Daily Links: No big deal

  • Wilkerson: “When it happens, it happens” [ESPN New York]
  • Colon impressed with Vick’s attitude so far [The Star-Ledger]
  • NFL to increase threshold, reduce severity for drug offenses [ESPN]
  • Namath believes Vick will start [Newsday]
  • Richardson says the defense will be better than last year [Star Ledger]




182 comments
bradysucks
bradysucks

I agree with Namath that Vick is better than Geno

Geno probably gets the job though

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

LIvefyre seems crazier than normal today in terms of ordering replies.  I feel I need to start quoting the whole comment I'm replying to so that the reply actually makes sense.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

Namath asked to predict which quarterback will emerge as the Jets' Week 1 starter:

What Joe said:

"Of course, the coaches are going to decide who's out there, but boy, I don't know any football fan that's been around the last nine or 10 years that doesn't think Michael can be outstanding," Namath said Tuesday night.....

"And he's probably the best player at this time," the outspoken Jets great said....


What Joe should have said:

"Of course, the coaches are going to decide who's out there "...they both have really good attributes. It should be a great competition; the experienced veteran against the new guy who showed flashes of being a really good QB last season.

Sometimes Joe needs to say less, not more.

borisjets
borisjets

I think it will look ridiculous if the NFL suspends one of it's star receivers (Josh Gordon) for a year, for smoking something which is legal in some states. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Scott Berger-Felder  I doubt the Texans would want to trade him here.


If they'll take a 6th rounder and David Nelson, sure,  sign me up.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Only you would defend a guy taking a stance that you've been a dck about arguing against since he was signed. 

miamijoe
miamijoe

@jaygo  I get where you're coming from but have a point to explain to you.  Yes, in the day, besides football, he was a NY icon that was glamorized for his lifestyle, even if it was filled with alcohol (drugs) and women.  We all wanted to be Joe.  Physical pain also brought on other problems later in his life, but that's another issue entirely.


The point I mention is that the drunkard part of your comment is better described as alcoholic , which is what he is.  When an alcoholic drinks, they try to kiss Suzy Kolber on network TV and that would count as a minor transgression.  He has obviously struggled with this ailment for years and sought help a few times.  As to whether he is sober now, I have no idea.   He really is only trying to stay tied to the team.  What he says, like it or not, is only his opinion.  Cut him a little slack.  He changed the face of  the Jets and the NFL forever.  Recovered or not, the alcoholic issue will be with him until he's horizontal and gone forever.  Its kind of like watching Willie Mays playing CF for the Mets at the end of his career.

Pat d
Pat d

I don't agree with everything Joe says but more often than not he has a legitimate point.

Jaygo you come off as a judgemental jerk that must be perfect. Joe isn 't perfect and he isn 't an angel and that is what I like about him. If everyone was as perfect as jaygo this would be a boring world.

Pat d
Pat d

1969JAN12th

I disagree. I get tired of all these sports figures that talk and don't say a thing. I'll take an opinion, whether I agree of not, over a bunch of cliches any day.

jetlife
jetlife

@1969JAN12th  Alcohol is a hell of a drug.

blackwood1
blackwood1

@borisjets You have a job paying you millions, you are living your dream & you pick rolling a blunt over that? The rules are no secret not following them is his foolish choice.

Bytor
Bytor

@borisjets  Agree or disagree about pot but it's the rule in the NFL. It's a rule that is very clear to everyone. It's a rule that Gordon broke not once, but twice. I would imagine it's a huge privilege to play in this league for these guys. By his actions Gordon told the world he valued getting a buzz off pot more than playing in the league.

Right, wrong or indifferent he's stupid. He shoulda had a beer.

Now excuse me while I light my spleef.

Pete 57
Pete 57

Sports have rules against many things that are legal for the general public though. The military would do the same, many corporations, etc.

Zartan
Zartan

You gotta know when to fold em.

Bent
Bent moderator

@borisjets  Maybe he should be suspended from all games apart from those played in the states where it is legal.

Pat d
Pat d

I was against the signing of Vick and I have stated I hope Smith does great and Vick sits on the bench. Just because Joe says he thinks Vick will start there is no need for the name calling. And how is that being negative or divisive.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  I don't take Jay's comments as him stating he's the perfect human being. But he has a point that Joe is a very flawed individual who at this point stays in the limelight by being a dividing force in Jetland. 


