Daily Links: Silence The Critics

  • New Jet RB Johnson out to prove Tennessee wrong [NY Post]
  • Geno Smith is Confident in His New York Jets [The J-E-T Press]
  • 5 Dark Horse Candidates to Make the New York Jets’ 53-Man Roster [Rant Sports]
  • Chris Mortensen: Rex is the Right Guy for the Jets [New York Jets]
  • Potential Breakout Stars: DeMarcus “Dee” Milliner, Cornerback [Gang Green Nation]



129 comments
machoking
machoking

I am really excited to see CJ play... the thought of him being hurt last year and healthy this year, is really exciting.... I might have to order another official jersey from China.

williamg1
williamg1

I'm really surprised Joey didn't post 3 consecutive comments to start this thread. I'm worried about him. He should have been here by now. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Maybe he's taking a little vacay before the busy season kicks off? 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1

Maybe Joey is pacing himse--HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, oh, man, I almost made it through that without laughing.

boomer
boomer

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer In what bizarro world do the Mets get more respect than the Jets?


Maybe in some locations but overall the Mets are viewed as one of the worst franchises in baseball.

Brendan
Brendan

@boomer In NYC, the one where they're both based? 


The Mets are ignored. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Please don't venture into Metland and tell a Mets fan which way is up. Ask anyone who is a fan of both, the Mets are legitimately embarrassing, the Jets are not. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Hey, settle down over there before I start giving the entire Yankees roster beard envy. 

boomer
boomer

@Brendan @boomer Nah.  They are treated as what they are, a 2nd class franchise in a city that loves winners. When they were winning they were gods.  


And I say that as a Met fan of more than 40 years.

jsnooka
jsnooka

Lol this is true but the two r not that far apart. Mets can at least bolster a 86 championship the jets well u already know the story

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Maybe my view of the Mets is a little more objective?

They have had their struggles the last few years but they were in the World Series not so long ago.

I have gone through the same type of downturns following the Jets and I felt they were an embarrassment at those times as well.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @williamg1

Mangini wouldn't have drafted that DIRTBAG Josh Gordon, i can tell you that right now!!!!!! 


he would have taken a great WR, like MIKE WALLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

Just yankin' your crank a bit.  I actually have a soft spot in my heart for the Mets.  My dad is a Mets fan (one of the classic 60's New Yorkers who transferred his Brooklyn Dodgers fandom to Shea Stadium).  I bear them no ill-will.


The only real reason I gravitated towards the Yanks is because Yankee Stadium is literally 15 blocks from our family homes in the Bronx, so it was easier (plus, the Yankees stunk when my fandom started, and I love underdogs).  I rooted for Doc and Darryl in junior high, though.

Brendan
Brendan

@boomer They're treated like they don't exist, there's a difference. If the Jets had 1 playoff appearance in 14 seasons? I wouldn't be saying this. But they've made the playoffs higher than the league average, and the Mets are toiling in obscurity paying less for their roster than Midwestern teams in middling markets. It's legitimately embarrassing. 


The Mets are the team that should be getting the daily harassment that the Jets get, and vice-versa. But that won't happen because the BWAA, for all their faults, does have pride in their work and the product they put out there. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jsnooka I was still shtting in my diaper when the Mets won their last World Series. I thought the championship grace period was only supposed to last like 5 years. 


Either way, the Jets "embarrass" fans in dumb, "ugh...that is really silly" sort of ways. The Mets embarrass fans in ways that make you start talking yourself into hating the entire sport so you can justify giving up on the team. You think a butt fumble is on par with having Jimmy Rollins rake his testicles across the team's collective forehead? One was a goofy play in a game that was a huge wet fart, the other was a season long "LOL  EAT IT, METS FANS!" from a guy who called BS on the Mets, backed it up, and won a god damn world series when the Mets were expected to do that. 


But I'm over it. Seriously, I am. Stop looking at me like that. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsnooka

I'm going to go ahead and defer to the guy here who is a Mets and Jets fan and let him tell me which franchise currently deserves more respect and esteem.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "Not so long ago" 


It was 14 years ago. I was a freshman in high school. That's a long, long time ago for a team in the #1 market in the world with billionaire owners with their own TV network. 


We are talking about right now, and right now the Mets are in a different league as far as being a crappy franchise go. Again, I have season tix for both, I've followed both my whole life, there is no comparison lately. 


