Daily Links: Get Ready

  • Babin Brings Pass Rush Prowess [NFL: The New York Jets]
  • 8 observations from Day 11 of camp, where it was like ‘running in sand’ [NJ]
  • Goodson in court on gun charge, after judge threatened arrest [Star Ledger]
  • Thoughts on the First Depth Chart [The Jet Press]
  • Ryan gives new take on Sanchez injury from last preseason [Daily News]
  • Jets’ ‘elite’ Wilkerson motivated for big season [USA Today]
  • In Quest for Turnovers, Jets Are as Thick as Thieves [NY Times]



136 comments
NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

Jeez, the injuries are starting to pile up. I realize it's likely the same for every team, but still sucks to read all those names.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I cant wait for Thursday. This game will give the Jets offense a big boost morale wise. The Colts are a little limp in run defense and our running game will open up the offense. We Jet fans will be walking around Friday morning like we are on a double of Sildenafil, lol

twogee
twogee

"This team will make the call on a starting quarterback when we think it's appropriate... Obviously we talked about the competition and that was something that i thought was important. If it wasn't important, then I wouldn't have put him in there. I would not have put Mark in if it wasn't important" Rex Ryan on 8/24/13. How is this a new take exactly?

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

Can't wait for tomorrow's game!! Want to see what Decker and Amaro will bring to the offense. Bent, can we expect more of the same from Cumberland this season? Or should we see some growth that he can be a #1 TE? 

Bent
Bent moderator

Prediction: Milliner won't allow Reggie Wayne to get any catches on Thursday night.

Bent
Bent moderator

 "That is why the Jets signed Babin, whose acquisition also filled a broader goal – of stockpiling pass rushers – for head coach and defensive play caller Rex Ryan. Years ago, the late, legendary 49ers coach Bill Walsh had nine defensive linemen active for games, said Ryan, a former defensive line coach. Walsh’s rationale was simple.


“He always felt that you had to rush the quarterback in the fourth quarter, and you’ve got to have fresh pass rushers to do it,” Ryan said. “Well, that’s what we have. We are loaded up front. And we’re going to have fresh guys chasing the quarterback for four quarters – and beyond, if necessary. That’s a real positive thing.”"


- NJ.com


Adjust your roster prediction contest entries accordingly.


This seems to be another place where they're aping the Seattle Seahawks philosophy.

jabronijet
jabronijet

@NYCPEinGermany The Jets have been lucky the last couple years........ no major season ending injuries to top players, let's hope it continues.

jabronijet
jabronijet

@UncleJoesJetFarm I would like to see the offense not only move the ball, but punch it in against Indy. I know it's early and the offense needs more time to get it together, but this would be a good start.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jsadolph Him literally not being there hopefully means he's excused.  If he was hurt, he'd be there, but working with a trainer.

tsjc68
tsjc68

I guess Michael Campbell wanted to join the "two guys with the same last name" club with the Davis, Barnes, Ford and Richardson twins.

a57se
a57se

@twogee Because after the game Rex said he put Sanchez in because he wanted to win the game...that is mentioned in this article.

Bent
Bent moderator

@twogee Because the media had decided the competition was over at that time, when the reality was that it wasn't (and the fact the Jets said that it wasn't was ignored by them).  ???

levi
levi

@Paul Samuels I hate to burst your bubble but the game is Thursday. You will be even more excited by then though.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Bent 

Correction:  Damon Harrison won't allow Reggie Wayne to get any catches on Thursday night.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

I thought the Seahawks aped the Jets of 09-10....

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent

The late, legendary 49ers coach Bill Walsh had nine defensive linemen active for games.


1. Mo

2. Boss Hogg

3. Big Dame

4. QRUSH

5. Ellis

6. LegeyDouzIt

7. Babin

8. Enemkpali/Barnes

9. .... Kerry Hyder Jr?

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent 

" This seems to be another place where they're aping the Seattle Seahawks philosophy."