No one is saying be a mindless cheerleader, but he is allowed to be positive. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Pat d  But....cliches can be fun......

Crash Davis: It's time to work on your interviews. 
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: My interviews? What do I gotta do? 
Crash Davis: You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time." 
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: Got to play... it's pretty boring. 
Crash Davis: 'Course it's boring, that's the point. Write it down. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Part of the problem is Joe offers his opinion on EVERYTHING. People are tired of hearing him talk because he's generally being negative or going against the grain. 

He's crotchety old man, cranky and sober. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @1969JAN12th  You are right that what Joe said is NOT a big deal; it's just that Joe has no idea if Geno Smith has improved (or not) in the off-season. Adding more pressure to the equation for Geno, for no reason, is not productive.

I also think  that this is not the same as JK calling out Coples...I think we all know that JK wants Coples to take that next step (which Coples probably  agrees with).

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

I know it's easy to say "He should know better" but athletes are already restricted way more than an average person. What they can and can't eat, how much rest they need, constantly staying in shape and many other disciplines can you blame him for wanting to do some thing to relax that he's probably been doing since High School.

borisjets
borisjets

@Bytor @borisjets  No one's arguing if Josh Gordon is an idiot. Of course he is. But the NFL has to stop testing for pot - and they will stop - the question is - how long will it take.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor They should just go the route of the NBA and stop testing for it. It's not performance enhancing, so who gives a sht. 

borisjets
borisjets

@Pete 57  such as? What legal thing can you get a 1 year suspension for in sports? Something that doesn't harm anyone but yourself.

borisjets
borisjets

@Zartan  are you talking to the commish?

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se @Dr. Jonathan Reefer  "57", Brendan is right.... you lumped my vanilla comment about what Joe "should have said" with comments calling Joe a  a "drunkard party animal". ...... not right "57".....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You just combined like 3 or 4 different comments and posted them as one. Are you the Manish of TJB re-sourcing now? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If you bothered replying to my points instead of pretending you didn't read them, you'd be forced to answer questions that clearly state this is not true. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  It's indicative of a larger and consistent stance of negativity from Joe. 


I posted a reply to 57 regarding this down below (that he will surely ignore), so if you want to reply to it I'd actually be interested in your thoughts. 

miamijoe
miamijoe

@a57se @miamijoe  The only guy from your list I never saw was Koufax.  I was trying to remember because they were also called 3 dots and a dash meaning 3 black guys a white guy.  I remember Ellis, Page and Marshall.  Who was the dash? Do you remember?  That was also the era of Chuck Foreman who I thought was a great player.  Bill Brown with the crewcut!

miamijoe
miamijoe

@bradysucks  Agreed.  But I think I might have gone Minnesota Vikings or San Diego Chargers.  Uniforms were the best on both teams at that time.  Vikings had that great DL and the cold weather and SD had that crazy passing attack with Hadl, Garrison and Bambi.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Joe Namath is the reason I (and many others) became Jets fans.

No doubt this will make some of you hate him even more...lol

If not for Namath I would be a Giants fan and would have celebrated 4 Super Bowls in my lifetime. The Jets haven't even been to a Super Bowl in my lifetime. When I was a kid Namath was as big in NY as The greatest (Mohammed Ali)

He's an old man now and he has every right to speak his mind on the subject of playing QB

miamijoe
miamijoe

@jaygo @miamijoe  No debate necessary.  Just pointing out that he is an alcoholic.  As such, sober or not, he will continue to make mistakes and lapses of judgement that we will see and plenty more we won't.  If he had some kind of other illness that inhibits his cognition, you wouldn't want to be so harsh and be more compassionate towards him.


If you want to debate that about Joe, let me know when...

miamijoe
miamijoe

@tsjc68 @Brendan  T, I asked the Brendan see my post below to jaygo.  Let me know what you think.

miamijoe
miamijoe

@Brendan  See my post below to jaygo regarding Joe.  I lived in that era 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan  Yeah.


I don't begrudge Joe Namath his opinion or his criticism.  I just wish that, since he has such a large and infuential voice, he'd use that voice to call out the media on their nonsense instead of co-signing it so much and going along with the whole "LOLJETS" narrative.  He does that far too often.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  With which part? 


Broken down? His knees do not exist anymore.

Drunkard? Well documented. 

Party Animal? Ditto. 

Living off celebrity and one huge game 40+ years ago? Well, unless you count his acting career....yes. 


