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frustjetfn
frustjetfn

When arguments are weak reporters make self-serving "points" to convince those who don't closely examine what's being said. When Cimini said "When you're thinking about the Jets' '13 draft, think about this number: 3,967. The combined total number of O, D and ST snaps played by the Jets five rookies."


To rate a draft class by the number of snaps, including ST, is ridiculous when closely examined. Although it makes sense from 30,000 foot fly-by, it doesn't take into account huge variables like how weak a teams existing roster was (forcing them to play rookies) or how desperate a new GM is to play raw talent (despite not earning playing time) to prove he didn't make mistakes in his first draft. The point that it is self-serving for a GM to do that during his "grace period" to establish a new direction for the franchise is particularly lost on Cimini.


Now I don't have a problem with re-evaluating the 2013 Jets draft at any time, but I do think it should be based on real specific facts like Sheldon Richardson's performance rather than vague group stats like combined number of snaps.

Pat d
Pat d

Giving the 2013 draft a B+ after one year is a bit generous. After three years I do expect an A grade though.

jake100
jake100

This will be a long off season. I think because Jet fans smell blood and are very optimistic. We want to get crackalacking!

jake100
jake100

I like Wilson in the slot but on the outside I am leery. We need a solid vet opposite Milliner this season. We cant rely on a rookie early on to just step right in, as we seen how tough the transition is at this position. Milliner will still have some growing pains. I am not confident with Wilson and Milliner together at CB.  Milliner and a solid vet would be good, then draft a CB in the mid rounds that shows potential and groom him.

jake100
jake100

Kyle Wilson earned 125, 000 in his contract based on escalators, oh no, now we are in cap hell, lol

jaygo
jaygo

Here we go again.  Kiper.  Mocks.  Pleeeeze.  Did anyone see the Jets picking Richardson last year? No.  Did anyone mock Geno to the Jets in the 2nd (or 1st) round?  No.   I wouldn't get too wrapped up in what any of these guys says, especially Kiper who is notoriously more wrong than right as the beancounters point out every year and you can read below.  Idzik will do something unexpected.  If I know what it is, it wouldn't be unexpected.  Hey, if you believe the Jets want a WR or TE in the 1st round, if you were Idzik why wouldn't you TRADE DOWN and get the same guy while picking up another pick somewhere.  The way the draft lays out we could probably get the same guy 5-10 picks lower.




http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/


http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2013-articles/april/in-defense-of-jeremy-maclin-and-mel-kiper-s-history-of-draft-picks.html

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Im talking CRAZY! I know this! But WHAT IF!!! What if the Jets decided to have THE BEST OVERALL D LINE and natural pass rush in the entire NFL and took Kony Ealy in the first round. It would be the second DT/DE we take from Mizzou in two straight years by the Jets and it would solidify our D-Line for the next 5 to 10 years. Dont get me wrong, I know how good we are already and how important the skill position is on Offense for this team BUT THATS WHY IM TALKING CRAZY! Imagine what our D line would look like if we added Ealy.


Muhammad Wilkerson

Quniton Coples

Sheldon Richardson

Kony Ealy


Leger Douzable 

Damon Harrison

Kerick Ellis


Lol, it would honestly be a joke how good our defense would be. We would never have to call a blitz, nor have a need for a stud pass rushing MLB/OLB. We would honestly be set for a decade. IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS, I know this! But WHAT IF???

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

I watched the Blake Bortles Fiesta Bowl highlights yesterday (I saw the first half of the game live but turned it off because he was so terrible), I'll admit that he did play better in the second half and he shows some promise but taking him in the high first round is literally laughable. Can't imagine the Vikings make the same mistake less than 5 years after Ponder. I need to check out Carr highlights but besides Manziel and Bridgewater it's such an underwhelming QB draft - I'm glad we're sticking with Geno another season

jake100
jake100

@Pat d Nothing like modest expectations,☺☺☻

Zartan
Zartan

I thought it was just me that felt that way, hope the Jets can put together a good offense this season. Would like Geedson to beat the charges and come back healthy.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@jaygo   A mock draft now is just a space killer and time filler.  

Free agency has not arrived.

Combines haven't occurred.

Super Bowl has not even been played yet, officially ending the season.

Even arrests affecting the next season needs bail to be set.

juunit
juunit

@jaygo 

That article about Kiper vs. McShay called Crabtree a bust though. 

Can I really take an article about correctly predicting the draft seriously when the guy who wrote it can't even accurately judge guys who are successful in the NFL? 

jake100
jake100

@jaygo I read that also. Many are saying this draft is loaded well beyond the first round with WR, but much more scarce with TE. Maybe taking a top TE first is the answer, it is a huge need also, for Marty's offense.

a57se
a57se

@jaygo 

I was with you until the last two lines.....

