Daily Links: One more day

  • Persistence paid off for Seattle coach after Pats, Jets failures [NY Post]
  • Rex Ryan offers little on Jets in limbo this offseason [The Star Ledger]
  • Joe Namath made the guarantee before Super Bowl III, but he wasn’t only Jet predicting a win  [Newsday]
  • Geno sees himself as Jets’ starting QB [ESPN NY]
  • Rex ‘can’t really say’ whether Geno will start at QB next season [NY Daily News]



94 comments
Joan Israel
Joan Israel

Regarding the item in the today's 'Daily Links', I'd like to touch a bit onl my recollections of the 18-point spread set for the Colts-Jets SB game: Apparently, back then, Jimmy the Greek set the odds for big football games like this one. He was the guy who set the spreads. One day during the week prior to the Super Bowl, he set forth in one of the NY tabloids his justifications for 18 points; he broke down facets of each team, and assigned points, plus and minus, to each element. At the end of that analysis, he came up with the -18 spread for the Colts. One of the factors he chose to look at was the QB play; he decided, in the match-up between Joe Namath and Colt starting QB Earl Morrall, there was no 'edge' to either QB! Neither Namath nor Morrall gave their team an advantage. Earl Morrall was just as good a QB as Joe Namath. Yes, you can look it up. I remember reading this item, and getting rather angry. I said to myself, "If this Jimmy guy [I really didn't know exactly who he was] makes idiotic assessments just like this one, and creates some phony-baloney point spread, and has so much influence out there, I can't believe any of this.' Right then, I knew the Jets were going to give those Colts a run for their money. 


Jim Israel

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

I really REALLY hope that the Jets take this kid in Dustin Vaughan. He is a qb at west texas a&m. Idk how he is so slept on. HE HAS IT. Rocket arm, quick release and he can progress through his reads really good. Look him up!! Take him with the a 6th round pick there is absolutely no reason not to.

pisano
pisano

Does anyone know what happened to the Yankee page on this blog? I sent a message to the contact about three weeks ago, and never got an answer.

__fense
__fense

Why do they even bother writing these articles? The three articles talking about the current Jets are two 'Rex Ryan isn't saying anyone's the starting QB' and one 'Geno thinks that he will be the starting QB'. Is there a single person here that was expecting any other response? I wish, instead of asking the same question they asked at every single press conference all year, they used the offseason to write more about game theory. You started to see it in the Star Leger article. Rex has game plans in his head to beat both of the teams in the super bowl, and he seems to have brought them up on his own. Pretty much any NFL coach is going to know way more about football than most of us, and it would be refreshing to hear what they had to say about strategies and what parts of the game they feel most important. In the offseason, the coaches aren't gearing up for a specific opponent, so you can actually get answers to the questions without them giving away the gameplan for the next game.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Geno's mindset is good and he says the right things, but his performance is not up to NFL standards. He says he's grown up but sending junk to get groupies is immature. Maybe he thinks he can be Brett Farve if he acts like an A-Hole, but my suggestion is to take the job seriously at least until you're earned it. - What ever happened to Pennington -like maturity and dedication to the game. His conduct was more than lip-service and made me proud to be a Jets fan.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

As FA safeties go I really like Major Wright from the Bears 25 yrs. old and had 101 total tackles. He's more of a traditional SS but Allen has proven to be a good cover S on backs and TE's. Along with Jarrett and Bush that's a nice young rotation.

kniff
kniff

Three FA acquisitions that I think we should definitely try to make in March are Bills Safety Jairus Byrd, Bears QB Josh McCown, and Chiefs G Geoff Schwartz....


We could then prioritize WR, LB, and TE in the draft...


If we get these six big moves right, it would be enormous for the team...and still be cap manageable.


Peter Whelan
Peter Whelan

Vaughn is exactly the type of QB the Jets should try to bring in every year until they hit on one.

a57se
a57se

@JCuratola3  

Only one game tape on the guy but he does have a strong arm and looks the part.

