Daily Links: Even Slower

  • Eric Decker not named top-10 in the NFL [Cover32]
  • Stephen Hill touts growth, literal and mental, during the offseason  [Metro]
  • Sorting through a crowded backfield [ESPN NY]
  • Does Mike Vick play better the more he gets hit? [PFF]
  • Expecting the usual turnover among NFL playoff teams? Not in 2014 [CBS]
  • Vince Wilfork dominates Memorial Day [Fox Sports]



196 comments
borisjets
borisjets

I personally grew an inch and a half at 23. My friends said I was a liar, and it was impossible. I'm gonna email them the Hill article.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

Yeah, saw in SI Fansided rumors that Dion Jordan might be on the market...and that Jets were considered a possible landing spot, and that he had also bulked up.   Anyone know if there's any substance to this 'rumor' re Jets interest? 


Didn't really follow Jordan's play w/Miami last season, but he didn't exactly light the league on fire.  Not sure how he played or was used.   Do recall all the banter about him as a good fit for us prior to last year's draft, though.  


Any thoughts?    

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Aren't we supposed to get our Secret Superstar profile today? Checked the site and don't see it, sadly.

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Hazard2012  I'd love to see what Rex could do with Jordan. It's going to take an unconventional mind to get the most out of this guy. I knew as soon as Miami drafted him he was going to be a bust. No way he's a DE in the NFL.

He's really a giant safety. He'd be perfect as a versatile Sam in Rex' defense. He can do it all, but you cannot let the offense know where he is, or what he's going to do.

I'd love him as the MLB in the nickel/dime. You can have jam TEs, cover a zone, or blitz. I mean imagine him dropping into coverage with his height he could play up 10 yards closer to the line than an average LB and still cover the middle of the field.

About the only thing this guy cannot do is beat an NFL tackle from a 3 point stance, which is exactly what Miami asked him to do.

Rex would have a field day designing plays for this kid.

williamg1
williamg1

@Hazard2012 If he is on the market, the last place he'll be traded is within the AFC East. 

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@Brendan  Now a really smart DC would make him lose that weight right away. He's never going to be a DE....Stupid Dolphins ;) 

__fense
__fense

@jaygo That horse doesn't seem to have any chrome on him at all!

williamg1
williamg1

@Marcus Armstrong If we look back after the season, and Stephan Hill was our secret superstar, we would have had a really good season. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marcus Armstrong They do three a day, early morning, late morning and afternoon, in alphabetical order...and the Giants one just went up.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong It's coming, I believe. I think they've been doing a couple of them per day and they just posted the Giants. Next up? 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@williamg1


Probably true, and I'm sure Chip Kelly would be interested, though I read a possible trade involving Graham fell through.   


Was more focused on Jordan's possible fit for Rex.   Also, if Jordan's gained that much weight, has it cost him speed and quickness? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I meant that "not good" for the Jets. 265 lbs. keeps Jordan on the field more, most likely. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Marcus Armstrong The fact that they selected Hankins for the Giants (backup defensive tackle who graded out really well in limited action) strengthens my belief that Big Ken will be the choice for the Jets.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se 

Oddly enough, Ellis' girlfriend was Eley's mentor, up unto the point of the assault.  I don't know where all the baseball bat stuff comes from, but there seems to be a lot going on in this story.  He's probably lucky to have gotten off lightly.  Hopefully he'll continue to keep his nose clean, because one more offense and he's likely headed back to Jamaica. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se 

Kenrick A. Ellis, 24, a second-year nose tackle with the Jets and a former all-conference player at HU, was charged in April 2010 with an on-campus attack that left a fellow student unconscious. That student, Dennis Eley, had his jaw and nose broken and several teeth knocked out, according to the prosecutor on the case.

The altercation followed a dispute a day earlier between Eley and Ellis' girlfriend, according to a summary of facts read at the hearing by the prosecutor. Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Amy McMullen said the assault took place after Ellis spotted Eley on campus and asked him to come talk to him. In the ensuing altercation, she said, he "got behind Eley and put his arm across his throat."