And you pretending to be objective about the Mets is just...precious. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Oh I know, don't worry. I'm pretty sure every Mets fan hates those jerseys. 


My dad grew up in the Bronx and became a Mets fan right out of the gate. I still don't know what the hell he was thinking. I grew up not hating the Yankees, the late-90's teams were easy to root (but not 2000), but the fans that I grew up with just became completely intolerable about it. Now I just laugh at baseball in NYC in general, since it's probably the worst it's been in quite some time. 

boomer
boomer

@Brendan @boomer Well I won't dispute that the Jets are treated absurdly by the NY press.  I've argued the same thing here many, many times.


But I guess I see the Mets getting the same treatment.  When Alderson suggested the Mets were shooting for 90 wins this year the NY press ridiculed the crap out of him.  Nobody even expects the Mets to have a winning record let alone make the playoffs. They are that bad.  


And everyone knows the Mets have one of the lowest payrolls in the league.  They almost aren't worth heckling at this point.


The Jets are paying top dollar, as much as any other team with no restrictions or owner bankruptcies. They have no excuse for losing.


I hate the press the Jets get, particularly from the trolls who are supposedly their beat writers, but winning consistently will change things.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@Brendan @jsnooka In comparison, watching Beltran take that strike-3 at Shea was 10000x more painful than seeing Antonio Brown convert that 4th down in Pittsburgh.

jsnooka
jsnooka

This is true because as a Mets fan I don't bother watching baseball. However no matter how bad my jets are I'm glued to the tv every Sunday

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @tsjc68 

I grew up in the 60's...trust me, Baseball in NY was a lot worse from 1965 to 1968 when we had the two worst teams in Baseball.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@boomer @Brendan

I hate the press the Jets get, particularly from the trolls who are supposedly their beat writers, but winning consistently will change things.


And yet, since 1997 when Parcells arrived, we've won.  Consistently.


We have 142 wins since Parcells's first game.  That's 12th best in the entire league.  We've won more games than the Falcons, the 49ers, the Cowboys, the Chargers, the Saints, the Bears, etc.


We're not a horrible laughingstock anymore, but still get treated like the Browns or the Lions or the Raiders.


http://pfref.com/tiny/c727E

Brendan
Brendan

@boomer "When Alderson suggested the Mets were shooting for 90 wins this year the NY press ridiculed the crap out of him."


Deservedly so. Your ACE was on the shelf and you had a starting lineup where Ike Davis and Granderson (notorious windmills) were protecting your two good hitters (Murph/Wright). Saying 90 wins was silly, Mets fans (just like Jets fans) are smart and know when someone is trying to serve them sht. It was the fact that he predicted 90 wins after the team hasn't won 80 games since their 2008 collapse. 


"They almost aren't worth heckling at this point."


This is the point. The Mets are worth heckling because they deserve it. Not the players, but the ownership group and to a certain extent the front office. The Jets, frankly, don't. They deserve negative press the way any other random team gets it, served to them when they screw up, but otherwise just regular sports reporting. 


And the point tsjc and myself have made in here (which was promptly ignored by 57) is that when the Jets do win, that doesn't change the narrative. In '09 and '10 they were still "SOJ" despite winning 4 playoff road games, winning 20 regular season games in 2 years, etc. 


Reef's comment is fair in that the Mets are the true embarrassment, but if an alien came down to earth and looked at the situation with the way the reporting goes, they'd think the Jets were the team that is a laughingstock, not the Mets. 

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth I actually teared up after that Beltran K. 


That game had a single image that we as fans all have (that looping curve and Carlos' knees buckling), but with the Jets game it was just a series of painful plays, so I guess that may play a part in it. In terms of single-play, that K is one of the most upsetting plays I've ever seen as a fan, but as a game...both were pretty terrible. I don't think I could pick a worse game for me. 

jsnooka
jsnooka

Correction it's 24 years but who's counting

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan

The Jets of the past 15 years have been UNQUESTIONABLY the better franchise than the Mets.


Hence, Reefer's comment of:


I'll never understand why the Mets get more respect then the Jets.


Is sound.  The Mets get more respect than the Jets, despite the fact that the Mets have been a Madoffian-laughingstock for a decade-plus, while the Jets have been one of the better, more competitive, more relevant teams in the NFL over that same window.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The Jets have gotten closer more recently. 


