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165 comments
MarshRandy
MarshRandy

I don't understand why some people think Austin Howard will be playing for another team next year 

privatejet
privatejet

Idzik has done a sub-par job so far. Let's hope he can turn things around soon.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se Ugh. Not a big fan. Reminded me a lot of old-man Pace, which is exactly what I don't want.

juunit
juunit

@a57se  

"Word out of Alabama is the coaches weren't disappointed that outside linebacker Adrian Hubbard entered the 2014 NFL Draft. WalterFootball.com heard that the Crimson Tide didn't do much of a sales job to try to have Hubbard to return for another season. He had a disappointing 2013 season after coming on strong down the stretch in 2012. When Nick Saban approached Hubbard after a practice this week, Hubbard wasn't exactly jumping for joy to see his old coach. Hubbard looks like he could go as high as the third round and as low as the fifth round."

Pass. 

harold
harold

@57se

Pace is a good example (took him time to develop). Hubbard is going probably 1st 4 rounds.  I just think he is 5th or 6th rounder.  Because he really doesn't have a Pro ready skill right now.

Bytor
Bytor

@MarshRandy We may have a new right guard next year as well as a developing Winters. There is no way they'll let Howard go. No freakin' way.  

SackDance99
SackDance99

@MarshRandyUntil it's announced that he has re-signed, the "chicken littles" will wail about losing or replacing him.  It doesn't make any sense, but that never stops speculation.

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy IT'S POSSIBLE! YOU HAVE TO LET US TALK ABOUT THINGS IF THEY'RE TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE EVEN IF THEY'RE INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@privatejet

Yeah,  he should have at least 2 Super Bowl wins with the Jets by now.  What a slouch.

Vincent Winner
Vincent Winner

@a57se I feel like we should resign RT Howard, PK Folk, TE Cumberland (though hopefully as the #2), Douzable (b/c why mess with a good thing and he should be cheap), resign Cromartie/sign a solid FA CB like Verner or even Munnerlyn.  For LG, I think we should resign Colon or Ducasse.


That leaves holes that need to be filled in FA/Draft: #1 WR, TE (ideally a #1/upgrade to Cumberland), FS (Someone who can win the job from Landry or be groomed to take over for the spot next year), #2 QB who can push Geno for the starter job, backups at OLB and ILB.


Remember that we have Berry at CB who should be healthy this year - I wouldn't be surprised if he could play at a quality starter level (I'd pencil him in before Dowling).



harold
harold

@a57se @MarcusArmstrong

I thought a57se was looking at him in that mold. So for that role I think he may be a fit.

harold
harold

@junnit

I saw a tape I believe from this season.  I guess that's why my first inclination was to pass.  But hey if we can get the 2012 tape we may have a steal.

harold
harold

Hello:

Austin Howard's agent is on the phone, he just asked me to remind you'll Howard is an unrestricted F/A.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@MarshRandyThe Jets, however, DID pursue Peyton Manning before he signed with the Broncos and nothing prevents them from trying to lure Jimmy Graham, who is a UFA.  The actual pursuit of Peyton and the speculative fan hopes of pursuing Graham make football sense.


On the other hand, what sense is there in letting Austin Howard walk?  He'll be just 27 years old in the fall, the Jets developed him into a serviceable RT, he's improved each year as a starter and he's entering his prime.  So, what purpose would be served by letting Howard leave?  It's the absurdity of the proposition that MarshRandy is complaining about, with good reason. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Vincent Winner @a57se I don't think we sign Cro as well as Verner or Shields. It's probably either/or. Verner/DMill/Wilson would be a formidable 3some and my preference. We could probably roll with last years safety group in that scenario and spend money on offense.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seIjalana, who is due $926,658 in 2014, will likely be cut.  I can't see the Jets paying him roughly double what they would pay a UDFA or late round draft pick.

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit 

It came from the senior bowl rumors. I pasted the entire bit they had. 

