Daily Links: Mistake? Really?

  • Antonio Cromartie on if he expects be a Jet in 2014: ‘I’m not guaranteeing it’ [NY Daily News]
  • Mike Tannenbaum: Trading For Tim Tebow Was A Mistake [WFAN]
  • Could Mike Westhoff pull a Brett Favre? [ESPN NY]
  • Browns reportedly will interview Mike Pettine [Cleveland Plain Dealer]
  • Cromartie says Sherman’s the best corner in the NFL [PFT]
33 comments
a57se
a57se

I hope Pettine gets the Browns job........I really don't want to read about him twice a year when we play the Billdos....

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

Westy's ready for a comeback the Jets better jump all over that.

levi
levi

Im surprised Cro picked sherman as the best CB. He has great size but I still think Revis is the best because of technique.

kniff
kniff

Cro and the coaches might  experiment with making a go at Safety... maybe we could restructure his deal with incentives at both positions.

levi
levi

@a57se That, and he kicked our butts pretty bad.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marcus Armstrong And it still could have been a worthwhile move if it wasn't for the crushingly uninventive Tony Sparano, the scared-of-their-own-hype Jets front office and the desperately non-self-aware nature of one "quarterback" who'd still be in the NFL right now if he had a realistic idea of what he is and is not capable.


If only Tannenbaum had consulted one or all of the above before pulling the trigger.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@levi I'm sure Cro is referring to Sherman as currently being the best not career . Results matter more than technique and over the last few years Sherman wins hands down.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I wouldn't be shocked if Cro feels a bit betrayed by his former CB companion. I'm sure Revis gave his teammates some of the same lip service he gave the media/fans/coaches/front office, so I'm sure he wasn't thrilled when it became evident that Revis was full of it. Sherman also had the lowest QB rating against out of any CB playing 25% of snaps or more, so he was tougher to throw on as an every-down player than specialists that covered lesser receivers a fraction of the # of snaps that Sherman played. I think he's neck-and-neck with Revis, neither is a wrong answer. 

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff Do they even allow position-specific language in contracts? That's a legitimate question, I've always heard incentives in terms of stats or starts, but never specific as "starting WR in the 2015 season" or anything like that. 


I balk at the idea of Cro as a FS for Rex's teams because he isn't a zone guy, really. He'd play a ton of over-the-top zone and I worry about him a) getting bored, b) getting lost and c) misjudging balls because he's not used to having 20 yards of space between him and the LOS unless he's running stride-for-stride with someone. It's an entirely different skillset. I think the coaches would be better served telling Cro if he doesn't press receivers he's going to be benched (I also think his hip issues kept him from pressing because that's where you generate your power from - in other words he would get beat off the LOS and be screwed). 


Cro seems very aware of his situation and is playing the game his huge agency wants him to play. The market will dictate his price, but if the Jets cut him instead of just re-working his deal I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him sign elsewhere. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent@Marcus Armstrong 

So the Pats have a very innovative offensive scheme, their 'front office' is like a gulag and afraid of nothing so why didn't Tebow work out in NE?


levi
levi

@Brendan Much like Cro Shermans size and god given abilities make him great and that could also factor into his choosing Sherman because of the similarities. I just think Revis has near perfect technique and is the standard that CBs should try to achieve. Revis is in the WRs back pocket where as Shermans length can make up for a lot of space. But hey Sherman would look good in green n white. I would also like Talib.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @kniff I don't believe that's possible.  You can have stat-specific incentives so if there was a receiver who was considering converting to running back maybe you put some rushing incentives in his deal for example, but that's about it.

__fense
__fense

@frustjetfn @SackDance99 @a57se @Bent @Marcus Armstrong We didn't get him to be the QB, we got him to run the wildcat-esque thing that we had. And, in theory, it should have worked, but the combination of the playcalling, His injury, they play of the actual QB, and the s***storm that the media decided to create stopped it. It didn't work, and therefore was a mistake, but it wasn't like there was no chance of it working.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@SackDance99@frustjetfn@a57se@Bent@Marcus ArmstrongA pragmatic, determined guy confident in his abilities and determined to succeed would take the only avenue currently available for success. Instead, his stubbornness or immaturity has banished him to the broadcast booth. Sorry, but it's the wrong choice. Someone he trusts should counsel him B4 it's too late. IMO he'll later look back and regret it.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Interesting, when exactly was Sanchez crying about losing a down or two?

I must have missed that.......

bradysucks
bradysucks

Really not true. The Broncos went to the playoffs with Tebow. Bent is correct. Sparano was unimaginative and unqualified to be an OC. Tannenbaum also got cold feet and refused to go all in with Tebow and that is the only way to win games with him. Tebow is not a good passer but that doesn't change the fact that the Jets ran a predictable offense with him.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@joemustgoI agree.  I thought Tebow should've had a Wildcat series at a time.  But, Sanchez would've cried about that even more than he did having to miss a down or two.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@frustjetfn@SackDance99@a57se@Bent@Marcus ArmstrongAs someone who likes the CFL game, I can state definitively that Tebow does not have the skill set to succeed in Canada.  The CFL is a passing league, with realistically only 2 downs to get a first down.  The rushing game is secondary.  Tebow, unlike many running QBs, must run to be effective as a QB and he has to run between the tackles to set up his outside runs.  The CFL has a wider field, so running QBs with edge speed and good ability to pass on the run rolling out have a good chance of success (Moon, Flutie and Garcia all have those skills).  While he single-handedly elevated the Broncos running game to no. 1 in the NFL, 3rd and 2 after 2 running plays is a punting down in the CFL.


IMO, Tebow has a possible NFL-game, but he had to get his passing accuracy to the average level and improve his mechanics to the point where he wasn't a horror show in the pocket.  If Tebow had been drafted in the 3rd round and brought along slowly as a project, he would've been better served.  It's too bad because Tebow was an exciting and unique player in 2011.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@SackDance99@a57se@Bent@Marcus Armstrong Also b/c it seemed like Sparano used the wildcat every time Sanchez completed a couple of passes in a row and was building some rhythm.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@SackDance99@a57se@Bent@Marcus ArmstrongIt's not only the circus atmosphere. The fact is none of the 32 NFL teams are willing to go w/Tebow at QB. Even the QB desperate teams aren't interested. They'd rather sign UDFA's to start games.

If Tebow really wanted to prove the NFL wrong, he'd play in Canada, succeed and get invited back like Moon, Garcia, Theisman, Flutie, etc.. Guess he lacks faith. :)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@Bent@Marcus ArmstrongBecause the Pats have an HOF QB who any sane person would never take off the field.  The Jets had a deficient QB who could've benefited from a viable Wildcat series of plays, like he had in his 2009 playoff run.  I agree with everything that Bent said and I'll add that Tanny also underestimated the circus atmosphere that followed Tebow.  It's the baggage surrounding having Tebow on the roster that is keeping him from having a realistic shot of competing in an NFL camp.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Okay, that's what I thought, but I wasn't 100%.