Daily Links: Mo wants Rex back

  • Mo told Reddit he wants Rex to return. [NYDN]
  • A change in strategy caused the block. [Metro]
  • Geno’s fifth pick-six. [Star-Ledger]
  • Five names as possibilities should there be a vacancy. [NY Post]
  • Three straight years of bad offense could be the just cause for Rex. [Star-Ledger]
  • Both sides have valid arguments on Rex’s status, writes Brian Costello [NY Post]



56 comments
Bent
Bent

This has been a great discussion.  I wonder why...

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

That coaching list is pretty brutal (Which, by the way, is why I don't want to fire Rex). Only name on there even worth interviewing is Bevell.


Though, Art Briles...

levi
levi

Ive been on the fence but Im leaning towards wanting Rex back. If a new HC is hired he would more than likely bring in his own coaches and I like the ones Rex has put together now. I like Morningwig and his play calling for the most part (QB limits him), Dunbar has done a fantastic job, Rex and Thurman work hand in hand and Anthony Lynn has the RBs doing well. My only gripes would be the secondary has slipped since Thurman took the DC job but that could be attributed to injuries, also not sure about Sanjay Lal with the WRs but again they were also injury plagued. I dont know how the QB coach has done because he has his hands full with a raw rookie that wasnt expected to start. In the end it boils down to what type of coach/philosophy Idzik wants. He may very well want to blow up the team and build it his own way.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

How can they not bring Rex back. We beat the Saints, we beat the Pats.  if not for a blocked punt and a rookie QB's pick ix we then beat Carolina,.three of the top teams in the league. Correct the QB,  keep Ivory, hope Goodsin recovers and go get 2 WR's one Fa one draft, draft an O-lineman, FA a cornerback and we are in the Superbowl next year. without doing much else

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Haha.  I've got a post in pending that has nothing obscene.  I wonder if it's our esteemed owner's name that trips the filter.

Brendan
Brendan

I think an easier exercise for the media would be finding someone affiliated with the team who doesn't want Rex back. 

joemustgo
joemustgo

@BentCause Joey's not awake yet? Or did I miss one of his aliases?

lrjets
lrjets

@Marcus Armstrong   Can Woody et al be dumb enough to hire , (in case he is fired), the King of Retreads, Mike Shanahan?

ww85
ww85

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Is that the Barclays box? I've been in that box a few times & chatted with Woody's guests next door--met a Medal of honor winner once which was the best by far. Was the opener against Dallas a couple of years ago. The boxes are not completely enclosed. You can sit in the open or go back to the food area where it's warm!

levi
levi

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Well mosey on over to Woody's suite and get the scoop on the whole ordeal. Ask him why Winters is starting too.

djf1
djf1

@a57se depends on who would be tge replacement.

Brendan
Brendan

@DarrolRayFanClub I'll admit that O'Brien intrigues me, because he seems to be one of those guys who straddles the line between players coach and hard ass. If the day comes where Rex is fired, I would put O'Brien high on my list. 

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Quick fix solutions don't work in the NFL. The system Rex uses lacks discipline and accountability. That's why there are so many problems with consistency and fundamentals.

Bad judgment, poor game management, end if season collapses... The inability to win two games in a row. I've seen enough Rex. Nice guy, great defensive mind... Mediocre head coach.

levi
levi

@Bernard Mclaughlin The flip side to that coin is they were blown out by the Titans, Bengals, Bills, Ravens and Dolphins. When they win they are mediocre and when they lose they are terrible.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@Bernard Mclaughlin I like the cut of your gib. Though I might not draft an o-lineman (UDFA or cutdowns if necessary), would add a safety, a tight end and maybe a linebacker to what you wrote. Without question add a vet QB to the mix.

Bent
Bent

@Brendan I'm sure people will scoff at this because you said it, but the handful of players I've heard commenting on it behind the scenes have all unanimously said they want him to stay, so you're probably right.


The players love him - I don't think that's in question.  However, if the organization thinks a less-popular-with-the-players coach will do better (maybe because they're more of a disciplinarian), they'll make the move.  It's a big decision though, not like benching the left guard where you can put the other guy back in if the new guy does even worse.


Oh, wait...

Bent
Bent

@Brendan Nothing screams NFL success like being a twig on the Belichick coaching tree.  That would still represent a flip-flop in my eyes.

