Daily Links: Slight return

  • Jets forecast: “It took a lot of luck to be an also-ran” [NFL.com]
  • Looking at potential free agency return man options for Jets, Giants [Star Ledger]
  • Slim pickings in terms of veteran QBs [PFT]
  • Longform article on the Sack Exchange [GGN]
  • Marvin Jones on the Jets’ chances next year [Jets Official Site]



78 comments
JCuratola3
JCuratola3

And Jarvis Landry > Odell Beckam

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

I think jets are either going to go defense or take Jace Amaro. Production > Potential

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

I want real competition for Geno. What would it take for the Skins to trade Cousins? Would a four do it?


harold
harold

I take Mack, right now.  But haven't much watched tape on Barr (I think one game)because I expect him to be long gone.  Did watch some Mack because he is a small school prospect who could drop if he doesn't test off the charts.

Brendan
Brendan

@JCuratola3  I spent yesterday watching hours of film on receivers/tight ends. Amaro was the least impressive out of everyone I watched, to be completely honest. 


Edit: And don't listen to 57, I don't know why he thinks I was a "huge" Amaro fan, I didn't even speak on him since the end of the season. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@a57se  I could be wrong, but I don't think that it is Idzik's style (Tanny-2.0) to start trading picks to move up.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se  I think some of the reason for Mike Evans being mocked up and down is because teams are waiting to find out how fast he runs at the Combine.  A good time and I don't think he will be available at 18.  A  so-so time may still get him drafted before 18. 

I think he would be a great choice for the Jets.  I wouldn't want to give up a second rd. pick though.   Maybe the second third rd. pick could move us up to Chicago's spot at 14. 

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@johnnyl65

I don't think Idzik will be giving up draft choices for a QB (back-up ?)...he will follow the Seahawks model....when they signed Matt Flynn.

"If it happens, it happens," Schneider (Seahawks-GM)said at February's scouting combine of Seattle's pressing need for an elite quarterback. "You can put yourself in a tough situation if you just go all-in with a guy that you feel pressured to take. You can end up setting your organization back. ... I'm talking about giving up draft choices to go get somebody or guaranteeing somebody a ton of money that you're not quite sure is the guy that's going to get you over that hump. If you do that, then you can set your organization back. It happened to us in Green Bay at a different position. We got in a situation where it just got jammed up. You overdrafted at one position then you overpay at the same position. It will jack you up."

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Brendan  I'm surprised to hear you say that. He's the TE I prefer in the early rounds. Soft hands, good ball skills.

Brendan
Brendan

@1969JAN12th Idzik seems to look for value, if he gets a trade offer he sees as a net-positive for the value of the picks he's trading away, I think he'd do it. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude Would you feel better about giving up a 2nd rounder if you had extra picks in rounds 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 (4-7 being compensatory)? Or something along those lines? 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Marcus Armstrong @johnnyl65  Strong arm,can command a huddle,had a down year last year but I don't know if the down year is his age showing or if the best he would do here is be a mentor.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65  I think he is. Just like you were telling me last off season Foles wasn't worth a fifth rd. pick. You pick who you think is a good choice and I'll stick with my choices.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi Cain usually fights right around 240, so that'd basically mean he would be fighting a light heavyweight at the same weight he fights all heavyweights, so that'd be a big advantage for him. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Apparently Jones is walking around at about 230lbs and wouold want to fight Cain at about 240. He would also have a 7.5 inch reach advantage on Cain. I just dont think Jones could avoid the takedown though and would eventually get smashed on the bottom. As you say though very interesting match up.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi That's interesting. Jones could bulk up if he needed to, but so could Cain. I think both are fighting at their ideal weights, and Jones has a significant height/reach advantage. Cain would have a wrestling advantage, so it'd probably come down to whether Cain could weather Jones' distance-fighting and get him up against the cage. 


Basically, in my mind, it'd come down to whether Jones can stop Cain from moving forward, and if Cain can get by Jones' length. Very interesting match-up, the "bigger" guy is shorter in height and length...I think if he's 100% healthy, Cain would be very tough for Jones. I give the slight edge to Cain, I think. 

levi
levi

@Brendan  Hey Brendan I was discussing MMA with a friend and Jon Jones says Weidman doesnt deserve a super fight (I tend to agree)with him but hes open to fighting Cain. I think Cain wins hands down, my buddy said Jones. Who ya got?