Just before the hearing, Eley and his family objected to the provision that Ellis would enter an Alford plea rather than an "actual" guilty plea. At the hearing, McMullen asked to delete the line that said Eley's family "is in agreement with the recommended disposition."

Eley's family strongly denounced the deal after the hearing. "You burned my son with this offer," Eley's mother, Migdalen Eley, an HU grad, told McMullen in the court's hallway. She said her son required several surgeries in recovery.

Dennis Eley, while agreeing with his mother that the Alford plea should not have been part of the agreement, said he was glad Ellis was going to be punished. "He is still going to jail," Eley said. "He's still going to have a criminal record for the rest of his life."

Ellis played one season at South Carolina before being dismissed in 2008 for repeated violations of team and university policy. He transferred to Hampton University and played three seasons for the Pirates

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

@SackDance99 @Hazard2012 @williamg1  He's going to be worth more to Rex than almost anyone else. Maybe Belichick. There is no position this kid can play. You would have to invent a new position to get the most out of this kid.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@SackDance99 @Hazard2012 @williamg1


Agree, though stranger things have happened.  Not sure Miami will cut a first-round pick --- one they moved up to get, I think --- after only one year; but it doesn't sound like he fits in with their plans, either.   If they really believed he could terrorize QB's for the next decade I doubt he'd be on the market.  



Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent He was 100% by midseason, but it definitely cost him reps early in the year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent I think they could have achieved that anyway simply by playing Ellis more.  15-20 snaps a game extra between Ellis and Douzable could have done that for Richardson and Wilkerson without much of a drop-off.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

This is one of the hidden depth situations that was all the rage in Flo Park a couple years ago.........

If we didn't have 10 O'linemen on the roster we could of had another rotation guy for the D'line and kept these guys fresher for the end of the year.


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent It may have been the plan before Coples went down too.  I noticed he stopped playing on the inside much after he returned, maybe that was because they didn't want him caught up in traffic where he had more chance to reinjure his ankle?

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

That may well have been the plan before Barnes went down. We would have been really thin either way.


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan I think that would have been the case last year, but Coples reportedly lost 15 pounds so that may no longer be an option.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

So are you implying that Coples would have moved to Wilk or Hoggs' position if one of them would have gone down?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That comment ignores the fact that Coples was nothing more than a 4-3 DE, though. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Interesting that at the end of the PFF piece on Ellis being the Jets secret superstar, they mention that the Jets were one of the few teams to only play 5 defensive linemen all season..........I think we need to add another to the rotation for the sake of our better players.....the line did look a little tired down the stretch last year.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They don't, which is why the Jets having two of the best young ones in the league is remarkable depth, not a shortage of it. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I'm just looking at last years' in season roster where the only spares were Dooz for Wilk/Hogg and Ellis for Snacks......we did have Finau and Barnes on the practice squad so there is depth there.........If they show in the preseason games, we may not be able to stash them on the PS. I am more concerned about Barnes then Finau to be honest as NT's don't grow on trees.....



Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And Ellis. And Barnes/Finau, who the team is high on. 


They also have replenished the edge guys. 


In Rex's hybrid defense, they can run many different fronts to compensate for losing a guy like Wilkerson/Richardson (to a point, obviously they can't replace them). 


I just don't see what you expect them to do, take their player off the field 20% of the time? I'd expect him to play as much as Watt does, which is almost all the time, with limited rest while the defensive unit is on the field. 


Now if you want to just focus solely on injury, and not playing time, sure, the team could use a better player for depth. So could every team at every position, but good depth is hard to come by. The Jets have one of the deepest DL units in the entire league, expecting them to get deeper isn't really reasonable. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I get your point but if one of our guys Hogg or Wilk) were to get hurt, we only have Douz as the back-up.......we could use one more guy.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You're really only talking about spelling him for 3-4 plays a game. You don't need to build up the depth for that, the team should be able to use what they have. 

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @Bent 

I think we need a little more depth on the D'Line......we can not keep WIlk on the field for 94% of the Defensive snaps......hopefully Finau steps up this year so he and Douz can provide quality reps to get the big guys a little more rest.....

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, as soon as you mentioned him I realized he's the most logical given his limited action and high per-play grades.