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@levi@Bernard Mclaughlin Look at what happened in al those losses, turnovers, turnovers and realy  poor offensive play. Rex can gameplan defenses, he can motivate players, , put some horses in and he will take us all the way. Hell, he almost took us to 2 SuperBowls with MARK SANCHEZ!!!! Knute F'n Rockne couldn't have done that.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent @Brendan I just dread going back into the cycle the team has been in the past 2 decades or so, where they bounce between hiring a disciplinarian coach to a player's coach and back and forth and back and forth. 

ww85
ww85

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo Not really. The QB drives this league. Seattle did a great job scouting Wilson & having the courage to start him as a rooky & putting pieces around him, But if he had been putting up #s like Geno/Sanchez, Seattle would be sub par. How many teams with bad QBs are going to the playoffs?

ww85
ww85

@Marcus Armstrong @ww85 @Johnsbodybyvi Ledo @a57se What would their record be if we traded QBs?  They'd be 6-10 & we'd be 10-6 probably.

Bent
Bent

@a57se As did Schotty and Sparano with Sanchez.

Bent
Bent

@Marcus Armstrong I don't have any major criticisms, just feel that how good an offense looks is due to many things that aren't necessarily within the OC's control.  The good ones are able to prevent their offense from totally grinding to a halt when those things are working against them.

djf1
djf1

@Bent@a57se he seems to be an improvement but the bar was really low.

 playcalls seem to be inconsistent.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @Bent @1969JAN12th  


Well...I am just throwin' this out there:


Mornhinweg joins the Jets after 10 years spent in Philadelphia with the Eagles. Mornhinweg was hired by Andy Reid in 2003 as a senior assistant, became assistant head coach in 2004, and finally took over play calling duties in 2006 as the team’s Offensive Coordinator, a position he held through last season, prior to Reid being fired. During his seven seasons as Eagles’ Offensive Coordinator, Mornhinweg yielded five top 10 offenses and three top 5 offenses, while never finishing outside of 15th in overall offense. Before his tenure in Philadelphia, Mornhinweg worked in Green Bay as the Quarterbacks coach during the Packers’ 1996 Super Bowl XXXI championship season, followed by 4 seasons in San Francisco, serving as both Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks coach under Head Coach Steve Mariucci, and finally a brief stint as Head Coach of the Detroit Lions from 2001-2002.

A long descendant of the Bill Walsh tree, Mornhinweg brings in vast experience in the west coast offense.


(I know that Marty's record with the Lions as HC was abysmal...but that was a long time ago.Would Idzik consider this move?....If offense is our #1 problem, could Marty be the answer as HC ?)

Peter Whelan
Peter Whelan

I think Joe Walton was the best OC the Jets have had. His offenses were dynamic.

Bent
Bent

@a57se I'm not totally sold on him.  

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Bent @1969JAN12th 

What about Marty ? Where do you think he fits in ? Four OC's in 4 years? (if he and/or Rex is replaced).

Bent
Bent moderator

@1969JAN12th It's very difficult to answer this because the team's strategy with young players would suggest that they've been looking ahead all season, so - that being the case - they probably wouldn't mind losing to improve their draft status.


So, was Rex set up to fail?  Is he on board with that and they've already resolved to bring him back no matter what?


It just seems unfair to semi-intentionally tank the season and then can the coach for losing too many games.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Brendan @DarrolRayFanClub 

If we assume that the final decision hasn't been made (yes, a big assumption); ....since we have lost 4 out the last 5....would 6 losses in the last 7 games give the powers that be no choice but to replace Rex ? Does finishing strong make a difference?

Brendan
Brendan

@DarrolRayFanClub Yeah, I'm sticking to the unrelenting optimism strategy. Rex WILL be back next year. 

joemustgo
joemustgo

@juunit@joemustgo@Bent@a57seLike all the shirts I bought at outlet stores over the years that are a size too big or too small but were too good to pass up. Regretted every one and rarely wore them.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@Bent@a57seDoesn't instill a lot of confidence in Idzik that he took a QB with a lot of holes in his game just b/c he fell out of the first round and looked like a bargain.

Bent
Bent

@a57se No, just that they weren't planning on using a high pick on a QB

Bent
Bent

@joemustgo Drafting Geno was more of a spur of the moment decision, not something they were planning to do all along.  That one IS based on inside information.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@jaygo@Bent@BrendanHope you're right. I'm also not sure why Idzik would draft Geno if there was a good chance he would be changing the coaching staff in a year and force him to learn another system in year 2.

Bent
Bent

@jaygo Good post.  I must admit that the "A+ draft" comments made it sound like Rex is part of the longer term plans.

Bent
Bent

@Brendan I have no inside information, just a sense that's where we might be headed.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent So you're feeling is that Rex is gone after this year? 

Bent
Bent

@Brendan @Bent That's something I fear too and it's a common mistake.  England soccer team does the same thing.


Herm is too much of a player's coach - let's get a serious, Belichickian guy!


Mangini's players don't like him and weren't motivated - let's get someone who's going to motivate!


Rex is too much of a players coach - let's repeat the same cycle over again!


So, yes, I expect them to get some serious, stay the course, boring guy...and he's not going to be successful until they sort out the QB position either.  At least we can look forward to getting another motivational player's coach in three year's time...