I, like most young Jets fans, want to adore and love this man. I've actually met him, he's coached me at his camp many times and I always came away from out talks and instruction time blown away by how far-reaching his knowledge of the game is. He would walk across two fields and correct someone's stance while his hand-picked coaches would miss it. He genuinely has a genius-level football IQ (or did, if you buy into the fact he's a lunatic now). 


But people in my generation are just tired of him. He's like a bandwagon fan. Hatehatehatehatehate until the team is already doing well, then hop on board and ride the wave. That's really grating for fans like myself. 


Don't be a cheerleader, but don't be Rich Cimini with leathery skin, either. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  And yours isn't? 


What he said is true. 

Pat d
Pat d

Jaygo's whole tone is judgemental

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  People care because people listen to him and think he's an spokesman for the team and fans. 


I already stated his football acumen is tremendous. 


But where are his comments applauding Wilkerson and the DL? Or sharing some of the positives he saw watching the team last year? Or supporting Rex? Why does he choose to support Sanchez publicly only after "Rex got him hurt?" 


When he starts being objective people will stop lashing out at him. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I was not singling you out Brendan.....I just posted next to your comments. People are always going after Namath who is an old man. Some of the things he says are controversial but I don't get why so many people care.

The guy knows a thing or two about playing QB

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  Brady, I'm gonig to stop responding to you if you continue to shove words into my mouth to criticize me over. 


I never said he has to blindly support everything, I said he doesn't have to blindly go against everything the team says and agree with the media trolls (which he does, constantly). 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Who cares if Namath gives his opinion on the QB situation?

I don't

Namath has earned the right to analyze the QB situation being a hall of fame QB himself. The guy is the Jets one (and only) hall of fame QB

The idea that he has to blindly support team policy is absurd. I'd rather he be himself and give his own analysis. Nobody has to agree

Vick has accomplished a lot more in the NFL than Geno so Joe's opinion certainly makes some sense

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  No, like I said this is indicative of an overall behavior. He does this EVERY time. He never toes the company line, ever. 


I will repeat my comment from earlier: don't be a cheerleader, but don't be Rich Cimini with leathery skin, either. 


There are plenty of people who stay objective and criticize the team, but many (or most) fans don't see Joe as objective anymore. There's never a counter-balance to his negativity, which is necessary if you want to be seen as objective. 

Pat d
Pat d

I don 't think what Joe said is undermining anyone. So Joe must repeat the company line.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He is publicly undermining what the team said. He is not actually a coach, but some people take his word more seriously than that of the coach/GM (sad, but true). 


When everyone from the coaches to Vick himself have stated that Geno is the man until he proves otherwise, these comments undermine that stance. 


The team is showing a completely united front on this subject, but Joe is going against them and while he's not actually a part of the team he's still viewed that way. Welcome to more "LOLJets" articles from Dickard Cimini and Manish talking up "controversy." 

Pat d
Pat d

There is a little truth in what 57 said

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Please take a hike with this stuff. It's insulting and obnoxious. 

Pat d
Pat d

What did Joe say that is so outrageous that warranted the judgemental comments plus the name calling?

idothis2
idothis2

@jaygo @Pat d 

one judgmental jerk calls out another judgmental jerk because they commented about a judgmental jerk. i know i'm being a judgmental jerk, but i feel good this morning.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Pat d  Well, he expressed an opinion about Joe, and there's nothing wrong with that per se.  Honestly, it's hard to argue with:


- broken-down drunkard party animal


Pretty accurate.


- living off his celebrity and nothing else for over 40 years.


Still pretty accurate.

Pat d
Pat d

You're the judgemental jerk. Reread your post.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Addiction, 57. Would you mock an alcoholic? 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 You left out Boggs' pre-game sixer. 


But yes, point made. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Bent  Yup.  So much of athletic performance is mental, so you need to stick to your routine to get in your proper mental mindframe.


That's why, before each game, Wade Boggs would eat a bucket of fried chicken, and why before each game, Bill Belichick stalks and then kills a drifter and throws his body in a Southie dumpster.


GOTTA GET IN THE ZONE.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bent @Brendan @Bytor  Maybe free throws are like one of those activities where performance rises with a certain amount of pot/alcohol, but then drops precipitously if you overdo it, like bowling, darts and pool.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Oddly enough, I know people like this.


It's all about reps. If you take all your reps stoned and suddenly change things, it's going to throw off your game. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @Brendan @Bytor  Since you're British, I will assume this "teammate" of which you speak is John Amaechi.


