Daily Links: Secret Plan

  • Idzik doesn’t rule out drafting a QB [NY Daily News]
  • Jets Open to Trades [NY Jets]
  • Idzik comically tight-lipped about Jets’ draft plans [NY Post]
  • Payback time for free-agent losses [ESPN NY]
  • Former New York Jets Anthony Becht Talks NFL Draft [Turn On The Jets]
  • Jon Gruden: Michael Vick-Geno Smith QB competition will be ‘photo finish’ [NJ]



92 comments
big_mo_96
big_mo_96

Read some reports about 49ers potentially trading up for Ravens pick at 17 to take Beckham. I know rumours are to be taken lightly at this time but with the Harbaugh connection and SF having a bunch of early picks (6 in top 100, I think) - could be on of the more realistic possibilities?

Cordell C
Cordell C

Had an arguement in a barbershop about randy moss being better than rice. All the old people thought I was crazy, but I never seen anyone else make the catches I seem randy make. And jerry rice played his whole career with hof qbs when moss played with Brady he set records may have been outspoken and obnoxious but he ran a sub 4.3 forty jumped out the gym and had great hands made some of the most rediculous catches in nfl history

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

ESPN had something on Jerry Rice and Bill Walsh yesterday.  Walsh's skill was drafting "developable" players he could spot as opposed to the finished product.

Ergo...Jerry Rice from Mississippi Valley.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Can we ask Ed Reed to come back already... por favor...

mrblint
mrblint

I haven't looked forward to the draft so much in years. I ran a dozen of those fanspeak drafts and it is really amazing the good players that were still available in the 4th round. There are so many quality WRs and CBs . Hard to figure who will be available - I like Marquis Lee, I think he would be the best compliment to Decker and Kerley unless Evans were available by some miracle - these guys are real receivers that know how to get open and catch the ball. I also think a 4th round pick could easily yield a quality WR (in my playing around with fanspeak I found guys like Huff, Archer (anyone remember Bruce Harper) , Herron, Brown and others) Having some real depth at WR will be fantastic and I think it might help Hill improve.  I still hold out some hope for Hill. The guy is only 22 at the start of the season. having three other guys that can get open plus CJ on the field can only help him develop. I am less confident that the CBs that are likely to fall to us will be 1st round worthy but I am sure a good CB can be had in the second or maybe even third. I don't want to draft a TE in the first round - I saw this analysis that showed that they just don't have the same impact as a great receiver unless you get a Gronk (that is actually durable - maybe I should have just said a Gonzalez) it just doesn't make sense. Finally I think the jets could pick up some real help in the secondary in the middle to late rounds. I am less familiar with the other positions but I am sure Idzik will surprise me a with some OL or LB picks along the way.

This will be fun to track.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I dont think there are too many Jets fans who would not be disappointed if we dont get at least 10 wins and a WC considering the fact that we won 8 games last season with a rookie qb and no offense, now we have CJ and Decker. 


I am looking at this as objectively as I can and we did we overachieve greatly? There were those two end of game ref calls that gave us 2 wins and our losses were by over a combined 100 points, as we were almost dead last in points differential. Is it possible that we greatly overachieved and level out to 8 wins this season? I dont know, but I dont want to set myself up for a letdown , so I keep that in the back of my head, and just look forward to the building process.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

Gruden's QB analysis is a joke.  He gets by on his overbearing personality more than his football knowledge.  I've had Division 2 coaches break down film better than he can.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Talk about Andre the Giant (Andre Williams) as a mid round running back pick for us. They say he is a 230 pound barrel of TNT! With a reliance on the ground game and Ivory durability issues, it might not be a bad move.

We will need to address the safety position this year. This is where Calvin Pryor  comes into the picture- old school player who will light you up. Calvin can play the nickel and fits better in Rex's D.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I have to admit, if we don't win at least 10 games and get into the playoffs this season I will be disappointed. We have a solid ground game, Geno  will be in his second year and left off with the arrow pointing up, Milliner has also showed at the end what he is capable of. Yeah, we still have some holes but all teams do, and I felt we could have done more in FACY on both sides of the ball, but the offense did improve with CJ and Decker, albeit, a concern with the oline and secondary, but overall, we should win a couple more games than last season and hopefully a post season. 2015 will be the real run, Ariba!

bob
bob

There was a right up  on Zack Martin stating that he could play well at any position on the o-line however at the guard position they think he would be a pro bowler. What a safety net to have.


Its one thing getting  punch In da nose by Martin but getting another punch in da nose by Mangold Well dat would be just a little to much..