Didn't see him throw anything but Darts the whole game but with that arm talent, definitely worth a late round pick as a developmental guy.

Nice find!

levi
levi

@Hanknaples  I think they the ones they are trying to sell Sanchez's potential to is would be trade partners. I was fine with the 5:1 swap too it just sucks that Sanchez didnt pan out. But the trade was good business. The other guys arent even in the League anymore are they?

Metsjets76
Metsjets76

If you don't remember it's called itisaboutthemoneystupid.com

Pat d
Pat d

I couldn't agree more but it is refreshing to hear Rex say that he can't name anyone the starting QB right now.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn  There is nothing in history that indicates you can't be a good NFL QB if you send wiener pics to a girl on the internet. 

levi
levi

@frustjetfn  Its the off season and you are still bashing a rookie QB who progressed and finished strong. Thats great that Pennington made you feel warm and fuzzy inside but hes gone now so you might as well get use to Geno. I have not seen where hes acted like am a-hole nor I have I read anything about him slacking or not taking his job serious. What has he done that has you all upset?

Zartan
Zartan

Fail. You're all in, nfl and the media marketing has done a good job. Seahawks take the game.

Pat d
Pat d

Denver is in for a big surprise

Pat d
Pat d

I would rather draft BPA and then get the FA to fill in the gaps

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@kniff " Byrd reportedly wanted to be the highest paid safety in football last year, a case the Bills didn’t buy. " from PFT.


I like Byrd but when players start talking like this I don't know if they're worth signing.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

Meh....I don't think  Martin is a dirtbag but he does not sound like he has a case at all.

Seems like he tried to fit in and finally realized the way he was acting just wasn't him......he just didn't have the guts to admit it and now he is trying to bring others down.....OK, I just convinced myself Martin is an educated dirtbag!

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@a57se thank you sir, i really like his release too and how well he steps up in the pocket hes also a big guy. 6'5 .. his stats are good also

__fense
__fense

@Pat d  It's refreshing to hear him say something he was forced to say every single week, win or lose?

Pat d
Pat d

@levi

Frustjetfn didn't really bash Geno. At least I don't see it. He simply stated some facts and a little opinion.

Personally I think think that anyone that thinks Geno is the answer is kidding themselves.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  FA starts well before the draft, all the good players will be long gone by the time the draft rolls around. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Hank, look in the top right corner of each post, in light grey there's a "__ minutes ago" or "just now" that indicates how long ago the comment was posted. 

a57se
a57se

@Bytor  

I did say I hope I am wrong...time will tell my Jets fan friend.

Bytor
Bytor

Hey 57 just re-watched cle/nyj last night with my kid (dear lord nothing on the tube). My eyeballs tell me Geno has a significantly higher ceiling than Campbell.

harold
harold

I just don't see the point of the statement any player will eventually get benched if they don't produce.

You will go the Hall of Fame if you consistently put up All Pro Stats and stay healthly over a 10 to 12 year stretch.  See how easy that was.

levi
levi

@a57se haha well that explains why you dont like him.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks  

I think Geno's ceiling is either Tavaris Jackson or Jason Campbell.......hope I'm wrong.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Stats don't lie about QB's

Sanchez and Geno both were pretty bad...and Geno will improve or he'll end up a backup QB

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Agreed. Geno has the skillset to be successful in the evolved NFL, he needs time to see if he can realize his potential. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

As I have stated I have seen enough to know he has a chance.  At the QB position that is all you can hope for.  RGIII was supposed to light the world on fire.  Colin Kap was supposed to change the NFL.

It takes time just be realistic as I have stated you may have a good one

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  He doesn't. No one does. Harold is simply stating that no one has seen enough to determine he's definitely not the answer. 