Pat d
Pat d

We are going to have to let one of the three we have now go. They won't all be here for 10 years

jake100
jake100

@Mike Milea  The problem is, it is an offensive oriented league now and good offenses will score anyway. They are adapting more to the pass rush, by getting rid of the ball real fast and spreading it around. If we cant stay on the field the D will be wiped out and we are back to square one. The offense needs the most help big time if we are to be any kind of a threat,  but an interesting comment.

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy 

I think Bortles is similar to Tannehill when he entered. He has the physical tools, but isn't really a talented QB (at the moment anyway.) Tannehill went 8th, everyone figured they reached for him. Bortles will probably play out in a similar way. Heck, the Vikings pick 8th and they need a QB. Might even turn out exactly the same as Tannehill did. 

harold
harold

Geno is terrible and every QB without a top 15 rusher and top 85 passer has had better seasons!

NOT!!

jake100
jake100

@Zartan 

I am very leery with Goodson and will not count on him. 

Pat d
Pat d

Crabtree is sorry

Zartan
Zartan

If theres an elite one( Amaro , Ebron or Jenkins). Don't know if any of them are any good . I've seen Amaro, like what I saw but was not impressed.

Pat d
Pat d

If the top guy on your board is a WR you take a WR as long as it isn't a reach according to your board. If the top guy on your board is a TE you take a TE. That is how successful teams draft.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Defense still wins championships, offense wins the regular season. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @MarshRandy honestly the way he looks/moves around the pocket is very Andrew Luck-like. But when he throws it's pretty much a mess. If I knew he'd become Tannehill I might take him top-5 but I bet he ends up like Jake Locker

Pat d
Pat d

That's what Sherman claims

Zartan
Zartan

:D indeed. right price , and all that stuff.

Zartan
Zartan

Last I checked, you need to outscore the opponent but yes, and good defense will help when winning big (go seahawks).

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Defense wins championships then why do all the Super Bowl teams have QB's named Brees, Rodgers, Aikman, Manning, Brady, Bradshaw, Namath, etc etc

Defense is important but the Jets have ignored offense long enough...

It would be insane not to make upgrading the offense the major focus of this offseason....

harold
harold

@marcus81

I think everyone agrees get one quality guy and draft the rest.  But if we can get  a 2nd guy cheaply bring him in.

Pat d
Pat d

Why didn't we win championships in 2010 and 2011 then

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Draft in the middle rounds, Nicks is your #1, Jones is your veteran glue guy, Kerley is a slot pain-in-the-ass, Hill is a wildcard. 

harold
harold

Draft a couple WR's and groom them to take over in a couple years and you are set for years to come at the WR position.  Then all the premature evaluators can makea proper decision. 

harold
harold

It is not even close.  I would take Nicks.  A motivated Nicks is way better.  You go for the higher upside player.  Now I wouldn't mind signing both.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Mike Milea @MarshRandy @bob @Brendan @jake100 I've had it up to here with d-linemen bro 

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@MarshRandy@bob@Brendan@jake100 

Guys guys guys, we're talking about adding Kony Ealy and having the best D line the NFL has ever seen. Please dont take away from my stellar comment above.

bob
bob

@Brendan@jake100

Yep James Jones would be really good for the right price . interesting to see how free agency turns out . Do the Jets spend or hold back and build threw the draft for 2015.




bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @jake100 This Super Bowl will be a perfect example of defense vs. offense.   Great QB against great defense.  

Hope the weather is decent and it's a great game.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @MarshRandy agreed. He's an intriguing prospect for sure and I'd be thrilled to get a guy like him in the third round, but the 1st is too big of a risk

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy@juunit 

I wouldn't draft him. People get too wrapped up in physical tools, especially when it's about a QB. The guy has to have the brain for it too.


Similar to Smith, Bortles throws lots of screens to pad his completion %. But he doesn't even have the impressive numbers Smith did. Run heavy offense, still threw a bunch of picks. And he's definitely not Kaepernick with his legs, so he will have to throw to survive. His arm is strong, sometimes, and he's way too inconsistent with his accuracy for me.


I might draft him with a 3rd rounder. But I say that in a vacuum, because I have no interest in a QB in the draft this year, unless Bridgewater was somehow possible.

a57se
a57se

@MarshRandy

This years QB draft is better than last byears QB draft when we DID take GenO

harold
harold

I am stating facts.  When the running game was efective other than the Pats game.  Where are the bad games?  I just didn't see them. 

jake100
jake100

@harold Geno had a combo of rushers by committee that put the jets rushing game in the top 10. So Geno did have a solid run game behind him. I cant say the same for his wrs though , atrocious.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@a57se @harold yea I'm not denying that he was bad it's just that this isn't a great QB draft and I'd like to Geno get another full season with a better supporting cast before making the final decision 

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Only problem was the sarcasm was lacking!

Geno WAS terrible...34th rated QB in the NFL.

harold
harold

It was sarcasm that Geno is terrible and despite not having a top 15 rusher or top 85 Wr he still manged to be respectable for large portions of the season.

I agree with you @Marsh Randy about giving Geno another season.