Daily Links: Slow news day

  • Weakness at CB “will be exploited” in 2014 [Rant Sports]
  • Recapping the “Town Hall” event [The Jet Press]
  • GGN readers discuss their favorite Jets memories [Gang Green Nation]
  • Fan wants to blast Sanchez jersey into space [NFL.com]
  • A new era for rookie contract negotiations [MMQB]



58 comments
Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Personally, I think we should just embrace our warts. Until we prove otherwise, we're the butt fumbles. I was there that night and that makes me a butt fumble, too. And you know what? I'm also a fake spike victim.... 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I don't get how the Jets are weak at CB....This makes no sense to me.....Millner was a top 10 overall pick in the 2013 draft who looked great in December and now knows the defense. The guy's talent is there. Patterson when healthy is very good......and the Jets have Pryor now and good depth at CB......I am NOT worried about the secondary at all



This season comes down to Geno Smith limiting his mistakes (turnovers)......Vick also.......If the Jets do this they will be in the playoffs

jaygo
jaygo

"Gino and the Jets" running out of the 2 hole in the 6th at Belmont today.  Got a chance at 8-1 on the morning line.

harvlis
harvlis

I think McDougle will step in and impress, out of the gate. CB will be fine. O Line is my ?

blackwood1
blackwood1

We have an improved running attack which will help us control the clock, we also have one of the best young D-lines in football & Antwan Barnes will be back & remind people of what a pass rush threat he was before he hurt himself vs the Falcons. The young secondary will be improved & helped by Barnes return along with what I believe will be a stud at safety.


Whoever wins the QB spot just needs to make the most of his over the middle weapons & stay within himself, Geno threw awful passes last season just sickening passes & Vick is known to make a foolish pass himself here & there. So whoever ends up starting just needs to stay within the program & not over do it.

dabronx
dabronx

The CB situation is overblown. Cromartie was atrocious last year:


"According to Pro Football Focus, he gave up 937 yards and seven touchdowns -- both third-worst in the league -- and allowed passers throwing into his coverage to post a 100.7 quarterback rating. All-in-all, he graded out as the 103rd-ranked cornerback (out of 110) at Pro Football Focus."

I don't think we'll have elite CB play. Our CB are young and will give up some big plays. Milliner has the upside to be elite. We'll see about McDougle. However, can't do much worse than Cro did last season. We were 22nd in passing defense last year. With Cro out and Pryor over the top I believe that will improve. Additionally, we were second to last in passing offense last year. With them addition of Breno (who was rated as a better pass and run blocker than Howard per PFF) CJ (MM will utilize extensively as a catching RB), Decker, and Amaro that will also improve. Unfortunately we have a tough schedule. Unless the team really gets together I can't see anything better than a 10-6 season (at best).

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

The more I think about this the more amazing it is. Geno who came from a simple college offense and had to learn an entire pro system as a raw rookie with no supporting cast, and what little he did have was always hurt and off the field, still managed a .500 season and the last 4 games had the second best qb rating in the entire league behind Peyton Manning! Aside from that, the other day a poster had clips of the Jets which showed many shots of Geno in action and what I noticed and stood out aside from his progression at the end of the season, is that he does something that cant be taught.... even when he knows he will be be crushed, he stands and delivers! Also, when the pocket breakdowns, he is now using his legs more to turn the play into positive yards and the great thing is, is that he slides and runs out of bounds and doesn't take unnecessary punishment like other scrambling QBs. Call me overly optimistic, but I see something special in him. I have seen solid vets stumble who had no supporting cast around them, and when you look at what this kid did considering all the circumstances and being thrown into the fire, you have to be really impressed. I can't wait to see him in action this season. As long as the line plays consistent, he will make a HUGE jump. 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

A big Congrats to the Rangers and their OT win last night, what a game!

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I remember Wilks citing last season that the secondary was making matters difficult for the pass rush. He stated that if they could cover wrs a little longer it would give the pass rush the time it needs but the opposing wrs were not covered well enough and it affected the pass rush. I know in Rex's system top CB play is a must, that is what baffled me on why Idzik didn't go after a proven top notch vet in FAcy, but I am sure they have their reasoning.

levi
levi

I think the CB weakness thing is overblown. Milliner will be ok he isnt the finished product but will continue to improve. Hank told me Patterson is good and we are lucky to get him so Im going with that. I mean who knows Miami players better than Hank?