Pat d
Pat d

A better question is, why on earth do you think Geno is the answer.

harold
harold

Why is Geno not the answer.  I remember because he couldn't put the team on his back like all the other rookies in NFL history.  For the record I don't remember one at QB that has.

Zartan
Zartan

I think Payton is the best QB to ever play the game he goes through games like, business as usual. If the Hawks are down and bound together any point in the game (or before), game will be a blow out. I doubt Payton can get that bound but he's able to excute a perfect game plan, that's what will determine the game.

levi
levi

@Zartan  Peytons emotions are not why he lost playoff games. His teams had poor defenses and he lost to some good teams.


"What is Peyton playing for?"  Well if you are insinuating he isnt motivated to win(which is crazy) then it makes your comment about his emotions moot. He wont be emotional if he doesnt care about winning.


 I do belive the Hawks really want to win just as much as Denver and every single other team thats ever played in the Superbowl. 

Zartan
Zartan

Peyton has a hard time dealing with emotion (why he fails in the playoffs). What is Payton playing for? The Hawks should win and if they really want it, they will.

levi
levi

@jake100 Im curious to see how the refs call this game. It is an outdoor old school kinda superbowl so who knows.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 @levi  San Fran had a better run defense last year (or at-worst they were equal) and Lynch had 279 yards in 3 games (3.98 average). 4 yards/carry against an elite run defense is pretty good, if he can replicate that with a few long runs Seattle will be in good shape. 

levi
levi

@jake100 I dont believe they can take the run game away. If the refs let the L.O.B. play their game it will be a good match up.

harold
harold

I think we will get a CB in F/A who is a top tier guy. 

I think in F/A we may get one or two mid to low level WR's.

I think we will address TE, WR, OG, and OLB in the draft..  Some to be immediate starters and some to develop.  Mostly likely OLB and maybe WR to be developmental guys.

__fense
__fense

@harold  I hope so, but WR and CB are two of the hardest positions to play as a rookie. I wouldn't want to not get a FA because there's a lot of them in the draft. Fill all the gaps in FA as best you can, and then draft BPA because you know you don't 100% need any one position. Especially when we have cap space like this. I'd rather have redundancies than have to struggle through a rookie season at a position because we have no alternatives.

Pat d
Pat d

That is really true now that the draft is in May

harold
harold

As you stated Brendan because F/A starts a full two months before the draft, you have to base it on resources available.  If you see a lot of options in draft you generally won't overpay in F/A and vice versa.

That why I think CB's will get paid and WR's may not get quite as much except top 2 or three guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  Okay, so I see you've found one source that is positive on Hickey. I have just seen some damning articles on the subject by some reliable sources (Jason La Canfora I remember wrote one of them). 


And the fact that Tampa didn't even entertain him as a GM candidate was kind of a red flag for me. 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi @Brendan  I found the quote, he says it has never hurt like this since he hurt in 2008, so you guys are right he did injure it in 2008, but it apparently wasn't so serious that it bothered him in the 5 years between then and this season. Then in 2013 something happened in training camp and he just played through it. 


I dunno, that doesn't strike me as a "he can never come back from this" injury. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  I think Brown/Munnerlyn are both good players, but you really think Munnerlyn will a) be that cheap and b) get away fromthe Panthers when he played like a top-10 CB this year and is only 25? 


Brown is a little more feasible imo, but he's the same age as Cro and I don't think he's a better player than healthy-Cro. 


If they can get Shields for $7.5, I'd do that in a heartbeat, but that's not happening. It's weird, you under-value this position, I think, while over-valuing the RT spot. 

a57se
a57se

@levi @a57se 

I don't recall the specifics but it was either just before the bye or just after it. The secondary had been beaten up again  and someone asked Rex about how far off the CB's were playing.

levi
levi

@a57se  If his hip is injured though he probably couldnt jam at the line. I must have missed those comments you speak of. Anything specific you recall?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @harold 

Nothing wrong with your position or logic here but I don't think the Jets go that route.

