field more, most likely. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Marcus Armstrong The fact that they selected Hankins for the Giants (backup defensive tackle who graded out really well in limited action) strengthens my belief that Big Ken will be the choice for the Jets.

Brendan
Brendan

@Zartan Hill was targeted in every game he played in last year, he went three straight games without a catch (NO, @Buf, @BLT). 


Baltimore was the game he played about half the snaps because his knee was wearing down, so it's fair to assume this was bothering him in at least the Buffalo game, possibly the Saints, also. 


This also coincided with Geno's worst stretch of play the entire season. Hill was targeted once against the Saints, but Geno only attempted 18 passes in a game where they rushed it 36 times. Hill was then targeted 5 times, dropping 1 pass and catching none of the others against Buffalo. This was the game Geno was benched in. Hill was thrown to 3 times by Geno and twice by Simms. I don't see how this proves there was a feud between the two men, though. The next game was Baltimore, with Geno in prime suck-mode and Hill hobbling around while playing half the snaps he normally did. 


Geno/Hill clearly don't have chemistry, but jumping to a feud is a huge jump without any real support on that claim. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se 

Oddly enough, Ellis' girlfriend was Eley's mentor, up unto the point of the assault.  I don't know where all the baseball bat stuff comes from, but there seems to be a lot going on in this story.  He's probably lucky to have gotten off lightly.  Hopefully he'll continue to keep his nose clean, because one more offense and he's likely headed back to Jamaica. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se 

Kenrick A. Ellis, 24, a second-year nose tackle with the Jets and a former all-conference player at HU, was charged in April 2010 with an on-campus attack that left a fellow student unconscious. That student, Dennis Eley, had his jaw and nose broken and several teeth knocked out, according to the prosecutor on the case.

The altercation followed a dispute a day earlier between Eley and Ellis' girlfriend, according to a summary of facts read at the hearing by the prosecutor. Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Amy McMullen said the assault took place after Ellis spotted Eley on campus and asked him to come talk to him. In the ensuing altercation, she said, he "got behind Eley and put his arm across his throat."

Just before the hearing, Eley and his family objected to the provision that Ellis would enter an Alford plea rather than an "actual" guilty plea. At the hearing, McMullen asked to delete the line that said Eley's family "is in agreement with the recommended disposition."

Eley's family strongly denounced the deal after the hearing. "You burned my son with this offer," Eley's mother, Migdalen Eley, an HU grad, told McMullen in the court's hallway. She said her son required several surgeries in recovery.

Dennis Eley, while agreeing with his mother that the Alford plea should not have been part of the agreement, said he was glad Ellis was going to be punished. "He is still going to jail," Eley said. "He's still going to have a criminal record for the rest of his life."

Ellis played one season at South Carolina before being dismissed in 2008 for repeated violations of team and university policy. He transferred to Hampton University and played three seasons for the Pirates

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@SackDance99 @Hazard2012 @williamg1  He's going to be worth more to Rex than almost anyone else. Maybe Belichick. There is no position this kid can play. You would have to invent a new position to get the most out of this kid.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@SackDance99 @Hazard2012 @williamg1


Agree, though stranger things have happened.  Not sure Miami will cut a first-round pick --- one they moved up to get, I think --- after only one year; but it doesn't sound like he fits in with their plans, either.   If they really believed he could terrorize QB's for the next decade I doubt he'd be on the market.  



Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent He was 100% by midseason, but it definitely cost him reps early in the year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent I think they could have achieved that anyway simply by playing Ellis more.  15-20 snaps a game extra between Ellis and Douzable could have done that for Richardson and Wilkerson without much of a drop-off.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent It may have been the plan before Coples went down too.  I noticed he stopped playing on the inside much after he returned, maybe that was because they didn't want him caught up in traffic where he had more chance to reinjure his ankle?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan I think that would have been the case last year, but Coples reportedly lost 15 pounds so that may no longer be an option.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That comment ignores the fact that Coples was nothing more than a 4-3 DE, though. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They don't, which is why the Jets having two of the best young ones in the league is remarkable depth, not a shortage of it. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And Ellis. And Barnes/Finau, who the team is high on. 


They also have replenished the edge guys. 


In Rex's hybrid defense, they can run many different fronts to compensate for losing a guy like Wilkerson/Richardson (to a point, obviously they can't replace them). 


I just don't see what you expect them to do, take their player off the field 20% of the time? I'd expect him to play as much as Watt does, which is almost all the time, with limited rest while the defensive unit is on the field. 