Stockpiling pass rushers. Isn't that the goal of every team?

Bent
Bent moderator

Didn't do enough of this last year IMO.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jabronijet @NYCPEinGermany Not really.  They had more injuries to TE and WR than anyone over these past two seasons and have had plenty of players like Cromartie who might not have missed time but were definitely affected by injury.

twogee
twogee

@a57se @twogee But he said the above quote post-game. Because he gave additional reasons doesn't make this a new take.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @twogee Most of the national press just watched the pre-season games, saw Geno implode in the 3rd pre-season game, and just assumed that Sanchez "won" the competition by default.


The reality was that Geno, who looked horrible at mini-camp and OTAs, came into training camp ready and sharper than Sanchez.  It was obvious that Geno was more physically gifted and a better fit for MM's WCO.  Geno was out-performing Sanchez in practice, which was shocking considering Geno was a rookie and Sanchez was a 4-year vet.  Then, Geno gets injured in the Detroit pre-season game, and his injury caused the gap to narrow.  Sanchez, the vet, closed the gap on an injured rookie.  Then, the injured rookie looks terrible against the Giants.


But, the assumption that Sanchez "won" the competition by default is ludicrous.  In training camp a healthy Geno was the better QB.  If Sanchez wants to dispute that, fine.  But, on the first weekend of camp, when the vet Sanchez should've vastly out-played the rookie, Geno was the better QB.  Heck, for large parts of training camp, Sanchez was the 3rd best QB.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsadolph @Bent

Correction: Damon Harrison won't allow Calvin Johnson to get any catches Thursday night.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent No, they run a 4-3 Under primarily which they've done for years under Carroll.  The Jets have incorporated elements of that into their defense (increasingly over the last few years, it seems) but have also adopted certain Seahawks philsophies in terms of draft and roster management.

Bent
Bent moderator

Yeah, McIntyre played RUSH when Coples was out last year in the base and Barnes/Pace were ENDS in the sub package.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Pace/McIntyre/Reilly? 


I mean, I realize it's a grey area, but if we're counting Q and IK, we have to consider where to put these other guys, too. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent Well, the Jets only had five active linemen all year last year (although the likes of Barnes, Pace and Coples can also rush off the edge).  Seattle had 12 with usually nine active on game day.

jabronijet
jabronijet

@__fense @jabronijet @NYCPEinGermany True but Revis was the only top player to be out for any length of real time. Kerley did hurt the offense when he was out those 4 games or so, but other than that, it has been pretty good. The other wrs were basically back- ups. Cro playing injured was substantial.

tsjc68
tsjc68

Whoops!

In all seriousness, he's probably just a camp body.

a57se
a57se

@twogee @a57se 

When the additional reasons occur a year later, it comes across as a new take to me.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@SackDance99 @Bent @twogee 

IIRC Snachez ws leading the compitition by a narrow margin(which is sad for a 4 year vet) when he got hurt. 

I would have still started Geno for Game 1 even if Sanchez was healthy, but that is just what I recall.

levi
levi

@Paul Samuels  I hear ya bud. I got my jersey all ready to go, plenty of beer in the fridge and cant wait for the game. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Correction: Richie Incognito won't allow Damon Harrison to not allow Calvin Johnson to get any catches Thursday night.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@tsjc68 @jsadolph @Bent 

I hope we never try to use the Franchise Tag on Snacks.  He will try to get CB $$$ instead of DT $$$$.

Hope he doesn't state on his facebook page that he is a DT.  He could lose a lot of money like Jimmy Graham did.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

I disagree...the basic Seahawks model is good defense and a strong power running game...same things rex has eschewed from the beginning. Carroll was not named their coach until 2010, the year after rex espoused his ground and pound philosophy which Seattle embraced.

If you don't have a top 5 QB, that is the best strategy to use...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

I left them out since they're more run-stuffers instead of passrushers.