HEY GUYS, BENT JUST SAID JON AMAECHI IS A HUGE POTHEAD!!!!!!!!!

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bytor


It might not be performance enhancing in basketball, but NOT taking it when you're used to doing so can cause performance to worsen significantly.  I had a teammate who used to get baked before every game and whenever he didn't, he couldn't shoot, especially free throws.

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor  I love a good fact! Back in the day a little weed was just that. Now people can grow some pretty super stuff in their basements. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor


Just because I like these facts to be out there so people are aware of them (not trying to be a knowitall, promise):


Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among people who use marijuana daily (to 25-50 percent).


http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana


Also, with weed now basically having mutant super strength compared to decades past, the higher THC counts lead to a higher likelihood of addiction. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor  Where's Reefer to weigh in on this? 

It may not be physically addictive but mentally, sure. 

My buddy went to a Gaga concert last night with his fam. Can't wait to hear how it went.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor You're surprised to find lobbyists for this? There are a lot of rich people who smoke weed. Once this country gets out of its own way, we'll have our #1 cash crop back and will actually get some agricultural revenue again. 

Bytor
Bytor

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @Bytor @Brendan  Arrgggg, just trying to make a point that pro-pot peeps use this as an argument. Surprised to find some real lobbyists though:

National Cannibis Industry Association

NORML

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor It absolutely is addictive. It's not addictive on a level of other drugs, but it is addictive. If someone smokes constantly it's very hard to stop. You'll laugh, but this actually is something Lady Gaga dealt with. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bytor @Brendan  What is this pro-pot lobby?  To be a lobby they must have lobbyists, and all lobbyists must be registered.  So surely you can give me some specific info on who those lobbyists are.

Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor  I'm pretty sure the pro-pot lobby insists it's not addicting. Gordon may have general addiction issues, but again he knew the rules and coulda had a martini. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor It could also be an addiction issue, which would mean people should probably take it easy on the guy. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Bytor @a57se @borisjets  You realize that calling the NFL out for having a stupid rule, and calling him our for willfully breaking it, are not mutually exclusive?

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @borisjets  Great points. He knows the rules and broke them twice. He's either stupid or values pot more than the game. 

borisjets
borisjets

@Pete 57  Smoking pot doesn't affect your attendance and productivity anymore than getting drunk on alcohol. 


The reason why the NFL punishes for pot is because it's illegal. I know that, you know that, and everyone knows that.


To give out a 1 year suspension for doing something that 2 states consider legal is ridiculous.

Brendan
Brendan

@Disgruntled Jets Fan I just look forward to Ray Rice's one year suspension for knocking a woman out cold and dragging her through a hotel lobby. 


Oh, wait, the NFL doesn't give a sht if you beat up a woman, just don't get high!

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@borisjets  sports also have things that are legal in context of the sport but illegal in the outside world. Should two hockey players get arrested for assault after being done with a fight? 

Pete 57
Pete 57

You break team rules like missing meetings etc. do that enough and you will get fired. It's not illegal to miss a meeting. A company can make rules of how they want their employees to behave. Public drunkeness is not necessarily illegal but give your company bad press and say goodbye. Many more examples. Companies do not want their employees smoking pot because they feel it affects their attendance and productivity.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@borisjets @tsjc68 @MarshRandy  I'm not disagreeing with your central point that the NFL taking a hard-line stance on marijuana is an idea past its usefulness.

borisjets
borisjets

@tsjc68 @borisjets @MarshRandy  Marijuana is legal for non medicine purposes in Colorado and Washington State.


Anyways steroids are performance enhancers, so the punishment is for enhancing your performance. Pot - the punishment is for doing something bad. My point is that in 2 states in America it is legal, the NFL shouldn't be handing out 1 year suspensions for doing something that in 2 states are not even considered doing something bad.


It looks ridiculous that a Sports organization is handing out stiff penalties for something which the legal system - which is charged with punishing bad things - doesn't punish.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@borisjets @MarshRandy  Steroids are not illegal, they are a controlled substance.  They are legal under a doctor's instructions.


Similar to marijuana.  It's permissible (in many states) under medical supervision and instruction, because it has medicinal qualities.

borisjets
borisjets

@MarshRandy @borisjets  steroids is illegal. 




and it's a performance enhancer, which obviously has to be punished. Pot is not a performance enhancer.