I think Cro may have worn out his welcome because he doesn't take coaching well and he just won't press guys off the LOS like his coaches ask him to. There were some comments about guys not doing what they have been asked to do in the secondary through the season and I wouldn't be surprised if they were aimed at Cro.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

Warren Sapp?

The same Sapp who compared the NFL to slavery?

The same Sapp who shoots his mouth off about players not being as good as himself?

I don't consider him a credible source.

levi
levi

@Brendan I think I read somewhere that Cro said it was from an injury he had when he played in San Diego. But I dont remember any details.


Just spit balling here but if they sign Cro to a reasonable contract and his skills begin to fade he could be put on some of the TE's that kill us every year. I know hes not a physical guy but his size and length would benefit him in that role and his diminished speed would not be such a liability.

harold
harold

The support for the argument was Cro saying he hurt his hip back in 2008.

Shields is not likely to get 10 million per season.  That is why I am targeting him.  He should be in the Cro range of 7.5 to 8.5 million per season.  At just 26, I will take that risk.

In addition, a healthy Tarell Brown or Captain Munnerlyn is a more sound investment.  They should be in the 5-6.5 million dollar range annually.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  "Re-surfaced." See, you acknowledged you have no support for the idea that this is a lasting or pre-existing injury, but you go right back to repeating your comments that it is. 


As for your question, Cro is still a good player, if they get him under an MRI machine and feel he is healthy (which is something only the team can know for certain) signing him to a cheaper deal than you would a guy like Shields seems like the play for me. Locking up $10+ million a season for the next 4+ years at CB gives me reason to pause. Milliner really flipped the switch in December, I think you go to war with him penciled in as your "future #1 CB" and signing Cro will give you a guy to keep at CB1 while Milliner develops (or they might just throw Milliner on #1's from the beginning since he did so well with Josh Gordon and Mike Wallace last year at the end there). So, you're basically signing Cro to be a stopgap #1 CB, future #2 CB with experience, ability and athleticism. And he's probably going to cost you $3+ million less per year than Shields. I'm starting to think Verner will price himself out of the Jets' plans by going after some kind of $12 million/annual deal. 


It's not that you are "wrong." It's just that you're premature. It could be a very sound investment depending on health and cost. 

harold
harold

Jones actually was hurt pretty early on in his career.  It affected his speed for the remainder of his time with the Jets.  He never became what we hoped.

Lastly Cro is 30 and the fact that the injury re-surfaced has to be cause for concern.  Rather than debate the injury let's prgress the argument into why would he be a good gamble at this point?

Just don't see it as a good investment.  Tell me why I am wrong? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Cro has always susceptible to the double move, I agree with that point. But his tremendous recovery speed allows him to bite on those without getting left behind by WR's. It's part of his total, maddening package. 


I've read up quite a bit on Hickey, and haven't read a single good thing. How are you feeling about the hire? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples But covering an outside receiver who goes over the middle isn't like covering a slot guy. On the outside your man either goes inside or works the sideline, which you can use to your advantage as the defender. In the slot, your man can go either direction, making your job harder. 

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I don't think we NEED to draft a safety....bring Ed Reed back and work with the guys we have...if a safety falls into our laps, then take one....otherwise lets see what Allen and Miles and Bush can do alondside Reed and Landry.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Why does his skill covering slot receivers matter, at all? He was never signed to do that job. 

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Yes, he will be 30 this year. People are acting like he's the same age as Ed Reed. 


He was listed with a "hip" injury for one week in 2008, but since then he had never had a "hip" injury listed on a weekly injury report until this year. 


Bo Jackson's hip was arthritic. A-Rod has had multiple surgeries on his hip. Jones' injury was a chipped bone, a freak accident after a long career. 