In the parallel to the Bill Walsh "keep nine DLs active to rush the passer in the fourth quarter with fresh bodies" analogue, Pace/McIntyre/Reilly (and probably Troy Davis as well) would be more "linebackers".

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @tsjc68 "I mean, I realize it's a grey area, but if we're counting Q and IK, this probably isn't the optimum scrabble hand"

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Hanknaples 

and we'll still have 5 the way things are shaking out unless Hyder or Barnes makes the team..

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent 

In today's NFL, where the pass is becoming more and more predominant, it is only natural to try and lessen the QB's ability and time he has to throw!


tsjc68
tsjc68

@jabronijet @__fense @NYCPEinGermany

Kerley did hurt the offense when he was out those 4 games or so, but other than that, it has been pretty good. The other wrs were basically back- ups.


Santonio Holmes lost basically two years of his prime when his foot snapped in half.


Stephen Hill has had his young career completely derailed with consistent nagging knee injuries thus far.


Geno Smith had different starting WRs for pretty much every single game so far.


You're underselling it quite a bit.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @__fense @jabronijet @NYCPEinGermany

This year, so far we've not had many guys go down that weren't making the roster anyway.  (Knock on wood).  That really hurts because you end up wasting $700K or whatever on a guy that wasn't going to get paid anything if they made it through camp uninjured.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Maybe they can all go into the training room jacuzzi together and call it Campbell Soup.

twogee
twogee

@a57se @twogee You must be misunderstanding me. On 8/24/2013 - right after the game took place, Rex said what i quoted above. Just because he also said he was trying to win the game (which i thought was a silly thing to say), that still doesn't make this a new take now. He pretty clearly stated that the competition was still ongoing last year. Because he used different phrasing now doesn't make it a new take. It's misleading to say that it is.


http://youtu.be/FpAOL7OofSE?t=18s

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jsadolph @SackDance99 @Bent @twogee Maybe, but only because Geno was favoring his ankle, which was affecting his throwing and mobility.  I think the coaches saw that Geno was still gutting it out and, thus, still had Geno ahead of Sanchez.  Geno had an excuse, injury; what was Sanchez's excuse?

tsjc68
tsjc68

Correction: J.B. Shugarts, who IS both Richie Incognito AND Damon Harrison, won't allow Calvin Johnson to hit any home runs Thursday night.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@tsjc68 @Brendan Reilly, however, has great pass rush skills.  I was very impressed with his repertoire.  He uncorked a great tight spin move of a bull rush while I was there.  He's a guy that I'll be focusing on against the Colts.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Brendan Well in that Saints game last year, Davis came on and rushed the passer in all six of his fourth quarter snaps.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Hanknaples But we'll have more than just Pace, Barnes and Coples also coming off the edge this time.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Hanknaples But, many NFL teams, including the Jets under Ryan, address the pass by carrying extra DBs.  Bill Walsh had the luxury of knowing that his team, an offensive juggernaut, would rarely be in 4th quarter slug fests.  His offense got leads and turned the opposing team 1 dimensional, allowing his DBs to play a zone and get his pass rushers to hurry throws.  How many times did we see Lott with a head of steam blow up a WR?  Easy to do when you don't have to worry about a team going over the top.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples 

Seattle won by running the ball, they had the second or third highest run/pass ratio in the league.


Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent Then this is a step in the right direction.


I wonder who loses out because we carry extra pass rushers.  Gotta find a way to fit the best players in the 53.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@__fense @tsjc68 @jabronijet @NYCPEinGermany 

Barnes was playing lights out for the couple games we had him and Aaron Berry could have helped the secondary tremendously.  If he was there, Cro may not have felt the need to try to play through the injury.

a57se
a57se

@twogee 

I misread your comment. You are correct, Rex did state that  as well.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Correction: Thursday has been cancelled by Thor, who is unhappy about the number of suicides in Scandinavia.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Bent @a57se 

New to Webster's in 2015.

