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171 comments
newyorkj
newyorkj

I know pulling star players away from teams is hard to do, but in light of recent reports that Andre Johnson is unhappy in Houston I feel the Jets should pursue a trade for the Star receiver.  He is the WR1 that we desperately need and completes our offensive re haul.  Giving up a 2nd and even an additional conditional pick would be well worth it for a #1 WR of Johnson's status. It would give the Jets a reliable threat for the next few years.  Not to mention the fact that he has always been a humble and hard working player, he would fit right in with the new regime.  I am very curious why there has been ZERO speculation on such a move... we have the cap space, the need, and the resources to pull it off, so I am really holding out hope for this type of splash.

a57se
a57se

Is anyone else surprised the Jets haven't brought in any competition for Quigley, our punter?

a57se
a57se

@newyorkj  

I totally disagree with your assessment of Andre johnsons' value.

I think he is too old to invest premium draft picks in...........

tsjc68
tsjc68

@newyorkj  Andre Johnson (whom I advocated below pursuing if he's released and available on the open market) signed a contract extension in 2010 that gives him the following base salaries for the next three years:


2014: 10M

2015: 10.5M

2016: 11M


Trade for him, and you're assuming those base salaries to keep him on roster (unless you renegotiate the deal, converting some of it to guaranteed bonuses).  He also has a 1M roster bonus for all three of those years.


He turns 33 in July.


I like Andre Johnson, and I'd love to add him at the right price, but paying 33-year-old Andre Johnson 11-12M per for each of the next three years isn't a good idea.

levi
levi

@newyorkj  I would not give up a 2nd for a WR who has begun to decline from age.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jake100  Especially if you keep linking to horrible articles written by insipid morons.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  I hope you get banned the next time you link to something this stupid. 

privatejet
privatejet

@a57se  I guess they don't plan on punting this season. Four downs baby!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  I'll be stunned if they go all through training camp without one. I don't necessarily care if they bring someone in for rookie camp. 

harold
harold

Stunned no punter has been brought.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se  


That's an understatement.   Was surprised Jets didn't draft or sign a UDFA punter.   Quigley down under isn't the solution.   

a57se
a57se

@Jeff E. Guy

He definitely wants to play for a team that he thinks has a chance to compete for a SB........i am not sure, but I would think the Jets would not be too high on his list. Then again, Houston doesn't seem to be inclined to get rid of him at this point. 

O'brien and the GM are doing everything they can to smooth things over with Andre at this point.

newyorkj
newyorkj

@tsjc68 @newyorkj  I see what you are saying and maybe I priced him too high out of excitment of the idea. But declining or not, at the right price (Idk maybe a 3-5 round pick) I would take on that contract and do just what you said... turn some into bonuses, try to re-work the deal, or even just plan to have him on the books for the next 2 years.. In my opinion he is worth that money, even if its slightly more than he should be payed, if thats the price we pay to get him to NY then I am all for it.  His production on the field may decline slightly but he is still HIGHLY capable of being a number one for the near future and gives us time to address other needs and assess other possibilities at WR in a few seasons. Not to mention his off the field value, in the locker room and as a mentor to younger players learning how to be successful from one of the best in the game.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @newyorkj  Agreed.  I like Andre Johnson, but my offer would max out at a 6th for him, and only if he agreed to take a paycut (which I doubt he would).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @jake100  


Important takeaways from that "article":


- Jeremy Kerley is going to be the #1, and Eric Decker the #2

- Eric Decker operates primarily from the slot

- Marty Mornhinweg likes to run the ball and the run/pass ratio this year will be 70% running and 30% throwing


(I really, really hope that "Louie Tirado, Jr." did not receive any financial compensation for that drivel, because I don't want to live in a world where that happens.)


Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Brendan @a57se  


Does anyone know if Van der Kamp or Hornsey picked up yet?  Thought either of them, or even O'Donnell, would have been worth inviting to camp.

williamg1
williamg1

@harold  I'm still shocked at Malone being cut. Mostly the timing of his cut. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@harold  


Hard to play field position games without a decent P.   Would have thought that would a priority given our solid D and evolving O.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @tsjc68  Pats are only $8m under the cap right now.  Not impossible to add a contract like his, but would make things pretty tight for them going forward.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I am perfectly fine with the Pats throwing picks and tens of millions of dollars at Brady's closing window. The team hasn't won a title in a decade, it's about time people started actually noticing the cracks in that facade. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @newyorkj @a57se  


Don't like the idea of taking on a #1 WR who's 33 and carries a bloated contract.   Can't see Idzik going that route, either.  If the Jets were all-that concerned about a #1 receiver they would have drafted one two weeks ago, or signed DJax when he was available. 