Are you really going to argue about this today? The Mets owners are borderline criminals who spend less on their roster than the Minnesota twins. They have the medical staff born out of a bad sitcom writer's brain. They only spend money on aging OF's who benefit in previous seasons from very hitter friendly parks. They've sold "next year" for 3 years now. 


It's not a comparison. The Jets are struggling, the Mets are a laughingstock. 

boomer
boomer

@tsjc68 @boomer @Brendan When I worked for Cisco back in the day when router code was indistinguishable from black magic and often worked just as well we used to have a saying regarding our competitors, "We suck less!".


Maybe that should be our battle cry.

Bytor
Bytor

I'd argue that even the Lions get more positive pub. They suffered through Matt Millen and 0-16 and we still get less respect than the Lions. The freakin' Lions!

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @boomer 

and you and 68 missed my point completely...until the Jets actually get to and win another Super Bowl, they will receive the same treatment from the media. It has been 45 years and counting.

boomer
boomer

@Brendan @boomer Eh. You say potato I say potato.  That really doesn't work when you type it, does it?


I guess I've become comfortably numb to all of the press coverage of NY teams. I've been a Jets/Mets/Rangers/ and sort of Knicks when I can work up the effort to give a crap about professional basketball since I was able to understand what sports were. And the coverage of all my teams has is universally crap and has been for as long as I can remember.


Not telling you anything but the NY press (and fans) are unique. They don't want a winner, they think its a birthright and anything less than consistent excellence is viewed as failure.


When the Yankees were buying all those championships it wasn't viewed as anything other than normal.  It was the Yankees and the Yankees always win. That is the way of the universe.


Only it isn't and any fan of any other team in any other sport can tell you that.


The Mets have been the butt of jokes since they entered the league.  We all know them and its gotten so bad that making fun of them or hammering them is like kicking a beaten dog. Not worth the effort and pointless.


Having two teams in the same city is unique.  NY has them in all four major sports.  One team is going to be the darling and one the dog.  The Mets and the Jets are the dogs.  If one of them starts winning consistently, it will change. Slowly but it will. 

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@Brendan @J. Smooth At least Game 7 had the Endy play, which I was too small to see over the fans in front of me, and had to settle for the noise instead.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 But hey, the Mets matched the Jets' two conference title games in that time with two of the most epically embarrassing collapses in sports history. So...cool? 

jsnooka
jsnooka

Early 2000 Mets were actually good fyi .it wasn't til this whole Madoff incident which included the Wilpons did things start to go south. The Mets are clearly a franchise handicapped by ownership. The same cannot be said for the jets

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

What do you think rooting for the Leon Hess NY Jets was like?

After the 1969-70 season the Jets went 11 seasons without a winning record.

5 of the next 9 years they actually had a winning record with 4 playoff appearances but never made it past the Divisional rounds meanwhile the Giants were rising from the ashes with Bill Parcells running things...

Then the Jets had another 8 year run without a winning record culminated by the Rich Kotite 1-15 season.

That is 5 winning seasons in 28 years...when the Mets have been that bad for that long, we'll talk.

Brendan
Brendan

@boomer Comfortably numb, eh? Lot of Floyd references on the board lately (that wasn't a complaint, btw). 


I get what you're saying, and don't necessarily disagree. Winning tends to make the press behave, so that's why it's so frustrating with the Jets. And not even that, but there's immoral stuff happening fairly often with this team's beat, which is just infuriating. Telling me my sucky favorite team sucks doesn't upset me, because I'm very honest with myself about my sports teams. I just get mad because, win or lose, good or bad, it's LOLJets and nothing else. 


I'm fine with the underdog stuff, I embrace it usually, but the media aren't supposed to behave like fans. It literally feels like 15 Giants fans and a couple of actual reporters cover this team most of the time. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer @Brendan "Eh. You say potato I say potato.  That really doesn't work when you type it, does it?"


It doesn't work anyway because English and American people alike both pronounce the word potato the same way.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan @J. Smooth

Refresh my memory, what strikeout by Beltran are we talking about? 


So, wait a sec:  You spent the last hour quibbling that the media pooping on the Jets more than they poop on the Mets wasn't unseemly, and yet you don't even know which epic Mets fail moment Brendan and J.Smooth and I have been referring to as a datapoint of evidence of the unbalanced media portrayals (relative to their moments of failure) of the Jets and Mets?