Seahawky--To run the ball and have a stout defense all while acumulating players on the cheap.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Nope, Rex did not invent the concept nor did Pete Carroll.

I disagreed with a lot of your thoughts back then and still do now.

 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @Hanknaples 

By the depth chart, most of the guys coming off the edge are listed as linebackers...just sayin'

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Hanknaples Yeah, the top three was them, San Francisco and Carolina, three top teams.


Of course, all three had great defenses, so didn't find themselves trailing heavily and having to pass to skew the numbers very often.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

Ironman! Gotta start training some offensive players to rush the QB. Who'd be a good candidate?

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent 

It will always be the survival of the fittest...however can't overlook stuffing the run!

This is what makes MoWilk soooo valuable.....and don't forget about Harrison !!!

harold
harold

O-line and QB.  I think we only carry 2 QB's and 8 O-lineman.

levi
levi

@Bent  This only lessens Ed Reeds chance of returning. (backs away cautiously)

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Which of my thoughts do you disagree with?  All you've presented me with so far (and back when I wrote that) is a general comment that Rex did smashmouth football first and therefore the Jets are not following in the footsteps of Seattle, despite my numerous examples of similarities.  It's difficult for me to defend what I wrote if that's all you're going to give me.


And if you read the article you'll see that I mention in several places where the assumption that Idzik's arrival caused some of these similarities is an over-simplification because many of them were already in place.

BenNevis
BenNevis

"I disagree...the basic Seahawks model is good defense and a strong power running game...same things rex has eschewed from the beginning."

Don't think this is what you intended to say: "eschewed" means avoided or shunned.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Hanknaples I don't think that's relevant here, because we're talking about stockpiling pass rushers.  Obviously the depth chart/official roster for Seattle will have more listed as DEs because they use a 4-3 base.

levi
levi

@Disgruntled Jets Fan I would like to see Chris Ivory get a open shot on Brady. I hope it would resemble the hit he put on that blitzing linebacker but with more contusions and  hematomas.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Don't forget Sheldon!


Each of the Jets' three starting DL could, by themselves, destroy an opponent's rushing attack. It's a thing of complete beauty. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold If there are three QB's on the roster, I will be pissed. 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi *lights torch* *sharpens pitchfork*


What was that you were saying, levi? 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@tsjc68 @jsadolph @__fense @jabronijet @NYCPEinGermany 

Of course he was fast, he came from Oakland.  It's just to bad he acted more like Raider Nation than a true Professional or we would not have needed to go out and get an aging CJ.  We could have a Goodson with most of the tread still left on the tires.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57se The thing about what Rex likes about offense is that he didn't have free reign to choose his OC until MM.  Rex always highlighted "ground and pound" and the virtues of a running QB.  The persistent use of the wildcat has Rex's finger prints all over it.  Now, it's very interesting that the Jets might have 3 QBs on the roster and 2 of them are superior runners and the 3rd, Geno, bulked up, got faster and played his best football when he ran.  And, let's not forget, that Rex wanted to draft guys like Percy Harvin and Kaepernick.  Adding dynamism to the running game was always something Rex desired.

So, IMO, Bent is right.  The Seahawk traitsof "smashmouth" football were Rex traits and, fwiw, the Seahawks offense is nothing like the finesse WCO-style offense that USC ran while Carroll was there.

harold
harold

@BenNevis

I assume he meant espoused

BenNevis
BenNevis

harold—

Yep, he used "espoused" in the next sentence.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Bent @Hanknaples

We hired a guy who worked in the Seahawks front office, and the Seahawks were (and are) good.  So, the comps will continue for the foreseeable future.


Deal with it.

harold
harold

@BenNevis

I didn't even read that...I guess so

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @Bent I was a bit disappointed it wasn't Snow the rapper that she was kicking.


Was that a HurriCATrana?

levi
levi

@Bent  haha notice how the cat landed on its feet when she throws it.