The fact they did neither is telling.   

tsjc68
tsjc68

@newyorkj @tsjc68 @a57se  Giving up a premium pick to get the next three expensive years of DeSean Jackson is a better idea than giving up a premium pick for the next three expensive years of Andre Johnson, FWIW.

newyorkj
newyorkj

@tsjc68 @a57se @newyorkj  

Maybe... and I've mentioned crazy things before.. Like the Jets getting Vick and CJ2k.. but crazy things happen sometimes.  I also thought the Jets would get DJax which in retrospect I am happy they passed, but anything after the first 2 rounds id happily give up for him, maybe its just me.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@newyorkj @tsjc68  Let's see what we have, the quicker we give the young guys playing time, the quicker they will be productive. If some how we can make a Deal with Cleveland for Gordon, than that would be worth it, he's young and would be the future, and at the same time an immediate impact.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@newyorkj @tsjc68  Not for a 33 year old.


That's just way too rich for a guy that old.


Anquan Boldin got traded for a 6th.  That should be the top of Johnson's market.  And even that might be too much for a guy who has 35M in money left on his books through his age 35 season.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples Yes, Hank.  I "lost the argument" that time when you proved to the board that you didn't know what Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. was but somehow thought that you knew black history better than me.  Right.


(rolls eyes)

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, good thing you've never said anything along the lines of "I'm smarter than everyone on TJB" or anything. You're definitely speaking from an objective place here. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples What happens when tsjc and I disagree, then? It happens, fairly often. 


I'll help you out and answer this for you. 


The difference is, when I or tsjcs pose an alternate side to a discussion (not an argument), it's in a way that doesn't come off as authoritative. We hear the other side, adjust out points and usually end in a situation where we say "hm, that's a good point. I guess we'll wait and see." 


Try it sometime, it's fun. 

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples @levi

Hank, what you fail to realize is they know infinitely more about Football than you or I do and they have pondered these hard questions to depths that you and I can only imagine..........you have to give them their due!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples No, Hank. Most of us don't take an internet message board disagreement as a "personal affront to [our] manhood." 


You literally insult me every time you call me an apologist, so until you stop doing that you don't have a leg to stand on in this regard. 

levi
levi

@tsjc68  How am I supposed to get informed if I dont enter the discussion?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You can be uninformed, but unless you act like you are informed you're not an idiot. You can be informed, but you can go around mocking people endlessly like a child, and that'd make you an idiot. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples  


May I ask what is wrong with being PROVOCATIVE and CREATING discussion in a OPEN FORUM?


Because when uninformed idiots jump into a discussion in an open forum, it doesn't add value to the debate, it creates needless sidebars litigating non-issues and wastes everyone's time.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Uh oh. I think fense may ask to have a word when he sees this. 

levi
levi

@a57se  Actually green kool-aid is the worst flavor out of all of them. Thats an undeniable fact.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Do you think it's a good article? No? Then stop being a pest. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples  Yeah, so instead of talking about stats, let's take an article that doesn't bother to use them at all to make a bunch of half-assed proclamations in May! 

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

Kum-Bay-Yah My Lord........Kum-Bay-Yah!

Ya gotta try the KoolAid Hank......mmmmmm-mmmmmm-Good!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples 


Here are the five brilliant questions asked in that PROVACATIVE piece that Joseph linked to:


1. Will Dee Milliner be the #1 CB!?


Yes. This question already has a definitive answer. 


2. Will Eric Decker be the #1 WR!? 


Yes. This question already has a definitive answer. 


3. Will Marty use a more aerial attack this year?


Probably. The team ran a lot to keep pressure off of Geno, but acting like they're going to run the ball 70% of the time (more than they did in 2009) is insane. The goal for this offense is balance, not to be dominated by one phase. 


4. What player will be responsible for kickoff/punt returns?


Finally a question worth discussing! Oh, except they left out literally HALF of the discussion by not even acknowledging the team drafted Saunders, who is an exceptional return man and will push Ford, probably off the roster (unless Saunders has a nightmare). 


