Daily Links: Previews & Predictions

  • TOJ Jets Roster Preview – The Debated Pass Catchers [Turn On The Jets]
  • Demario Davis: ‘Not making the playoffs is not an option’ [NY Daily News]
  • New York Jets Training Camp Preview: O-Line & D-Line [Cover32]
  • David Nelson Feels the Vibe at Wideout [NY Jets]
  • 2014 NFL Training Camp Battles: Is Geno the answer for the Jets? [CBS]



48 comments
jsadolph
jsadolph

In the Cover 32 article they sugar coated Winters play last season.  He did look better at the end of the season. But to listen to them, he was just a little below average.

BDarc23
BDarc23

The Jets will have some big receivers out there this year with Decker, Nelson, Hill and Amaro.  That has to be tough on opposing defenses on 3rd down and in the red zone.

bklyndude
bklyndude

I wonder if the crowds are assembling and Cortland is going to be under siege from all of those groups that hate Michael Vick ?

Brendan
Brendan

Rex's best teams were confident and had a true sense of togetherness. Between Davis and Nelson's comments, it seems like they've been fostering both this offseason. 

NJJDB
NJJDB

It was a decent article until he decided to end with that 'too close for comfort' line.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jsadolph "Winters had a solid rookie year, showing flashes in pass protection and in the run-game."


Yeah...no.


Guess that's what happens when you cover 32 instead of just one.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 And that group of big receivers is complemented nicely by Kerley and Saunders, two small, quick guys who can really hurt defenses that are paying too much attention to the bigger targets. You also didn't even mentioned Cumberland, who is just as much of a size issue as the rest of those guys. That's five players 6'4" or bigger, hopefully that helps Geno hit his targets. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@bklyndude 

I'm on the PETA internal mailing list.  It's going to be a much bigger distraction than the naive suspect.  I've never seen them do some of the things they have planned.  It's borderline stuff, which may get a few of them arrested, but will generate serious headlines and an even greater awareness of the nation's dog fighting problems.  It's too bad Vick is the celebrity target, because they're just using him as a soapbox.  And it's too bad that he was such a worthless human being for so many years.  He may have paid his debt to the justice system, but in many people's eyes, he still hasn't paid in full.

levi
levi

@bklyndude I hope not. I dont want to get thrown out. I want to enjoy the camp.

levi
levi

@Brendan 'Hey, we're going to block you, we're going to run hard, we're going to be aggressive, and we're going to be violent.' "



 I like it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @jsadolph That's probably because the Jets official roster defines him as a DE.  In fact in a post later on today, Bassett will include IK+ with the defensive line (although he does explain that this is based on the official roster in a first paragraph disclaimer).

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @bklyndude

because they're just using him as a soapbox.......

So it's not about Michael Vick the person but about the group PETA getting an opportunity to yell and scream and hold up some signs and draw attention to themselves..........wow, I am so surprised.

levi
levi

@Brendan  I see Dustin Poirier is campaigning hard for a McGregor fight.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The possibility exists that they won't remain friendly if Geno struggles, but history indicates it's less likely than the opposite. Vick's already shown he can handle being a backup to a young QB. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jsadolph I don't think anyone is willing to take the "Brian Winters was pretty good!" guy into their ranks. 

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy Even if he doesn't crack the WR rotation out of camp, we at least get to see him on returns where he should be plenty exciting. He seems to be the most NFL-ready WR they drafted, so he has an outside shot at taking a legitimate share of WR snaps, too. 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Welp, I'm sold. Let those two young guns trade bombs and see who is left when the dust clears. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Well, let's say he was to earn a role as a situational rusher.  The Jets would typically use a four man front with Barnes or Pace and Coples as the two ends.  Clearly he'd be a defensive end in those packages.  Obviously he wouldn't be a DE in the base defense but he's probably not in the mix for a role there.


Also, if this means he gets to work with Dunbar, that's not a bad thing for the kid's development.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se This is why we dislike you. 


No one you call "Happy Meal Crew" has said either of those things. In fact, the majority of us agreed that those two things are silly statements. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Brendan I watched a bunch of his tape after the draft and came away super impressed

Brendan
Brendan

@MarshRandy My biggest concern was size, with rumors that he was playing at 160 or below for a lot of last season I just thought his body wouldn't hold up. But he's apparently packed on some weight and if he can keep it on and play in the 175 range, I feel much better about his chances. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @jsadolph I think he's just using that to differentiate between DL and LB to be honest.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No I didn't. You act like people on this blog are saying those things, when they're saying the opposite. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Brendan he puts on 5 or so pounds and it's essentially what Desean Jackon weighed in at. And they play similarly too, with Saunders more willing to catch the ball in traffic

bklyndude
bklyndude

@MarshRandy @Brendan

I've got it in my head he's going to remind me of Leon Washington in his first year in the sense people are going to say "who is that guy" after a few spectaculor plays from time to time.

As a rotational player,  I'm less worried about his size.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They don't list any prominent DL as DE's. Everyone is either DT or DL, then guys like Ik, Hyder, Grady, Thompson and Fugger are listed as DE's. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Rex made the comment that Harris was a top 100 player. Some random website made the comment that Winters was good. 


People on this site knocked both of those comments down immediately. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude All it'll take is one big punt return for a score or to set up a score. People will take notice and from there it's up to Jalen to hook them. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan He was a DE in college and the Jets play plenty of 4-3.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So, implying that the HMC is associated with those things is false. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent


I don't know much about Fugger but Enemkpali is backing up Coples as the RUSH and Coples does work at least some of the time with Dunbar and the DL group so I think that is likely.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Um, no. You can choose to apply it whenever you want, but I'll be here to call it out as BS. 


No one on the blog suggested either of those things, and people you peg as HMC argued against both comments. But that won't stop you from fighting straw men, as is your nature. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent


I wouldn't read much into the official depth chart but the one they give to the players is in two parts.  Base, which goes END-NOSE-TACKLE on the front and SAM-MIKE-WILL-RUSH for the LBs and Sub which goes END-TACKLE-TACKLE-END and Coples was indeed listed as an end on this, as were Barnes, McIntyre and Sapp.


Since the sub package is the best guys like Fugger and IK can hope for, maybe they are correctly treated as DEs.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I most certainly am not. I laid out the facts, you just don't want to acknowledge them so you can rinse and repeat this behavior. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent But Coples DOES play in base, where he's listed as the RUSH.


Can you see why Bassett would just go along with what it says in the official roster rather than waste potentially hours figuring out who goes where?

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Bent @a57se 

Especially when Rex preaches that he wants all his players to be multiple.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That doesn't make you special, the majority of people here think for themselves.