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Can Walls be the man? I admit, I am a little unsettled on our CB situation with Milliner still learning and the question mark on the other side, but if Milliner can continue from where he left off and show why he was an early 1st round pick, that would be huge. We have a lot of depth at CB, so if Patterson or Walls can become a bonifide starter opposite Milliner we will be ok. I know there are serious questions in this area, but it just might turn out fine. Wilson is solid in the slot and on long passing downs, and we do have some depth, so if Walls can rise to the occasion, and he did show some promise filling in for Dee last season, Patterson can be utilized in packages in the slot or the other way around with Walls. Sure, I would have liked a solid vet to be acquired in last Facy but that ship has sailed and now we have to hope for the best. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2075490-who-will-win-the-new-york-jets-2nd-cornerback-battle

williamg1
williamg1

@bradysucks I'm with you. I think Walls and Lankster are even marginal starters (which means they're solid depth). 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@harvlis How many 3rd round CBs do you know that just hit the ground running their first season from the getgo? Even the TOP 1ST rounders need time as we seen with Milliner. If what you say is true, it will be like winning the lottery! He could be a gem, but still will need plenty of time.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 "the last 4 games had the second best qb rating in the entire league behind Peyton Manning!"


No he didn't.  His rating for those games was 83.6 - certainly respectable by his own standards, but nowhere near the top of the league.


He was 2nd in ESPN's QBR but that's a totally different statistic which includes subjectivity.


If we're going to use a subjective statistic, why not use PFF's grades?  At least they're transparent about how they calculate these.  Geno's NFL rank over the last four games: 4th, 3rd, 22nd, 13th


However that only takes into account overall rating.  If we isolate his grades for passing only he places 10th, 8th, 22nd, 18th.


Clearly there's no way this should translate to "second best passer in the NFL behind Peyton Manning" over that span.


This leads me to realize something: It seems that ESPN's QBR takes into account runs (yes, it does: http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr ) so actually that explains why Geno was up there because he had a few TDs over that span.  Of course you could argue that an evaluation of a QB's performance should include runs, but as currently presented it's misleading to portray him as the second best passer in the league over that span.  Sorry, Rex.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 I don't recall Wilkerson throwing his teammates under the bus like this.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@levi I agree, while it is a concern and with  valid reasons, there is reasonable potential that it could turn out positive. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 Wilson, Patterson, Walls and Lankster have all displayed competence (if not better) when given an extended role.


And Ras-I Dowling might have more upside than any of them.


This might be the most overblown story of the offseason.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@williamg1 @bradysucks


I am pretty psyched about the upcoming season.....


Only very stupid people (and there are SO many of them) are going to question the Jets about not having a competitive defense that will keep them in games in 2014. Rex will be Rex and he will put a great defense on the field.


What excites me is the offense. The Jets have guys now who can score. It is pathetic that it took the team so long to get to this point but the Jets offense has finally arrived (meaning the talent has arrived). This is actually an  offense with some firepower and depth at the skill positions. 


Geno and Vick must must must protect the football.......This is a no brainer....and yet it HAS to be repeated over and over because the QB's have been so terrible for the Jets in recent years protecting the ball

harvlis
harvlis

His injury led to his draft position. He looks like a leader and an all-around force. Players like him move up quickly. Can't wait to see him do it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @harvlis Milliner is not a good example because Alabama cornerbacks always start slow due to the way Saban uses them.


As Desmond Trufant showed last year, sometimes you can step right in as a first round pick.  And even a third rounder, like Tyrann Mathieu last year, can make an immediate impact if they fit the system.


However, for a third rounder like McDougle to leapfrog the handful of players ahead of him that have all proven they can handle an extended role might be optimistic.  It would certainly be a good sign if he could, though!

Pete 57
Pete 57

So if you average those four grades he was ranked either 10 or 11 over the last 4 games. If he can be the 11th ranked QB this season the Jets will make the playoffs and go deep.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

Rex is not the only person to have said this.....glad to see you straightening this silliness out Bent.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Bent @jake100 I said I was being overly optimistic, but even you said he did show a lot of progress down the stretch, and considering all the circumstances that he faced, the arrow is definitely pointing up, so stop throwing cold water on my parade, it is very rare that I am this positive, just enjoy it, or I will start with all my CONCERNS again, lol

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@Bent @jake100

I remember something where they asked him about the play of the DBs, and wilk said something like "we all gotta do a better job and help each other out". Very vanilla comment but seeing how he's the star of the D - clearly doing HIS job well - I see how it could be construed that he was calling out the DBs. 