5. Who will win the starting QB job!?


New and fresh topic!


-------------------------------



I'm all for new discussion topics, but these aren't new. Or complete. Or coherent. It's awfully written, it's awfully researched and it's an awful "click 20 times to get through this" article. 

levi
levi

@Hanknaples  I agree with you Hank and thats why I like you. You create discussion with nearly every post.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 You posted a link without saying anything. Next time say "hey, look how terrible this article is!" and people won't assume it's just another one of your pointed linkings to a Bleacher Report or Rant Sports article. 


Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@tsjc68 @Brendan @jake100  man I hope this doesn't happen, lol, that would be terrible.. I guess We can dress Hill, Gates, Ford as cheerleaders, and the remaing as mascots, haha, 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi With feces he was smearing on the wall. 

levi
levi

@tsjc68  That would immediately raise his potential in my book. But what would Hank think about it? (wow, I asked someone to try and read Hanks mind)

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@levi @tsjc68  


If we get any more dreads on this team they'll alter the face masks on the helmets to be open in the front, like pointed tusks, and change the name to the Metro Predators.  

levi
levi

@tsjc68  C'mon man, dreads mean nothing! Beards are the only thing that matters, gnarliness being the most prized of course.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hazard2012 @tsjc68 @Bent @Brendan @a57se  Quigley was 45, with a net of 38.


Palardy intrigues me, as he seems to have a strong leg while being a few inches shorter than all the other big-name collegiate punters.  If he can generate all the length that they can at 5'11" instead of 6'4", then theoretically he'd be less prone to getting his punt blocked (since his toe would be that much further away from the oncoming punt-blockers.)


Plus, he can kick as well, in case Folk tweaks anything.  Nice bonus.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @tsjc68 @Hazard2012 @Brendan @a57se  FWIW, Hornsey won the Ray Guy award for best punter last year, and as 9th in Yards per Punt (45.2).


Palardy was 13th at 44.5 ypp.  Tyler Campbell of Ole Miss was 14th (44.4 ypp).  Van der Kamp's 41.6 ypp did not place inside the top 20.



Bent
Bent moderator

@Hazard2012 @tsjc68 @Bent @Brendan @a57se  Hornsey was at Jets rookie camp on a tryout basis.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @Hazard2012 @Bent @Brendan @a57se  


Doesn't look like anyone's signed Hornsey, either. He's an Aussie, known for a strong leg and a rep for successful fake punts..running the throwing.   But short arms, small hands and not exactly Jon Hall on tackling.   

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Bent @Hazard2012 @Brendan @a57se  


Thanks, Bent.  Not sure if they actually had these three P's in, however, but I think they were the top rated P's in country, so perhaps they did.   


Bottom line, Quigley didn't impress me last year.  A good punter can be an invaluable weapon.    

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hazard2012 @Brendan @a57se  From what I heard Palardy performed the best out of the punters they had in, but no, none of them were picked up.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @Hazard2012 @williamg1 @harold  


Which is why Quigley needs some competition, but Ray Guy's are in short supply.   Maybe that's why someone like Hornsey---who can throw and run as well as kick--- is intriguing.  

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@tsjc68 @Hazard2012 @williamg1 @harold  


Nice work, 68, as always.  I actually didn't think either Quigley or Malone averaged 45+ ypp, etc..   Middle-of-the-pack guys, as you said.   Not stellar, but not as bad as I thought.   .   

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hazard2012 @williamg1 @harold  


Quigley, 2013:

72 punts, 3278 yds, 45.5 ypp, 38.9 net-ypp, 3 touchbacks (4.2%), 21 inside the 20 (29.2%), 34 returns, 381 ret yards, 11.2 avg return, long of 67, zero punts blocked


Malone, 2012:

84 punts, 3848 yds, 45.8 ypp, 38.5 net ypp, 8 touchbacks (9.5%), 27 inside the 20 (32.1%), 31 returns, 375 ret yards, 12.1 avg return, long of 61, 2 punts blocked


Without looking at their respective average hangtimes (which is important), it looks like they're both pretty middle-of-the-pack in terms of gross yards and net yards, but Quigley is a little better at directional punting to keep it out of the endzone and avoid the touchback, and obviously didn't allow a blocked punt (although those probably weren't Malone's fault).


Quigley by a hair.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@williamg1 @harold  


So was I.  Actually thought Malone was the better, more consistent P, but not sure the numbers bear that out.