Daily Links: Mo wants Rex back

  • Mo told Reddit he wants Rex to return. [NYDN]
  • A change in strategy caused the block. [Metro]
  • Geno’s fifth pick-six. [Star-Ledger]
  • Five names as possibilities should there be a vacancy. [NY Post]
  • Three straight years of bad offense could be the just cause for Rex. [Star-Ledger]
  • Both sides have valid arguments on Rex’s status, writes Brian Costello [NY Post]
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Bent
Bent

This has been a great discussion.  I wonder why...

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

That coaching list is pretty brutal (Which, by the way, is why I don't want to fire Rex). Only name on there even worth interviewing is Bevell.


Though, Art Briles...

a57se
a57se

Lonnie Smith played in the World Series with four different MLB teams. He won WS Rings with three of those teams!

Was Lonnie Smith the reason those teams were successful?

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

Lets look at this logically....how many head coaches in the NFL make it thru 3 offensive coordinators, 2 GM's, and 3 sub par seasons? Maybe one of the steelers 3 hc's in 30 years have but besides that who else? I think Idzik makes the change at the end of the season no matter if we win out, lose, or go 1-1. 


I would have welcomed the opportunity to see Rex coach with a above average qb and maybe Rex should have fought a little harder for a guy like Alex Smith, Ryan Fitz, Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer...all could have been had in the offseason. 


Well its going to be a fun next couple of weeks so lets see what happens!!


Ohh did I mention I will be at Sundays game in one of the suite luxury seats with catered food and liquor? NICE!! Right next to Woody's Owner Suite.

a57se
a57se

So IF Rex is fired at the end of the season by Idzik, how would that impact Idziks' support amongst Jets fans who like Rex?

I am already on record as not being a big fan of the Id. If this season was dictated by Idziks' mission statement, i.e., the Jets plan was to play the rookies as much as possible to get them experience and damn the results, then the guy was to fire the HC who went along with that plan; that would seem pretty two-faced to me. Tie both hands behind your coaches back then shoot him anyway because they didn't win enough games?

Is that the kind of GM we want for this team?

levi
levi

Ive been on the fence but Im leaning towards wanting Rex back. If a new HC is hired he would more than likely bring in his own coaches and I like the ones Rex has put together now. I like Morningwig and his play calling for the most part (QB limits him), Dunbar has done a fantastic job, Rex and Thurman work hand in hand and Anthony Lynn has the RBs doing well. My only gripes would be the secondary has slipped since Thurman took the DC job but that could be attributed to injuries, also not sure about Sanjay Lal with the WRs but again they were also injury plagued. I dont know how the QB coach has done because he has his hands full with a raw rookie that wasnt expected to start. In the end it boils down to what type of coach/philosophy Idzik wants. He may very well want to blow up the team and build it his own way.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

Glad to see an article (even if NYPost) that lists some names that could be Ryan's replacement, instead of just hearing from the anyone-but-Rex-in-2014 people that fail to mention a viable replacement out of either lack of knowledge or sheer hatred for the current regime. 


Bill O'Brien is about the only name that intrigues me even a little of the five, the others just feel like re-boot Hail Marys. I don't think we should be hiring our 5th coordinator to his first NFL HC job in 13 years, at least O'Brien is a fresh college name who is a head coach right now.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@BentCause Joey's not awake yet? Or did I miss one of his aliases?

lrjets
lrjets

@Marcus Armstrong   Can Woody et al be dumb enough to hire , (in case he is fired), the King of Retreads, Mike Shanahan?

ww85
ww85

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Is that the Barclays box? I've been in that box a few times & chatted with Woody's guests next door--met a Medal of honor winner once which was the best by far. Was the opener against Dallas a couple of years ago. The boxes are not completely enclosed. You can sit in the open or go back to the food area where it's warm!

levi
levi

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Well mosey on over to Woody's suite and get the scoop on the whole ordeal. Ask him why Winters is starting too.

djf1
djf1

@a57se depends on who would be tge replacement.

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@a57seIf his plan works and we are Seattle in the next 2 seasons would you still feel bad? I wouldn't. Rex is a big boy and I'm sure someones will give him a second shot at the HC gig. Hey if someone gave Mangini a second shot then Rex is a shoe in. This is the real world A57...the business world is not for the faint of heart.

Brendan
Brendan

@DarrolRayFanClub I'll admit that O'Brien intrigues me, because he seems to be one of those guys who straddles the line between players coach and hard ass. If the day comes where Rex is fired, I would put O'Brien high on my list. 

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@ww85I'm not sure...my sister gave me the tickets after they were donated...she said the person who donated them told her its right next to the owners suite

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@levi Lol yeah I don't think a pee on like me will be allowed to speak with Woody..The only reason why I have the tickets is because of my sister. Someone donated them

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo@a57se 

You talk about this being in the real world after talking about being in fantasy land. Which one do you believe in?