Well, not by a rational person, but by the NY media.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Bent @jake100 Bent, it was far from that, Wilks said it very politically correct without throwing anyone under the bus.

levi
levi

@Bent @jake100 something was said but it wasnt throwing anyone under the bus more of a "We gotta do a better job" type of thing.

a57se
a57se

@Bent

If I remember correctly, we were saying similar things last season........how deep the CB position was and how we weren't concerned with them for the upcoming season.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Bent @jake100 Believe it or not I am starting to believe that, now can drench me in some kool aid with the oline, lol All jokes aside, you very well could be right but the physics folks say not all potential energy can be converted to kinetic energy, but at least having the potential is a a good start. So in essence, I guess it looks like we have some potential and it could turn out fine but the operative word is could. This training camp will be awesome! 

maynard
maynard

@a57se @harvlis  I think everyone is minimizing the effect of Wilson who has been developing steadily, I could see times with Wilson and Milner, then in a nickel add Patterson  and get Wilson back in the slot.  then the pressure isn't too much on McDougle., but then again what do I know, I'm a Jet fan.

a57se
a57se

@harvlis 

I don't know about all that....watch the tape of his 2012 game vs. Clemson.......

levi
levi

@Hanknaples @levi They have some weapons in the pass goame so I expect a fairly balanced attack this year as long as Geno can handle it if not Vick will.

Pete 57
Pete 57

I agree. My personal minimum goal would be for the Jets QB to be ranked middle of the pack. No lower than 18. I believe with that they will make the playoffs.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pete 57 There, that's a more reasonable expectation.  I'd still be surprised but I do think the Jets could make the playoffs even without the QB being rated that high.

Bent
Bent moderator

@High$ocietyJet I didn't realize that runs were taken into account until today though, so this carries more weight that "the QBR stat is stupid" so let's ignore it, which was the crux of my previous argument.

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

57 I could have swore both and Bent have straighten this out more than once and Joey knows it.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@Bent @jake100 Got ya! I just know that with the upgraded supporting cast and a solid year under his belt with another training camp, and from the encouraging signs at the end of last season, that he will make a nice jump, but again, obviously there are other factors like the play of the oline, injuries, ect, but from his situation last year being thrown into the fire, learning a pro offense and the dearth of weapons, this year he will think he is in heaven, lol I am sticking with the kid, I like the signs that I am seeing of growth and again, the circumstances have to be considered. It was not like he had what Sanchez had his first season- a well rounded supporting cast, a #1 oline, #1 running game and #1 defense. I truly think we will see a nice jump this season barring a collapse of the oline and or major injuries on offense.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 The comment was aimed more at Rex than you.  Hence "Sorry, Rex" at the end.  


That's something Rex actually said, so you could be forgiven for repeating it.  It's misleadingly optimistic though.  Past performance has little to do with how we can expect Geno to play this year, anyway.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent It's easier via google than the search bar, if that helps.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

Ahhhh, that makes sense.

I noticed it is very difficult to find stuff on this Blog lately......especially your BGA's....

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent Can't find the comments, but apparently it was after the Miami game.

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

I'm pretty sure it was a post game press conference after one of the later losses....maybe the Buffalo game?

a57se
a57se

@levi 

  Hopefully there is a healthy balance of violence and technique.

Haha...that is a unique way to put it!

levi
levi

@Bent  I expect to see more jamming this year and just over all more aggressiveness from the secondary. I think it will produce turnovers but is also more likely to get burnt too. Hopefully there is a healthy balance of violence and technique.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @levi 

You could just provide Rex' comments on it.......he did allude to this 'confusion' during the season...

levi
levi

@Bent  I wont get into the coaches here but I would like to know what was being confused. Was it the jamming at the line?

levi
levi

@Bent @a57se How can that happen? all the coaches should be up to snuff on the game plan.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent


I'd better not, but suffice to say there was some confusion back there in the defensive backfield about exactly what the coaches wanted from them at one stage.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

  I think some level of disconnect between the coaches played a part too but they seem to have that ironed out.

Could you elaborate?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent True, but then Walls, Wilson and Lankster all performed well when they were used...they just weren't used enough.


The poor play last year was all down to Dee and Cro (although Dee turned it around and Cro had a viable excuse), not the inadequacies of any of those other players.  I think some level of disconnect between the coaches played a part too but they seem to have that ironed out.


I would hope that the decision to let Dee take his lumps will continue to pay dividends and there will be no sentiment that they can't bench a highly paid player when he's underperforming (because there is no highly paid player at this position) this time around.  I can see why they did both of those things, but it definitely hurt the team in the short term.

levi
levi

@a57se @Bent I think most of us knew Milliner would struggle but nobody saw Cro's horrible play coming. I honestly believe (in hindsight) they should of let Walls or Lankster take his place.