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I'm seriously trying to make an effort to not flood the blog with the typical stupid arguments. No conversation, no matter how innocent, is off limits for 57's ire, so I just don't want to get into anything with him. I'm sure I'll break, I always do, but for the most part it'll keep things at least readable down in the comments. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Just when you think youre out he pulled you back in   :)

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  You are a) insinuating my first opinion wasn't based on film (it was), b) acting like I'm now just joining the part because I watched film (I already had watched film) and c) I don't feel like pretending we're buddy-buddy when you're a match-strike away from flying off the handle. I'm not pretending we get along just long enough for the next fight to start. 


Your assistance in radio silence would be appreciated. Stop pestering me and following me around, it's better for everyone here if we just don't discuss things. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What point are you making? What relevance did this have to my comment to Joe about how I disagree about Amaro? 


The answer is none. My precursory, random ranking that you posted has no relevance. Great contribution, 57. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  That would hold true for any WR if you think that's a big problem for Geno.   Evans size radius would make accuracy issues less of a problem for Evans,  not more.

I was envisioning some balls that Evans could high point which I think he's better at than a lot of the other WR's coming into the NFL.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  I think he would be great with Geno who I think would benefit from somebody who can out physical a lot of the CB's especially in the red zone.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude Yeah, if he gets into the 4.4's, he's definitely going to push towards the top-10. A mid 4.5's probably pushes him close to the 18th pick. I'm rooting for 4.5's. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude   That would be sweet.  

If he runs a great time at the Combine,  he might go in the top ten as well.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude At that point you're looking at trading the Tampa 1st rounder, but I would still do that for Evans. 


At that point you would have spun Revis off for Richardson and part of Mike Evans, which would be pretty good for a guy who would have left you high-and-dry anyway. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude  Yeah I know.  I don't think he gets out of the top ten. 

Evans could get to 14,  and if all it took were our second pick in the third rd,  I would consider it strongly.

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude If you want Watkins, you'll need to give up more than just your first two picks, probably. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude  If I was giving up a second rounder,  I would prefer Watkins. 

I hate the idea of giving up a second rounder though because I feel like you should be able to get a real good player there.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Brendan @Marcus Armstrong  I think Evans is more the kind of player that a team falls in love with than Sammy (And yes, I think they'll, on average, get very similar grades, with huge variance between teams).

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong Wait, seriously? You think Sammy starts tumbling? Or do you think teams already have Sammy rated more even with Evans than "experts" do? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I agree, I just wonder if he has one last "I can start in this league!" season in him. 

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 I'd offer them a 5th rounder or later, and see if they bit. Otherwise? No thank you. I think Cousins is a solid player, but as a full-time starter he'd start to get exposed like every other young QB (which started to happen last year). 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@levi @a57se  I'm saying he's young,talented,shown himself to be capable of competing for the starting job. Geno also has those same capabilities but can he take the next step to consistency if not you have another young talent who possibly can. As a Jets fan I'm tired of bringing in veterans who are up in age and finishing their careers. I want a young QB who is going to develop into a 10 + year starter for us and I don't care what the name on his jersey is .

levi
levi

@a57se My apologies. You misread what he said then followed up with your opinion/logic not necessarily everyone elses. I cant speak for Jonny but I wouldnt expect Cousins to beat out Geno but he would be the best competition to do so and therefore would make a good back up.

levi
levi

@a57se You cant put words in peoples mouths then back it up with your opinion.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @johnnyl65  I have watched his games and he has a live arm and controls the huddle well and has good field awareness. His throws are timely and he's a nice scrambler. I didn't say he would be better or worse I said I see him as real competition.

levi
levi

@johnnyl65 I guess that would be a vote of confidence for him but firing Shanahan does the same thing without giving up their back up QB. But hey who knows wth Snyder will do.

levi
levi

@a57se I believe his post says "competition" not "a better option".

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@levi @johnnyl65  Maybe but they just might trade him to show they are committed to RGIII after Shanahan messed with him last year.

levi
levi

@johnnyl65 I'd like Cousins but I dont think the Skins let him go because of RGlll style he will always be an injury risk. Im actually not sure he ever got over the last injury.