Daily Links: I Hope Not…

  • Manish Mehta talks Vick, Wilkerson and the offseason [SNY.tv]
  • Patriots remain a top landing spot in a DeSean Jackson trade from Eagles [Metro]
  • Eagles expected to sign Mark Sanchez [ESPN]
  • Owners meetings: Jets, Panthers GMs get break from home heat [CBS]
  • Davis, Winters leaders in performance pay [ESPN NY]
  • Jets In The Mix For Free Agent RB Jones-Drew [WFAN]
  • Robert Kraft: Darrelle Revis took less money to come to Patriots [CBS]



50 comments
metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) The reported incentives on Twitter over Vick's guarantee:

"Play-time incentives: 50%: 100k; 60%: 300k; 70%: 550k; 80%: 900k; 90%: 1M"

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliferro) "Robert Kraft: Darrelle Revis took less money to come to Patriots" 

Uh, right. Kraft ain't the first guy to try to save face & posture to his friends after getting his wallet picked at a carny...

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliferro) DJax & Revis in the same locker room. Whoa. You'd need a plow to dig out all THAT BS...

What's the Over/Under on Brady's retiring early?

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliferro) Manish Mehta talks; the World stops listening.

ijets
ijets

Good to see Sanchez possibly signing on with team with good offensive scheme.

ijets
ijets

DJax = Santonio Part Deux???


Pls, no drama.  Hope Jets draft well at WR position.

williamg1
williamg1

DJax's latest tweet:


"Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner..."

Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

The pats are desperate which means they are going to play desperate you cant buy a SB only one man got away with buying a championship and the was George Stienberger and the 77 78 Yankees. 

maynard
maynard

Bent , explain this Pats thing to me.  They say they have $8 million in cap space. we have over $30 million. pats have  to hold , what, $3-5 million for draftees.  if they trade for D Jax where do they come up with $10 million to pay him?    In a way I would like them to go broke on players like revis, D Jax  etc  and in two years when Tommy Boy is gone they are broke and confused, but I'm not sure I get the joist of this article. are they seriously thinking of giving up a 1st or 2nd rounder for Jackson?

levi
levi

Djax to the Pats would be a good move for them. Brady would have trouble overthrowing him like he has been his other WR's. This would really suck for us.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

1. Did Revis REALLY take less? money to go to New England? Was anyone out there going to pay him more than 12 million? Robert Kraft must be talking out his A-HOLE.


2. How the hell can the Pats afford DJAX (other than for making some cap space through the release of Wilfork like Brendan just said.) And even if they could afford him, it doesn't sound like a very PATS move to give up a draft picks, especially in this particular draft that's as deep as this one.


3. The ONLY reason why I'm down for picking up DJAX... yes he's a great player and all, but if we snag him then we can go CB in the first round, and at the moment I think thats a bit of a necessity for our team. Unfortunately. Or not...

Mike
Mike

hahah the pats are not getting Desean.

Metro says that the Pats are in better cap space than the Jets. Couple that with the idea that the Pats could package a high draft pick with a young player, and this article becomes obvious posturing from the Eagles to gain some leverage. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@williamg1  Well, latest could mean November 2011 or ten minutes ago.  Which is it?

levi
levi

@Tyrone Garcia  while I dont disagree completely I think Denver and the Pats are very close and are assembling whats sure to be tough teams. I would say they are the favorites to make it to the SB now. I know its early but unless their QBs get hurt Id say they are the favorites from the AFC.

Bent
Bent moderator

@maynard  It's not difficult to create cap room.  All you do is look at everyone with a high salary and either (a) cut them (b) encourage them to take a pay cut or (c) convert their salary to a bonus which spreads the cap hit over a few years instead of all biting in the current year.


Obviously there's a downside to all of these, being (a) weakening your roster (b) potentially alienating veteran players and (c) moving money into future years which could merely delay even greater cap issues until further down the line.  However, with the cap projected to increase significantly over the next few years, it's easier to build in enough flexibility for a move like that.  


Ultimately, I don't think they will trade for DJax, but if he's cut they'll sign him and backload his deal to reduce the year one cap hit.

Bytor
Bytor

@maynard  When they cut Wilfork, they'll have almost $15MM in cap space. DeSean plus rookies would be very tight for them but I would imaging doable. Anybody know if they need to sign anyone else?