Now if you want to just focus solely on injury, and not playing time, sure, the team could use a better player for depth. So could every team at every position, but good depth is hard to come by. The Jets have one of the deepest DL units in the entire league, expecting them to get deeper isn't really reasonable. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You're really only talking about spelling him for 3-4 plays a game. You don't need to build up the depth for that, the team should be able to use what they have. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, as soon as you mentioned him I realized he's the most logical given his limited action and high per-play grades. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Hazard2012 @Brendan @Zartan I thought that Hill wasn't running his routes right and that contributed to it looking like he and Geno weren't on the same page.  I also wonder whether Holmes actually playing hurt him?  The rumor all during camp was that Holmes wasn't ready and Hill took over his X receiver spot.  Remember, last season was Hill's first in the WCO.  Once Holmes was healthy, Hill was moved to the Z receiver and, IMO, looked like a different WR from camp.  Yeah, he was open, but not where Geno expected him and Geno himself was a rookie and learning the WCO, so any deviation from the routes would've messed up his timing.  Nelson and Kerley run great routes.


I'm ready to give both a do-over, especially since Hill will know that he's the Z going into camp and can concentrate on trying to win the starting position.  With his size and speed, Hill's worth waiting for, but Shaq and Enunwa will be gunning for him and Nelson should be even healthier this season.  There's lots of competition to start opposite Decker.

williamg1
williamg1

@Bytor @williamg1 @Brendan @Bent I hope Hill comes in with some fire. He's got to know his job is on the line -- especially since Idzik didn't draft him. I could see him making a big jump. I hope, at least. 

Bytor
Bytor

@williamg1 @Brendan @Bent I could easily see a Jerome Simpson line of 48 catches for 726 yards but more tds. Maybe add 5tds and I'd celebrate a solid Hill season.

After letting the draft settle in, I just don't see one of the rooks unseating SH barring injury of course. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1 That's the thing: if he can force the safeties backwards, everything else should work. I want to see defenses account for not only our WRs and RBs, but also our QBs. There should be plenty of 20 yard running lanes available for our Qbs. I think Geno will be smart with his legs. Since he's not inclined to run, when he does run, I don't think he's going to put himself in position to get hurt the way Vick has his entire career. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 I don't even care about final stat lines. I just want him to be effective to the point defenses have to account for him. If he's forcing safeties backwards, it will open things up in the intermediate zone that Decker could kill it in. Kerley and Cumby working the middle of the field while Hill runs the top off? 


I'd be interested to see if either of the two 4th round WR picks could do something similar (Saunders, probably), but Hill's size could be absolutely menacing with his speed combo, if he ever figures out how to use it. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @Bent just imagine if Hill ends up being something? If he could muster 700 yards it would be HUGE for us. Since no one expects anything from him, its extra. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent There it is! I knew some of the team, but not all of them, were there. Thanks for posting. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I know Geno was working out with some of his teammates earlier in the offseason, but I can't remember if hill was involved (or find a link to it). 


At least it looks like Geno realizes he needs more reps with his receivers and is trying to remedy that. 

Zartan
Zartan

@Brendan @Zartan People do it at all levels of the work place, I watch guys pretend to do more than they are while doing the bare minimum , as things around them are hard for all that's working with them.


I'll call it bad chemistry for now because i'm mostly reaching.

Brendan
Brendan

@Zartan I agree with that. Last year out of 40-something targets only 27 were catchable. 


But, again, there is a stark difference between "bad chemistry" and "I don't like that man on a personal level so I will intentionally ignore him and throw him bad passes at the detriment of my personal job security and team's well-being." 

Zartan
Zartan

@Brendan @Zartan At times, Geno would throw Hill balls that were not catchable , i understand miss-firing but i'm not buying it. 


I'm just hoping for a change in it(chemistry) this season.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Brendan @Zartan


It's safe to say Geno hasn't developed much chemistry with anyone except perhaps Nelson, yet, but I don't see evidence of feuds being the reason.   


The game was moving too fast, he was under too much duress, and his receivers were either injured or largely incompetent.  Hill falls into both categories.     


Hopefully, the game will slow down for Geno in his second year, and the line give him better protection.   The new weapons at his disposal should also help.   


The priority is probably to now get Geno on the same page with Decker and Amaro.   Kerley is always a solid and reliable target when healthy, and if Hill wants to be included (and stay on the roster) he's got to start running better routes, use that size of his to better advantage, and learn how to actually hang on to the ball when it's thrown to him --- however frequently or infrequently that might be.