I don't imagine they've edited his scouting profile or his ranking on their big board since last week. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65 One sack on a stunt that the guard failed to recognized. What I noticed is that he's easy to block. His size makes him useful by merely raising his arms when he gets close to the qb.He still looked bad in coverage. I'm just not impressed.

harold
harold

He is 6'6"  so he will move a little slower but he covers ground.  He generated few pressures had a sack and I think two tackles for loss.  That is pretty good.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold Looks like he has really slow feet,can't cover or get of blocks,looks like as a project he translates as a DE in a 4/3.

I wouldn't take a guy like this earlier than 6th rd..

harold
harold

I watched a game tape on him, he didn't flash.  I will try to glance at it again and give it to you.

harold
harold

I believe in Rex just think he is not explosive enough.  I don't love him.  But I think you are right he could be an interesting prospect.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold


You're right, I should definitely entertain the idea that Ben Ijalana is a viable replacement for Austin Howard as a starting right tackle. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

You constantly talk about straw men. But you consistently create them on your own. Sometimes we only need to look in the mirror.

Bent talked about Ijalana in his write up. He never said Ijalana can never start again. I believe he was only talking about him in the now.

If Ijalana regains the majority of his agility Bent seems to think he could be a prety solid player. He remains skeptical if ir will occur.

Do we know if he has shown that and they value what they got in this young man?

You make proclamations as though you are on the Jets staff. If you are that cool. I will defer. If not relax and just defend your position do not include the front office of the Jets.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Right, dismiss my comments because you don't want to address them. 


Ben Ijalana is not an NFL starter. Using Howard as an example is useless. Howard wasn't injured for multiple seasons, he spent that time practicing and getting better, not rehabbing. 


Thankfully Idzik will not look at Ben Ijalana as a replacement starter for Austin Howard, so this is (still) a moot discussion. 

harold
harold

@a57se

This guy is worst than Gholston.

signed Bentson

harold
harold

We moved on from Hunter and didn't look back for a guy with 1 start.  You are typing a lot,but not sure why.

You bring up a prosepct that was bad in the pros.

I brought up one that showed with seasoning he may be able to play.  In Bent's breakdown their was nothing alarming about his play that would say this guy is bad.  That is the difference.

Bad vs unproven.  I hope that clears up the confusion

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Ijalana, a guy who is entering his fouth season without starting an NFL game, is not a bust? He was a 2nd round pick, Vlad Ducasse has started multiple games, but he's considered a bust by many. 


Gholston was highly-touted out of college, which is why I mentioned him. Because you seem to think a pre-draft scouting report saying a guy that spent college beating up small school DL is somehow relevant four years after it was written, after the guy has spent three full seasons not doing anything. 


Digging deep? You're now going beyond merely suggesting unlikely scenarios, you're encroaching on being insulting. You list a guy who spent the entire season inactive as a reason why the team could move on from a guy who started the last 32 games for the team, but I'm digging deep? 


You are something else, 'Roldy. 

harold
harold

Is it me or are you really going deep.

What does Vernon have to do with convo.

Ijalana has never been looked at as a bust.  He has been injured.

Gholston was just terrible.

Not sure why you reached on that one.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Many thought Vernon Gholston was the 2nd coming of LT. 


Are you seriously using a bust's pre-draft scouting reports to justify this line of thinking? 


Grasping at straws, much? 

Bytor
Bytor

@BDarc23 Packers, Rams, Chiefs and Bears. Do they need a RT and what's their cap situation?

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @Bytor @harold Hey, like I said anything is possible and a fairly reasonable scenario can be constructed as you and Harold outlined. We have a comfortable cap situation where we can offer fair value and not skimp. 


The argument also implies there are many teams with lots of cap space that need a RT and not much else and would be willing to overpay. Too many assumptions. I'll be the first to congratulate Howard on his foresight if his variation comes true.

harold
harold

@a57se

You beat me to that.  I was on the phone at work.  But I was going to say we also have Vlad in the mix to bring back in the as well.  There are many options on the table.  Can't wait to see what happens in the next 45 days or so (start of F/A) 

BDarc23
BDarc23

What if the Jets are not his number 1 choice?  What if Howard wants to play for a team close to his family?  He is a free agent and could choose to sign elseware right?