They won't be broke in a couple of years because Mevis and DeSean are kind of rentals with no cap hits if they cut them or not resign them.

Mike
Mike

lol metro is just a terrible source..

Brendan
Brendan

 The Jets have the most cap space in the NFL right now, so....not sure how that bit about being better makes sense. 


Pats are currently in the bottom 1/3 and couldn't fit D-Jax on their roster right now, but they have the Vince Wilfork cut pending, so that'd open up some space. But that'd still not come close to the cap space the Jets have. 

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@Bent @williamg1He tweeted it last night. This guy made a post on NFL.com on the article about the tweet and I couldn't say it better myself, because in the end this whole DJAX trade talk just seems a bit funny...


This is what the guy wrote...

"The media started this farce of a story to give them something to talk about between Free Agency and the Draft. All parties were on vacation spending time with their families as this story "continues to unravel".

This is not journalism... It's sensationalism.

DJax stays with the Eagles and plays one more year on his current contract that ends in 2017. He's not going to make much more than his current 10Mil anywhere else.

The Eagles are not going to dump their top receiver - who is under contract for 2 more years - for nothing.

They are not going to use a high draft pick to replace a position they are already "solid" at (WR).

Nothing made sense about this story from the beginning."

- Erik Manwaring

williamg1
williamg1

@levi @Tyrone Garcia  They are favorites to win the Superbowl now. But, I expect the age to catch up to both QBs this year. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @maynard 

Back-loading is not as prevalent in the NFL lately......several teams seem to be adopting the pay as you go approach so that once the Guaranteed money is earned, the team has the flexibility to dump players with minimum dead money.

I prefer this method as well as incentive-laden deals. I don't recall Idzik back-loading any deals since he has been here.

Brendan
Brendan

@Mike  That's written by Boston's Metro, not NYC's. NYC has Dyer, who is actually good at what he does. 

Mike
Mike

@Brendan agreed and they have the draft picks to acquire Desean.

tobyshasta
tobyshasta

@Brendan I think what the article was trying to say was that the Pats would be offering a better package because of their salary cap limitations

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@levi @Mike Milea  I dont really see how what this guy posted on this NFL.com article about the Desean trade talk contradicts what Woody said and the owners meeting.

levi
levi

@Mike Milea  something about they are interested in Jackson and other players. I dont know the exact quote but something like that.

levi
levi

@Mike Milea  This would contradict what Woody said at the owners meeting though no?

joemustgo
joemustgo

@williamg1 @levi @Tyrone Garcia  Favorites to get to the SB, or perhaps the favs from the AFC to win it. Both would be underdogs to Seattle and SF, and possibly Carolina and NO.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @Bent @a57se @maynard  


Do you mean the $121m ten year deal?  That was offered back in 2010.  I don't believe they ever offered Revis a deal last year.


Since Team Revis complained that there was "no upfront guarantees" I expect the initial structure was like that (and, indeed, Team Revis mocked the Brick deal via Florio).


However, Tannenbaum told the media they were "flexible on structure".

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @maynard  I've read it.  It's exactly what I'm talking about.  The initial deal isn't backloaded, but they have the flexibility to backload by converting salary to bonus at any point during the deal.


It's exactly what they've done with Brick, whose pay-as-you-go deal provides the blueprint for what these teams are adopting.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se@maynard 

There is an article on NFP by Joel Curry that discusses this topic and looks at deals from this year.....

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @maynard  Actually, you're being misled.  Backloading is just as prevalent...just not in the original deal.


The popularity of the convert-salary-to-bonus route of shifting cap hits into the future means that while the original deal might not be backloaded, the team has every intention of moving the cap hits to the back end.


So the initial deal might look like 10-10-10-10-10 but when when you get to the end of those five years, the actual cap hits in each year were 10-4-7-10-19


So, yes, teams don't backload the original deal, but only so they retain the option to backload as they go along.

Mike
Mike

@Brendan yes agreed and boston just want to spice things up and try to scare the jets away. When all set and done, Desean will be flying high not a Eagle, but a Jet.

levi
levi

@Ceifus Hornswoggle  I thought you'd like that Spent. But seriously, no I wouldnt want Wilfork. We dont need him.

Brendan
Brendan

@Ceifus Hornswoggle No thanks. Unless he wants to play 2 games all season, against his former team, then sign him to 1-week contracts for those. I have a feeling he will want to put a hurting on his old squad.