Daily Links: On the line




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NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

See the article on Mangold being the most overrated Jet? Brendan will be furious (which is completely justified)

Prisco is such a tool

bklyndude
bklyndude

Getting Willie Colon back makes me feel a whole lot better about the OL.  If Winters continues his better play,  this unit should be fine.  I like hearing the coaches talk up Oday and other young linemen.  Having one year of experience should see Geno cut down on a lot of his rookie type of mistakes.  We need him to step up and play better and everything should be good.

Throw in some Chris Johnson,  Eric Decker  and sprinkle in some Jace Amaro this year,  this offense should be more balanced and capable of becoming a much better team. 

williamg1
williamg1

@bklyndude But will Willie stay back? That's the key. I'm not getting my hopes up that he can make it through a full season. And I don't know what to make about Oboushi. Rex has given him some luckwarm praise, but I wonder if he was actually complimenting him, or just doing the Rex thing of talking up his players no matter what. 

buckets
buckets

I think Chris Johnson is being underestimated. He's going to thrive as part of the rotation running behind a better unit than in Tennessee.

It's almost as if because he was signed by the Jets it's being overlooked.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @NYCPEinGermany Mangold can still play.  His PFF grades over the last 5 weeks were +11.4.  The best grade for the whole season +18.9.  If we attribute that to him needing to help out Winters less and less and assume that he can return to that kind of role for the entirety of 2014, there's every chance he'll grade out as one of the best centers in the league again.  Even as it was he was 3rd best in pass protection.


My own take is that he does so much more than your average center, he's still one of the best in the league.  Some guys in zone blocking schemes or in systems like the Saints have much easier jobs than he does, so it's not surprising they grade out better.  Let's hope he can ball out this year without having to push a stroller around everywhere he goes.


Overrated lists are dumb anyway, because the players on the list nearly always end up being guys that everyone says is terrible which makes no sense.  (Sanchez used to end up on these lists a lot).  I at least give Prisco credit for identifying a guy people actually respect...and let's face it, there aren't many other Jets who meet that criteria.

harold
harold

@jake100

Don't really think father time is rearing his head just yet.  Mangold is still fairly young, on the back end of his prime years.  He has at least two to three pro bowl caliber years remaining.

He is still a top 6-8 center in football.  Don't think that means we need a replacement.  If that is the standard then we need to get rid of 18 of our 21 other starters as well.

bob
bob

@williamg1 @bklyndude 

I think some answers are gonna come in preseason games could be looking for lineman with experiance perhaps a trade or our rookies will perform good enough. I think Aboushi and Campbell maybe a little soon for them to be starters I hope I'm wrong.

Pat d
Pat d

The Jets OL is in fact not really better than Tenn

bob
bob

@buckets 

Chris Johnson is a really good player no doubt. however he has put on alot miles. I'm thinking keeping Chris healthy and fresh untill the play offs is a priority the Jets will imploy.

harold
harold

@Bent @NYCPE in Germany @jake100

I agree I still think he is a top 6-8 player at least.  I would even give him a higher mark because as you say he gets some of the tougher individual assignments for centers in the NFL.

a57se
a57se

@levi @jake100 

I think this is one of the few times where Joey GOT the point!

Mangold is over rated by most Jets fans.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@bob @williamg1 @bklyndude

Don't forget Dozier. I am hoping he can jump in the rotation and take some snaps from Winters or fill in for Willie if (needed) by the end of the year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pat d I agree with this.  Well, it wasn't better for most of last year anyway.


We'll see how Breno fits in, whether Winters (or whoever replaces him) can be more consistent and whether Colon can still play at a high level.

harold
harold

I don't think you need to groom a replacement, if you have one fine.  If not it is not a big deal.  You can draft a stud at that spot in the 2nd round in three years.  If you get lucky enough to groom someone who can play C/G and be a quality backup as well, fine. 

But we don't need to start looking for his replacement right now at all, imo.

Planning for his replacement okay, needing one on the roster as you state, no not at all.

harold
harold

You said grooming which is developing, I read your post just fine.  You cannot develop someone who is not on your team.

If you meant planning as I stated which is different.  Thats is fine.  But don't act as though I misread you comment when I did not.  thanks

harold
harold

@jake100

Your statement

"We have to start grooming a young one."

I am not trying to guess what you wrote, I just read it.  If you meant something different you can't blame me for you not clearly stating what you meant. 

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I agree with Joey here. We saw what happened to the O'line last time Mangold missed some time...we can't afford to have that happen again. We should have someone on the roster who is CAPABLE.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @harold That's a good point...but doesn't it suggest that Mangold is BETTER than he's given credit for, if the line is going to fall to pieces without him?

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @harold 

Well we replaced him with Colin Baxter last time, the guy had never played before and was with the Jets a hot week before starting...

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @harold True...and to be fair, the line did hold its own for the remainder of the Jags game and in the first half of the Raiders game before it completely fell apart.