Bytor
Bytor

@harold I think there IS a very real possibility they have a new RG next season. New RG plus Ijalana as well as Winters still learning on the other side is not the direction I think we'll go in especially with a second year qb. I feel pretty comfy they'll sign Howard to a fair deal.

harold
harold

@Brendan

Ijalana is not a PS may good he was a highly touted guy coming out.  Many thought he had Pro Bowl potential and would have been a 1st rounder if he played at a major program.

So is it possible that he can do what you PS guy was abale to if healthy? Yes and maybe based on what they have seen the want Howard back but say at that price we think Ijalana will be plenty good enough.

Bytor
Bytor

@harold I know anything is possible, but not highly probable. It's possible they trade up for Manziel too. Just not probable. I think we get that if some crazy team offers $6MM/year it's bye bye Howard. Within reason, he'll be a Jet.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold I'm sorry. Cry? Over-reacting? 


Howard is not a common story. UDFA's flame out after two seasons of PS-level play more often than they turn into starters, so acting like it's the norm or even a frequent occurrence is misleading. You're acting like they can let him walk and find an equal replacement with ease. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold He's not saying how but why?  Why replace a two year starter that worked out to take a chance that it will work out again?

harold
harold

@Brendan

We had Howard two years ago and he was a one game starter.  Why do you act as though that is the end all be all.  we cry about the media on here over reacting.

Yet we say how can we replace Howard.  Now I like Howard but he is not Joe Thomas.  He can be replaced and if we had to do it we would be okay.  I trust management on mid-level because they access to the guys who would likely take their spots and can judge if they think we can fill that need in house or not.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Good lord. 


Ben Ijalana has played 37 offensive snaps in his NFL career. You want to replace a proven, 32-game starting RT with a guy who has ZERO starting experience? 


That's your backup plan? Spend a 1st rounder and develop him to replace the guy you just spent three years developing? 


You say we all oversimplify, I say you're over-complicating. This IS simple, you're making it more difficult just to discuss the many possible avenues it could go if the most unlikely outcomes becomes reality. 


But for you to say that Ben Ijalana is a reason to not sign Howard? You might want to re-think that stance. 

harold
harold

I am a big supporter of Jason and probably post over there as much as anyone here.  But I notice he is conservative at some positions.  He is putting a value, not setting the market.  the market will play out in the spring.

harold
harold

My point has been we have a highly touted player coming out of college who can play the same position on the roster (Ijalana).  If he deems that the money is better spent elsewhere.  He may do that. 

So it is not if we can re-sign him it is at what price do we value him.  Again his agent could over-value him we wind up going in a different direction while he slow-playing the deal we have on the table.

You guys oversimplify things like this, too easily.  I want Howard on the Jets, just allowing myself to imagine what was the reason for keeping 10 lineman last year?

Maybe this was part of that plan.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@haroldI guess we're supposed to assume that despite the fact that the Jets will have more than $30 million in cap space, they will be outbid by some unknown team for Howard's services as a RT.  Sure, that could happen.  Heck, I just saw glare delay a hockey game on Sunday, so I guess anything can happen.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold That's all you keep saying. Great, he's an UFA. UFA's exist every year and they always fall into known price ranges. It's not a random lottery, Al Davis isn't going to throw $20 million guaranteed at him. 


You act like a starting RT hitting FA is some kind of grand mystery. We know what he'll be valued at, you're say everyone besides you is low on that prediction, and here we are. Jason from OTC is as good as it gets when it comes to contract, but you simply dismissed him as being "low as usual." 


It's hard to debate things when you just dismiss things like Jason's prediction. Is it a "fact?" No. But it's as good a tool as you or any of us have.