Daily Links: Hands off!

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a57se
a57se

Hey Harold, another inside LB has been cut, Da'Qwell jackson from Cleveland.......

a57se
a57se

Eagles sign Cooper and expected to re-sign Maclin...Yay! 1 less name to speculate about.

jdb4
jdb4

Thinking about this Revis trade discussion I think there is an ideal landing spot for him: Cleveland.


Pettine obviously knows him and how to utilize his strengths.  The Browns have the necessary cap space and a butt load of draft picks.  The owner is so desperate to win over his fan base and is clearly willing to spend money to win.  


I can see the Browns making this trade for maybe a 2nd round pick, possibly an extra 3rd or 4th.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

I REALLY, REALLY hope Allen Robinson falls down to us at 49. He'd be terrific for us.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

I know it's unpopular, but if we're strictly keeping a QB around to be a backup/spot starter for Geno, I'd rather take Sanchez. This is, of course, assuming that the Jets are unable to find any worthwhile trade for him.  Just comparing him to Vick, he's six years younger, has a better health track record, and has a very comparable rapport with Mornhinweg, since you have to figure that he spent a lot of time with Marty on the sidelines. The real bummer this year was that I thought Sanchez would actually thrive in Mornhinweg's offense, since it concealed his lack of size and pocket presence and put an emphasis on short intermediate throws. 


Another big part is this: Sanchez is still young. If, on the .001% chance that he actually puts it together, he is still young enough to be a viable medium-term option. People forget that this guy actually won several games for those teams in 2010 and 2011 (NE, HOU, etc.)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jdb4 With Joe Haden, that's a lot of $$$ tied into CB when the team has many other holes....

jaygo
jaygo

@J. Smooth  Hey, are you J Smooth affiliated with The Underground Railroad?

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth  In a vacuum, sure, Mark could figure it out enough to be a backup. 


I just don't think he has that chance if he stays here. The media already has their narrative on him, as do the fans. I think it's best to let him try and figure it out elsewhere, and we as fans just wish him the best in that. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@J. Smooth Sanchez has no rapport with Marty.  In fact, fans seem to forget how much Sanchez struggled in camp (after working with Jeff Garcia, who had been MM's go to QB) and in pre-season.  Vick had 2 of his best NFL seasons under MM, knows his offense and showed last year that he was a good mentor.  Plus, to be real competition for Geno, the back up has to be able to execute MM's offense competently.  "Competence" doesn't come to mind when reviewing Sanchez's pro career.

a57se
a57se

@J. Smooth  

I think I agree......Sanchez, Hill or Cassel would be OK by me.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @jdb4 

I wouldn't be surprised if Denver takes a run at Revis. They don't have much of a window left with Peyton and Bailey is toast so that clears $10 million right off the top then if they don't re-sign Decker and re-work  a contract or two, they might be able to squeeze Revis in at $16 millon. They might even try and restructure his deal.......

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @J. Smooth  "The media already has their narrative on him, as do the fans."  Agreed, but isn't the same true with Vick?  Don't you think you get the same or worse reaction?  I do but you know that.

Pat d
Pat d

I agree Sanchez will move on but it better not have anything to do with the media or the fans

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@Brendan @J. Smooth  You're probably right. But every time I see an article about Sanchez, I just think back to three years ago, and think "How the hell did this happen?". The Jets-Sanchez thing really should have worked. Young, good-looking QB with charisma and high potential shows up on Broadway as the next Joe Namath, and plays very well for flashes. That 4th year should've been the next step, but it wasn't. It's scarred me from nearly all optimism about QBs in the future.

levi
levi

@a57se   Whys that? Its not a random attack. Ive been saying for weeks I would like Byrd so Im not counting the tag to be fact until it happens. If you cant take a little criticism about your hypocritical behavior on a blog without resorting to threats and name calling you obviously have anger issues.

a57se
a57se

@levi @a57se 

Another random attack for no apparent reason......
I'd love to meet you face to face.

levi
levi

@a57se So its common knowledge that Byrd will be franchised but everything else you have argued about today has to be proven within the shadow of a doubt to be fact? Youre impossible to have a rational discussion with at this point.

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se  

Can't argue about the depth at WR but... it's the Browns

a57se
a57se

@jdb4  

I actually thought the Browns would be a prime candidate to trade UP to get the QB or Clowney they want.....they have two 1st rounders, 2 third rounders and 2 4th rounders...plenty of firepower.

There are plenty of WR's who would complement Cameron and Gordon later in the draft.....

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se @jdb4 

Yeah, it's something I have thought about, I imagine Pettine would like to have both Mingo and Mack.  I have to imagine though that he knows he needs to score points.  Cameron, Gordon and Watkins would be tough to stop for most teams. Hoyer could hold the fort for one more season or say Shaub gets cut, they could sign him.

a57se
a57se

@jdb4 @a57se 

Fair enough and that is a possibility for the Browns but I would be surprised if Pettine was on board with WQatkins and Carr as his two first round picks.......especially with Mack sitting on the board at 4.....

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se @jdb4 

I didn't want to reference it because it is lying season but Daniel Jeremiah had a story about the Browns wanting Carr on NFL.com.  


I also see him as a better fit for the Browns then I do Manziel.  I think he fits better in Kyle Shanahans offense.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @BrendanAnd, I said "If, say, Byrd hits free agency...."  Your reading comprehension isn't at its peak today.

a57se
a57se

@jdb4  

Well yeah, anything is possible...I thought you might have some other reason for thinking they would wait for Carr.......

jdb4
jdb4

@a57se @jdb4@Brendan 

Who's to know?  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Just because most of use think the other 3 are better, the only thing that matters is what Farmer and Pettine think. 