I just don't see how these injuries are what you point to when talking about Cro, a guy who was able to play through his hip pain (none of these guys could), doesn't need surgery (these guys did) and should be healthy in a month's time. 

harold
harold

he will be 30 when season starts.  I thought he had surgery back in 2008 or so I could be mistaken.  I thought that was what happened.  But maybe that was just the injury.  Sorry if I mistated.  It doesn't change the overall premise which is hips are really tricky. 

Just don't seeing it ending well.  Just look at Bo, A-Rod, our own Marvin Jones etc.  Hips rob you of explosiveness.  It is hard to be the same guy after those problems.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  Antonio Cromartie is 29 years old. 


"On the wrong side of 30." 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  


You're correc,t his cap number is huge ($14 million). He gets a $5 million roster bonus, which is what I think you're referring to above. Cutting him saves $9.5 million, so you could actually cut him and re-sign him for $6 million per year and still have a net savings. I think they will try to work out a short extension and keep him, but I'm open to replacing him if that's the better option. 

levi
levi

@jake100  My heart isnt set on bringing Cro back but I wouldnt mind it either. If Milliner improves enough they can start putting him on the #1 WR and that will take a lot of pressure off Cro.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  When did he have surgery on it previously? I don't remember that ever happening and there's nothing online to support that. 

harold
harold

I am glad we got that settled. lol

harold
harold

I agree 100% because of the resources we have it is just not a good gamble

harold
harold

Brendan:

He did have surgery on it previously.  So I assume it pretty serious, just not fast moving.  So he can play and may not need surgery because they simply cannot do anything to repair it.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  I don't know how you can just assume it's that serious. He said he'll be 100% this month, which is probably optimistic, but I would prefer an MRI dictate the severity instead of you or I. 

harold
harold

I think we all have to assume it is some type of Bone on bone or issue (cartilage, ligament damage).  It is probably similar but not as serious as an A-Rod issue. 

I think it will prohibit him form being what he was over the long term.

I just think if he has a lower cap number you might just roll the dice.  But since you have to let him go anyway you should just upgrade when you have so much space under the cap.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  I still would like to know wha this hip issue is. If it's a muscle tear of some sort I'd be more worried. If it's a hip-pointer or something that isn't serious, but just never healed because he never sat out...I'm more likely to bring him back. 

harold
harold

I would love Cro back.  Just don't think you can trust his hip.  If it was last year and we did not have good options and cap room.  Sign him but we have too many alternatives to waste on him as a resource.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  I want Reed back...badly. 


Reed/Landry/Allen in a 3-safety rotation with an upgrade CB1 (and I actually consider a healthy Cro on a cheaper deal to be an upgrade at CB1) would be better to me than throwing the bank at Byrd. 

harold
harold

I know everyone seems to forget.  Ed Reed had 3 picks in 7 games.  If you put that over a 16 games season that is 7 picks.  I think he would help us a lot if we brought him back.  Draft a saftey let him coach them up for a season.

CB is definitely the bigger deal.  At least 5 CB are coming off really good season (Davis, Grimes, Talib, Shields and Verner).  So you also have Tarell Brown who is underrated and Munnerlyn who could probably be had on the cheap if you want to go cheap.  So a lot of options at that position.  I would certainly go CB.

levi
levi

@Brendan @kniff  Yes, in todays game CB is one of the most important positions on the field. But, a ballhawking rangy safety can make a huge difference in the secondary. Just because Rex hasnt had a great safety since a young Reed in Baltimore doesnt mean he wouldnt love one. He has been searching for one since he got here we have had different safties each year I think.

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff Verner, Shields, Grimes are all elite CB's that will be UFA's. And that's just in the top tier, there are lesser guys that could start, too, but I think it's more important to have elite CB play in Rex's defense. 

kniff
kniff

@Brendan @johnnyl65 @kniff  With Cro maybe going, I underscore the need right along with you guys, but don't see any FA Cornerbacks that make sense for other than Talib, and I don't really see that happening for us...


Maybe we then prioritize WR, TE, and CB in the draft....