Awe No!  Another Sheldon Richardson or a Nick Mangold added to the offensive side of the line.. awe no!   would you like to run da ball?

a57se
a57se

@Cordell C  

I can understand why they thought you were crazy.......

a57se
a57se

@Mike Milea  

After the Draft, maybe right before training camp......gotta rest his body.

jetlife
jetlife

@mrblint  I like Rashaad Reynolds at CB in the 3rd/4th round

Pat d
Pat d

mrblint

I can tell you are a very intelligent football fan.

a57se
a57se

@mrblint  

Hill turned 23 a few days ago but I still have a lot of hope for him too.

mrblint
mrblint

@jake100 I think those wins you mentioned are balanced out by the first Pats loss (where Geno threw the game away) and the fact that Geno clearly went into a total slump in mid season. There were several games where the D gave up few points but the Offense gave up the farm. This year if that happens He will get benched for Vick. If Geno can develop some consistency they will do very well. Our running game should be terrific and he will definitely have more weapons - if we can just hit on a couple receivers in this draft. The defense will be as good or better. We lost Cro, but last year Cro was awful. We could plug in almost anybody and we would do as well. But we should be able to add some real talent that might contribute right away.

a57se
a57se

@jake100  

I wouldn't be disappointed if we didn't meet your silly, overblown expectations.

levi
levi

@jake100    Your flip flopping is laughable. Just a couple weeks ago what was you predicted record for the team?

jetlife
jetlife

@jake100  That would essentially give us 3 RBs who can't catch out of the backfield, assuming Goodson is gone before the season.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

 He is a first round pick (top 15), what are you insinuating? 

levi
levi

@bob  Haha Clinton Dix would also be a Safety net.

mrblint
mrblint

@Pat dI am an old football fan...check that... Old Jets fan (first jets draft I ever read about in real time featured the selection of Joe Namath).. that means I am very familiar with the ground swell of hope that suddenly, inexplicably comes over many of us just before the draft. So I am an experienced fan (ie. I have seen a lot of drafts)  - - this sort of makes up for my actual lack of football intelligence. But this sure looks like a great Draft. In particular the talent at the positions of need for the Jets - WR and CB. Here is a fan speak draft I ran - I think the Donte Montcreif select could never happen in the real world but the rest is very much possible - this would certainly strengthen the Jets significantly.

JUSTIN GILBERT CB 

 JORDAN MATTHEWS WR

 DEONE BUCANNON S 

 DONTE MONCRIEF WR 

 C.J. FIEDOROWICZ TE

 LOGAN THOMAS QB 

 MATT PATCHAN OT 

 BENE BENWIKERE CB 

 DEZ SOUTHWARD S 

 JOHN BROWN WR 

 ETHAN WESTBROOKS DE

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@levi @jake100  I believe I said that I will wait to the last preseason game for my prediction at the end of August as I have done for years. Now , it is just fun. It is very difficult to predict at this time of year, but we can have ideas..

bob
bob

@levi @bob


Ya know what I'm hoping for. Idzik says even if its close between a need at a skill position or the or a lineman who has a high grade  Idzik says that he's not gonna leave the grade level..So I'm hoping that the receivers  and cornerbacks and Ebron with high grades are off the board when the Jets pic...

and Zack Martin is still there..


Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100  I predict that Joey's prediction will be 9-7.  Right around where everyone thinks they will be but then he'll be able to brag about being within a game or two so long as they win between 7 and 11 games which most people think they will.


He will also temper this prediction with a laundry list of negatives and concerns, so that if they under-perform he'll be able to point to that as the reason his prediction was off.  Hardly any of these things will come true (and indeed if they all did, then the team would have lost every game) thereby rendering his powers of prediction not that impressive, even if his final prediction is close to reality, which in all probability it will be.


What do I win?

a57se
a57se

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

Looking at the players we have shown interest in this year and last year, the scouting seems to be the same.

Please note I said "SEEMS", until we draft one or three, I won't know for sure.

Ivory kind of fits the mold in my eyes as he is more of a one dimensional back, same with Goodson.

Chris Johnson is the all purpose guy.....

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@a57se @jetlife  Tanny is gone though, and it's quite possible that Idzik and MM have different ideas about RBs.  Neither Goodson nor CJ fit that "prototype" and Idizik hasn't drafted a RB yet.

Cordell C
Cordell C

I like Powell think he's underrated we try to replace him every year and he beats out the competition

a57se
a57se

@jetlife @a57se 

Well so was Bryce Brown, Albert Morris and Arian Foster picked 6th round or later. The point is we seem to have an idea about what the RB should look like and that 'prototype' doesn't seem to turn out very good.

jetlife
jetlife

@a57se Gannaway was a 6th rd pick, so I'm not gonna get all worked up about that. Greene was upsetting though, I will admit


a57se
a57se

@jetlife @a57se 

He was our attempt at a 3rd down RB........Shonn greene and Terrence Gannaway were our power back picks and Andre Williams is of the same mold.

Powell was our attempt at an all-around back and that is what he is except he isn't very good at anything but trying hard.

jetlife
jetlife

@a57se Well, Joe McKnight was SUPPOSED to be our 3rd down RB of the future. He panned out well as a good KR for 2 seasons, but I would consider him a disappointment overall.

a57se
a57se

@jake100  

That would be a typical Jets pick at RB, a slow, plodding RB with no hands.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@joemustgo @jetlife @jake100  CJ is a solid receiver out of the backfield! Andre would give us  a powerhouse if Ivory goes down. Powell is just Powell.

Cordell C
Cordell C

Pryor is a fs him or haha would be a nice first round pick

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@levi @jake100  

Tis true, but he is an animal and we also need a young SS. Landry is not getting any younger. Lets see what Allen can do at FS with a full season, he has showed some real promise. 


They say Pryor is so instinctive that he could start from day one and his psychological fear presence on the field as a hammer, can not be taken for granted. 

joemustgo
joemustgo

@bob @levi  I could live with that. I want a team that beats the snot out of you on either side of the ball.