Most of the people on this board love Watkins, maybe the Browns love Watkins more than those three QBs.

a57se
a57se

@jdb4 @Brendan 

If Manziel or bridgwater or Bortles is there at 4, you really see them passing on one of those guys for Derek Carr?

jdb4
jdb4

@Brendan @jdb4 

True, they need a QB. With the supposed increase in cap space though they could afford it.  

Let's say they follow my top ten mock from the other day, they draft Watkins 4 then with thier other 1st they take Derek Carr. 

Then they fill out the rest of their roster with the remaining draft picks. 

They have almost $50 million in cap space.  Ward is going to get $8 million per year.  Haden will get $10 million per Mack will get $6.5 million per year.  


So that is $24 million.  So $26 million remaining. Lets say they trade for Revis, they can convert his base salary to bonus and lower his number. 


I'm not claiming it will happen, I'm exploring the plausibility of the trade.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It hasn't happened yet, so I wouldn't assume it is going to no matter how likely it seems. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Yeah, i made my comment from the standpoint that Byrd was getting franchised......I thought that was common knowledge now...

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Depends who Pettine would prefer, the elite safety he just coached, or the elite safety he's (potentially) about to coach. 


They're not very similar players, so it's about preference, I would think. 



Also, Byrd is getting franchised from what I've read, so it may be a moot discussion. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jdb4 The Browns who know him very well (Pettine), and have bigger issues than CB. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jdb4 @SackDance99True, but Pettine could use Haden in the Revis role and spend resources at other positions.  If, say, Byrd hits free agency, then I can see the Browns all over him.

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo I think some fans do with Vick, but since most of us haven't had personal experience with rooting for him or seeing him operate as a teammate, we can be swayed. There's still wiggle room with him, in other words. 


The media is the media and they'll be scum regardless, Idzik just has to keep shutting them down like he's been doing. 

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth I used to do that, but when I was getting close to driving myself insane, I just gave up. The guy had promise, but for whatever reasons he flopped. I think he has a chance to be Alex Smith 2.0, just not in NY. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Well, coming from a guy who thinks an OC and QB can have "rapport" even when the OC has never coached the QB for a full game, whether in the pre- or regular season, your opinion is, no offense, meaningless.  And, you're not debating because you know I'm right and need to reduce your reply comment to a childish epithet, dude.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99No, I said they had "no rapport" and gave the facts for that conclusion: "In fact, fans seem to forget how much Sanchez struggled in camp (after working with Jeff Garcia, who had been MM's go to QB) and in pre-season."  Then, I further clarified that they had little time together in camp and pre-season and, thus, had "no working chemistry as OC and QB."

"Building rapport" means that there isn't real rapport, yet.  So, again, my conclusion that MM and Sanchez have no rapport as QB and OC is logical and based upon the precise definition of "rapport."

I know you have a tendency to just fight, but here you should just stand down.  By the definition of rapport, it's just logical that MM and Sanchez don't have it.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se  

I didn't make any of the associations you are referring to and putting on me so  reign in your horses, hombre.

I was just trying to figure out how you could say with such authority, as you tend to do, that Snachez and MM had NO rapport.......
"Sanchez has no rapport with Marty."

Your exact quote. It didn't say anything about an OC/QB relationship built on mutual trust through many games of playing together. It just says NO RAPPORT...and leaves no room for the chance that they were BUILDING rapport before Sanchez was hurt.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se To the point it will weigh into the discussion about whether Mark should remain on the team? I highly doubt it. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99This is why you're infuriating to so many here.  J.Smooth said "Just comparing him to Vick, he's six years younger, has a better health track record, and has a very comparable rapport with Mornhinweg, since you have to figure that he spent a lot of time with Marty on the sidelines."


Now "rapport" means:


a close and harmonious relationship in which the people or groups concerned understand each other's feelings or ideas and communicate well.

Now, how is it possible for Mark and MM to have any rapport as QB and OC when Mark has never started a regular season NFL game under MM?  Moreover, comparing Vick, who started 36 NFL games with MM as his OC, to Mark in terms of "rapport" was simply incorrect.

You say that you're an engineer and precise language is important.  If that is indeed the case, then equating Vick's "rapport" with MM to Mark's was an incorrect use of the word.  In fact, my conclusion, given MM and Sanchez have never participated in a regular season NFL game together, that they have no "rapport" would be the logical one.  We are talking football, right?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

So they couldn't have built some rapport over the 4 months that preceded Sanchez' injury?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I think it's fair to say that a QB who had a season ending injury during preseason didn't build a rapport with his coordinator. He didn't practice and I can't imagine Marty being a big "hey, let's just chat because I want to be palsies!" type of guy. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se

You keep saying they DON'T have any rapport and I am trying to understand why you keep saying that without providing any proof.

I am not sure if they do or don't........so there is nothing for me to answer, only you.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99@J. SmoothHe only worked, meaning running the offense in drills, practice and in pre-season games for, total, maybe a month.  He and MM have no working chemistry as OC and QB.  Are you saying that they do?  You are assuming a "rift" and all I'm saying is that they don't have a working rapport.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se@J. Smooth 

Sanchez spent more than a month working with MM and I don't recall any type of rift between them....Sanchez did attend all the OTA's and veterans' mini-camp as well as the countless hours he spent with him at the facility and in the classrooms. Before his shoulder surgery, Sanchez was a staple on the sideline encouraging Geno, talking with MM etc.........if he had NO rapport would he have been so visible?