Bent
Bent

@Brendan Nothing screams NFL success like being a twig on the Belichick coaching tree.  That would still represent a flip-flop in my eyes.

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@Bentcan we post pictures with this new format? I would like to post a pic of woody if I get the chance to see him

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo@levi 

You shouldn't have to worry about getting peed on in a luxury suite! They are fully enclosed from what I understand!

ww85
ww85

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Not really. The QB drives this league. Seattle did a great job scouting Wilson & having the courage to start him as a rooky & putting pieces around him, But if he had been putting up #s like Geno/Sanchez, Seattle would be sub par. How many teams with bad QBs are going to the playoffs?

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@ww85well thats like asking if my aunt had nuts would she would be my uncle

ww85
ww85

@Marcus Armstrong @ww85 @Johnsbodybyvi Ledo @a57se What would their record be if we traded QBs?  They'd be 6-10 & we'd be 10-6 probably.

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong@ww85@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo@a57se 

Their defense is really good at home but only above average on the road. Their offense is just slightly above average at home and below average on the road.

They are not some juggernaut that can't be stopped.

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo@a57se 

So if you were the owner and you hired a General Manager for one of your restaurants and you told him you want Chef A to run the kitchen and that General Manager decided to undermine your chefs' position by forcing him to do things a certain way, you would allow him to fire that chef?

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@a57se No if Woody forced Rex on him, which we all know is the case. Now if he hired his own HC, forced his to play rookies, and then fired him, yes I would have to questions his mental stability. Plenty of times I have taken over restaurants with a existing chef on board and kept him only until my personally trained chef was ready to handle the kitchen

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

@a57se haha hey we don't know his plan...now that we have some cap room and the chance to get rid of the few anchors on this team, who knows what Idzik can do.

a57se
a57se

@Peter Whelan 

He also had a lot more to work with.....

If you look at their careers, MM blows Walton out of the water.

Bent
Bent

@a57se As did Schotty and Sparano with Sanchez.

Bent
Bent

@Marcus Armstrong I don't have any major criticisms, just feel that how good an offense looks is due to many things that aren't necessarily within the OC's control.  The good ones are able to prevent their offense from totally grinding to a halt when those things are working against them.

djf1
djf1

@Bent@a57se he seems to be an improvement but the bar was really low.

 playcalls seem to be inconsistent.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @Bent @1969JAN12th  


Well...I am just throwin' this out there:


Mornhinweg joins the Jets after 10 years spent in Philadelphia with the Eagles. Mornhinweg was hired by Andy Reid in 2003 as a senior assistant, became assistant head coach in 2004, and finally took over play calling duties in 2006 as the team’s Offensive Coordinator, a position he held through last season, prior to Reid being fired. During his seven seasons as Eagles’ Offensive Coordinator, Mornhinweg yielded five top 10 offenses and three top 5 offenses, while never finishing outside of 15th in overall offense. Before his tenure in Philadelphia, Mornhinweg worked in Green Bay as the Quarterbacks coach during the Packers’ 1996 Super Bowl XXXI championship season, followed by 4 seasons in San Francisco, serving as both Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks coach under Head Coach Steve Mariucci, and finally a brief stint as Head Coach of the Detroit Lions from 2001-2002.

A long descendant of the Bill Walsh tree, Mornhinweg brings in vast experience in the west coast offense.


(I know that Marty's record with the Lions as HC was abysmal...but that was a long time ago.Would Idzik consider this move?....If offense is our #1 problem, could Marty be the answer as HC ?)

Peter Whelan
Peter Whelan

I think Joe Walton was the best OC the Jets have had. His offenses were dynamic.

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se 

That game plan vs. the Panthers was classic. We would have won that game easily with a decent QB.....

MM has had his hands tied with Geno as the QB as well......

Bent
Bent

@a57se I'm not totally sold on him.  

a57se
a57se

@Bent@1969JAN12th 

That is really sad if true, he is the best OC the Jets have ever had..........and I've seen just about all of them.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Bent @1969JAN12th 

What about Marty ? Where do you think he fits in ? Four OC's in 4 years? (if he and/or Rex is replaced).

Bent
Bent moderator

@1969JAN12th It's very difficult to answer this because the team's strategy with young players would suggest that they've been looking ahead all season, so - that being the case - they probably wouldn't mind losing to improve their draft status.


So, was Rex set up to fail?  Is he on board with that and they've already resolved to bring him back no matter what?


It just seems unfair to semi-intentionally tank the season and then can the coach for losing too many games.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Brendan @DarrolRayFanClub 

If we assume that the final decision hasn't been made (yes, a big assumption); ....since we have lost 4 out the last 5....would 6 losses in the last 7 games give the powers that be no choice but to replace Rex ? Does finishing strong make a difference?

Brendan
Brendan

@DarrolRayFanClub Yeah, I'm sticking to the unrelenting optimism strategy. Rex WILL be back next year.