Daily Links: Slight return

  • Jets forecast: “It took a lot of luck to be an also-ran” [NFL.com]
  • Looking at potential free agency return man options for Jets, Giants [Star Ledger]
  • Slim pickings in terms of veteran QBs [PFT]
  • Longform article on the Sack Exchange [GGN]
  • Marvin Jones on the Jets’ chances next year [Jets Official Site]



106 comments
a57se
a57se

If Anthony Barr or Khalil Mack fall to us at 18 while Watkins, Evans are already taken, who's biting?

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

And Jarvis Landry > Odell Beckam

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

I think jets are either going to go defense or take Jace Amaro. Production > Potential

a57se
a57se

To demonstrate how early it is in the Draft season i just looked at two Mocks and the first one had us trading our 1st and 2nd round picks to move up to 8 and select Mike Evans. The second Mock had us selecting Evans at 18.........:)

The third one I looked at had us taking Beckham Jr....at least there is one accurate Mock out there!

harold
harold

I take Mack, right now.  But haven't much watched tape on Barr (I think one game)because I expect him to be long gone.  Did watch some Mack because he is a small school prospect who could drop if he doesn't test off the charts.

Brendan
Brendan

@JCuratola3  I spent yesterday watching hours of film on receivers/tight ends. Amaro was the least impressive out of everyone I watched, to be completely honest. 


Edit: And don't listen to 57, I don't know why he thinks I was a "huge" Amaro fan, I didn't even speak on him since the end of the season. 

a57se
a57se

@JCuratola3  

Based on that logic, should we take Derek Carr at 18 if he falls to us? He had prolific production.


1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se  I could be wrong, but I don't think that it is Idzik's style (Tanny-2.0) to start trading picks to move up.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se  I think some of the reason for Mike Evans being mocked up and down is because teams are waiting to find out how fast he runs at the Combine.  A good time and I don't think he will be available at 18.  A  so-so time may still get him drafted before 18. 

I think he would be a great choice for the Jets.  I wouldn't want to give up a second rd. pick though.   Maybe the second third rd. pick could move us up to Chicago's spot at 14. 

a57se
a57se

@Marcus Armstrong

He is serious...... 

I do like Landry though and if for some reason we can't get a WR early, i would take him in the Third....

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Brendan  I'm surprised to hear you say that. He's the TE I prefer in the early rounds. Soft hands, good ball skills.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

You were such a huge Amaro fan a few weeks ago.....amazing what can happen after a little film watching!

Brendan
Brendan

@1969JAN12th Idzik seems to look for value, if he gets a trade offer he sees as a net-positive for the value of the picks he's trading away, I think he'd do it. 

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se 

I have been the same way about Evans......up and down with my opinion on him. I think he'd be a perfect fit in Pittsburgh with Rapistbergers' penchant for keeping plays alive and freelancing. I don't see Evans as a precision route runner so I don't know how well he would project into our offense........

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude Would you feel better about giving up a 2nd rounder if you had extra picks in rounds 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 (4-7 being compensatory)? Or something along those lines? 

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Cain usually fights right around 240, so that'd basically mean he would be fighting a light heavyweight at the same weight he fights all heavyweights, so that'd be a big advantage for him. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Apparently Jones is walking around at about 230lbs and wouold want to fight Cain at about 240. He would also have a 7.5 inch reach advantage on Cain. I just dont think Jones could avoid the takedown though and would eventually get smashed on the bottom. As you say though very interesting match up.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi That's interesting. Jones could bulk up if he needed to, but so could Cain. I think both are fighting at their ideal weights, and Jones has a significant height/reach advantage. Cain would have a wrestling advantage, so it'd probably come down to whether Cain could weather Jones' distance-fighting and get him up against the cage. 


Basically, in my mind, it'd come down to whether Jones can stop Cain from moving forward, and if Cain can get by Jones' length. Very interesting match-up, the "bigger" guy is shorter in height and length...I think if he's 100% healthy, Cain would be very tough for Jones. I give the slight edge to Cain, I think. 

levi
levi

@Brendan  Hey Brendan I was discussing MMA with a friend and Jon Jones says Weidman doesnt deserve a super fight (I tend to agree)with him but hes open to fighting Cain. I think Cain wins hands down, my buddy said Jones. Who ya got?

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I'm seriously trying to make an effort to not flood the blog with the typical stupid arguments. No conversation, no matter how innocent, is off limits for 57's ire, so I just don't want to get into anything with him. I'm sure I'll break, I always do, but for the most part it'll keep things at least readable down in the comments. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Just when you think youre out he pulled you back in   :)

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  You are a) insinuating my first opinion wasn't based on film (it was), b) acting like I'm now just joining the part because I watched film (I already had watched film) and c) I don't feel like pretending we're buddy-buddy when you're a match-strike away from flying off the handle. I'm not pretending we get along just long enough for the next fight to start. 


Your assistance in radio silence would be appreciated. Stop pestering me and following me around, it's better for everyone here if we just don't discuss things. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I posted a simple comment about how watching film can change your mind...you made a mountain out of that mole hill.

A simple "Yeah, watching film helps" would have sufficed.

Or even better, Simply ignore it like you keep saying you are doing.....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What point are you making? What relevance did this have to my comment to Joe about how I disagree about Amaro? 


The answer is none. My precursory, random ranking that you posted has no relevance. Great contribution, 57. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You had him as your Top rated TE a few weeks ago...it really isn't a big deal but it is the truth.

Now you like Ebron a lot more, nothing wrong with that either...people are allowed to change their minds...just stop acting like you didn't.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se 

Well Bent said that that may have been the case this past season and maybe that is why he was late on so many throws.

I am just as impressed with Evans physical skills as you are and would not be unhappy if we picked him......like I said, I waffle on him still. i think he is more risky than Lee or Beckham Jr. would be for our offense and a young QB because they can get separation immediately and they run precise routes.....that makes for easier throws.


bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  That would hold true for any WR if you think that's a big problem for Geno.   Evans size radius would make accuracy issues less of a problem for Evans,  not more.

I was envisioning some balls that Evans could high point which I think he's better at than a lot of the other WR's coming into the NFL.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se 

Yeah but if he is not running precise routes, Geno may grow weary of throwing him the ball because if he throws before a cut and Evans doesn't cut at the right time....pick sixes can result.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  I think he would be great with Geno who I think would benefit from somebody who can out physical a lot of the CB's especially in the red zone.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude Yeah, if he gets into the 4.4's, he's definitely going to push towards the top-10. A mid 4.5's probably pushes him close to the 18th pick. I'm rooting for 4.5's. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude   That would be sweet.  

If he runs a great time at the Combine,  he might go in the top ten as well.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude At that point you're looking at trading the Tampa 1st rounder, but I would still do that for Evans. 


At that point you would have spun Revis off for Richardson and part of Mike Evans, which would be pretty good for a guy who would have left you high-and-dry anyway. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude  Yeah I know.  I don't think he gets out of the top ten. 

Evans could get to 14,  and if all it took were our second pick in the third rd,  I would consider it strongly.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude If you want Watkins, you'll need to give up more than just your first two picks, probably. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude  If I was giving up a second rounder,  I would prefer Watkins. 

I hate the idea of giving up a second rounder though because I feel like you should be able to get a real good player there.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Brendan @Marcus Armstrong  I think Evans is more the kind of player that a team falls in love with than Sammy (And yes, I think they'll, on average, get very similar grades, with huge variance between teams).

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong Wait, seriously? You think Sammy starts tumbling? Or do you think teams already have Sammy rated more even with Evans than "experts" do?