That's rich.


You're arguing a position that you're now admitting you don't know the evidence of.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You don't know this and you want to tell me about who is more embarrassing? 

Brendan
Brendan

@J. Smooth Talk about the highest of highs to the lowest of lows. I lost my mind on that Endy catch unlike I've ever lost it watching a sporting event. People thought I had gotten stabbed or something. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Brendan

And we're trying to explain why the past 17 years means that it SHOULDN'T have to do with anything more than that.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

If only Rich Cimini blogged for the Mets, then we could relive Carlos Beltran's looking Strike 3 as one of the most memorable moments in Mets history.

Brendan
Brendan

@jsnooka The Jets are an above-average franchise since 2000. 


Since 2000, the Mets have had 8 losing seasons (on their way to 9), two EPIC collapses (history book stuff), and one playoff appearance. It's been a horrible 14 years for the Mets, with one fun playoff run that also ended in heartbreak. The Jets have nothing on the Mets in terms of embarrassment since the turn of the century. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se

And all that stuff happened more than 20 years ago.


In the 17 years since the end of the Rich Kotite era, the Jets are 142-130 (.522) with seven playoff appearances, five double-digit-wins seasons, only three losing records, three AFC Championship Game appearances, numerous Pro-Bowl players, and a Hall of Famer.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "What do you think rooting for the Leon Hess NY Jets was like?"


I know it was terrible, which is part of the reason I hate people's "Woody is a terrible owner!" arguments. They're either willfully or blissfully ignorant to Hess' reign of terror. 


I'm not here to discuss Jet history that we all know. You really are missing Reefer's point by citing all these historical stats. It's not about who has done more in 50 years, it's who has done more lately. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan @J. Smooth 

 well, another offseason of disrespect continues. Sometimes i think the media thinks the Jets start with an M, and vice versa. I'll never understand why the Mets get more respect then the Jets. 

Please show me where in Reefers' comment any mention of Carlos beltran striking out is mentioned? This is the comment I responded to.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You can't answer a simple question?

I'm sure if I asked you about a situation that a Yankee failed to come through in, you probably wouldn't know either.

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

@Brendan @a57se The Mets and Jets are in a similar boat. Both have young talent that should be around for a while. The difference is that I actually have confidence in the Jets management's ability to actually build a contending team, whereas I have no confidence in that of the Mets.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan 

I agree with you that it shouldn't be that way...

people shouldn't  kill other people, people shouldn't be prejudiced, people shouldn't do lots of things that they do...

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

What was the main topic of conversation when Rex was hired?

Changing the culture of the "Same Old Jets"...where do you think that came from?


I agree with you guys that the past 14 years with Woody as the owner have been far better than when Hess owned the team but the "Same Old Jets" meme started way before that.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Is that what it is about for the media?

The Jets history colors the medias' bias...just like the Mets history and the Yankees history.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The difference being I wouldn't spend an hour telling Yankees fans that I know more about their team than they do. 


If you seriously need someone to tell you what "Carlos Beltran's K" means, that's fine, but don't act like an expert on the Mets if you can't recognize one of the most famous plays in the team's history by a mention like that. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

And the past 17 years should have put to rest the "Same Old Jets" because, clearly, a 142-130 record with seven playoff appearances and three AFCCG appearances means this is not the Same Old Jets.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's not the conversation we were having, that's the one you're apparently having. 


We are having a conversation about how, despite being much more respectable on the field of play than their former roommates (the Mets), the Jets receive much more brutal and unfair media coverage. 


Talking about what happened 40 years ago doesn't have any part in our discussion, but maybe it does in yours. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


"Is that what it is about for the media?"


Is this rhetorical? In case it isn't...yes, that is what it is about for the media. 


"The Jets history colors the medias' bias"


That's why in 2009 and 2010 they were so nice and positive, right? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Please show me where I said I know more about your team then you do?


tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @a57se

And I'm a Yankee fan, and I knew it.


Perhaps a57se just isn't as worldly and knowledgable as he thinks he is.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

but it didn't and to the media, the Jets are still a joke of a franchise...

Their reputation precedes them and is very difficult to shake...Look at the Cubs in baseball, they won't shake the 'lovable loser' label until they win a World Series.

The Red Sox couldn't shake the 'curse' until they finally won...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan


Please show me where I said I know more about your team then you do?


How about earlier in this very f#$%$ing conversation, where you said, AND I QUOTE:


Maybe my view of the Mets is a little more objective?



tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

but it didn't and to the media, the Jets are still a joke of a franchise...


... and that's wrong.  You do agree that that's wrong, don't you?   Because that's all that Reefer, Brendan, and I have been saying.


That the Jets were a perennial loser that was treated by the media as a perennial loser, and now they're no longer a perennial loser but still get treated like a perennial loser, in defiance of the actual facts.


That the media treats the Jets like a joke of a franchise, even though we're not a joke of a franchise anymore.


That's messed up.


a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan 

Are you really that stupid???

Since when does being 'more objective' mean being more informed???


Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 "That's not saying I think I know more than him." 


This is a boring game, I'm bowing out. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Yes, I agree that the medias portrayal of the Jets is dumb and mostly uninformed.

That's life.

The media's portrayal of numerous teams has been ridiculous over the time I've been following sports.

Including their portrayal of the Cowboys and the Steelers and the Pats.

Bill Parcells is another example of media stupidity.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

So, in summation:


You agree with what we've been saying but want to argue against it anyway, because you're a __________.


(Fill in the blank however you like, it doesn't matter, I don't care.)

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan 

Objective means the following:

1. (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

That is what I was saying. Brendans' being a fan and his emotional tie to the Mets might be clouding his perspective and me having NO emotional involvement with the Mets might just have a better perspective on it since I could be more OBJECTIVE.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And it's not SINCE YOU CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER CARLOS BELTRAN LOOKING AT A CALLED THIRD STRIKE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE 9TH INNING IN GAME 7 OF THE 2006 NLCS. 


So stop. Just stop. You are not an informed opinion for this discussion, you alter between ignoring the Mets and making fun of them, you are not objective towards them in the least (and anyone who has gone into the chat can likely verify this). Just stop. There will surely be other topics you actually know something about that will provide an outlet for you to continue being the complete misery that you are, but this isn't one of them. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Brendan


1. (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.


And you don't know the facts, hence, your ability to be objective is severely compromised.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Brendan


If you are ill-informed, you cannot be more objective.  


If you think that Death Panels are real, you cannot speak objectively about the ACA.  If you think that 9/11 was an inside job, you cannot speak objectively about foreign policy.  If you think that "the body has ways to shut down" pregnancies arising from "legitimate rape", you cannot speak objectively about women's health issues.


You do not understand the English Language if you realistically think you can be "more objective" about a topic while simultaneously being more ignorant as to the facts pertaining to a topic than others.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan

What does it mean to be more objective than someone else???


To be more informed.


Can you be more objective than someone while being less informed than they are?  No, you cannot.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I don't give a eff about the 2006 NLCS...that has nothing to do with the media's treatment of the Jets vs. the Mets.


Edit:

You denigrate the Mets far more than I ever have...as a matter of fact, there is no one on the Jets Blog who speaks so poorly about the Jets as you do about your beloved Mets...Are you sure you are really a fan?

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @Brendan 

Because I don't know what game they are talking about where Beltran struck out???

That's ludicrous.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se WAIT. You, a57se, the guy who craps on the Jets more than anyone, just asked if I'm a real fan for being critical of the Mets? That's incredibly rich. 


Keep swinging at shadows, Jasper, you're not proving a single point with all this. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Brendan

I don't give a eff about the 2006 NLCS...that has nothing to do with the media's treatment of the Jets vs. the Mets. 


This statement could not possibly make less sense.


tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @Brendan

Yes, because you don't know what game they are talking about where Beltran struck out.


Not knowing that shows an ALARMING lack of historical knowledge vis-a-vis the Mets' struggles in the past decade.


I'm a Yankee fan like you, and I knew INSTANTLY about the Beltran strike 3.  in fact, I BROUGHT IT UP.


You cannot speak objectively about something you do not have knowledge of, and you clearly do not have the requisite knowledge to be able to form a coherent, objective opinion on this matter.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

i don't 'crap' on the Jets...I crap on your Kool Aid mentality that you obviously don't have with the Mets anymore...

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes you do, that's not even up for debate. You crap on them daily. 


The fact that you question my fanhood of a team that's EXPONENTIALLY worse than the Mets since the turn of the century for being critical of it is laughable. You, sir, are laughable.