Daily Links: Some Mocks





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John C
John C

So i'm looking at the highlight reals for the top ranked WR's according to Drafttek... Jarvis Landry is the guy I want. 

Idzik went to the LSU/Miss game a few months back, and I think this guy might be the reason. Watch his highlight real. From what I saw, he is the most surehanded wr of the group. 

If we get him in the second round (or whoever gets him)...WATCH OUT

ww85
ww85

Everyone has us picking a TE in round 1. I agree, but anyone have a better idea?

ww85
ww85

Deadspin has the story. Seems like the biggest non event. Geno cheated on his GF & there's a picture of an angry "face". The NYJ "scandals" don't even register compared to the Pats, Steelers, ETC.

Vincent Winner
Vincent Winner

Anyone think there is a chance Jordan Matthews falls to us in the 2nd round?  He's pretty all over the place in mocks that I've seen.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Can't even have a hook up now a days lol but hey atleast geno's online girlfriend is real.

nesboogie
nesboogie

Do we pass on Marqise Lee though? Dude is like a mini Antonio Brown.

Brendan
Brendan

@ww85 WR. OLB. S. 


I think people are just saying TE because they assume the top three WR's will all be off the board and the Jets need talented receiver-types. 

John C
John C

@a57se @John C do you think thats what idzik was scoping out at the game he went to? Shefter thought he was checking mittenburger...you want that guy too?

John C
John C

@a57se I agree completely on Landry, I just posted about him on this page, but that dude can catch almost anything. I didnt get to see him play in the game this past weekend though.

Mike Evans looked like a basketcase. I don't think Idzik wants to build a young team with guys like that. I'm not sure how that effected other organizations evaluated him, but I think it would factor into the jets evaluation. Geno's young, i dont think they're giong to want to give him a wr corps with anybody like that

ww85
ww85

 @ww85 Yeah, but I think maybe we need a stud TE more than WR? I don't think Byrd wants to stay in Buffalo? I bet he'd come to NY on a discount.

John C
John C

@a57se @John C This draft will be interesting for the jets because it's a different scouting team for the jets. Idzik dumped tannenbaum's guys right after the draft last year if I'm not mistaken

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You're welcome to, it won't make the fact I didn't read it any less true, though. 

Pat d
Pat d

a57 you are right. The team interviews is what is most important.

jma020
jma020

@a57se @Brendan I wouldn't want him.  I think he has great size and hands but has difficulty creating separation.  We already have that in David Nelson,  I'd rather take one of the tight ends.  Watkins> Lee> Amaro> Ebron> Austin Jenkins > Evans. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @Marcus Armstrong Not sure. Nobody notable, though… Auburn's secondary is very meh. I was just referencing the play from a raw "this is how fast he runs a straight line" standpoint.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You know better than anyone I don't think anything that clown says carries any value. I don't even go there anymore, but thank you for just minimizing a well thought-out and fair comment to nothing in order to dismiss it. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, I have watched a lot of tape on Evans, mainly because I've seen a lot of Watkins already and I am going to move on to Lee next. The fact that you think a disagreement of opinion is an insult proves you're too sensitive. Also, using "I've read SO MANY THINGS!!!" as a reason you're right is just sad, man. Come on. 


Vincent Jackson is a possession receiver? Because I described Evans as another VJ. If that's a possession receiver, than fine, that's what I want. 


I agree with Watkins being the best receiving prospect, he is an all-around type of receiver that will likely develop into a great pro. I'm not bothering with him anymore because it's almost a certainty he's long gone by the 18th pick. And was it a better idea to take deep threat Stephen Hill over possession-type Alshon Jeffrey? I think not. You draft the best players not the specific skilled ones. Evans would immediately improve the red zone offense, extend possessions and also be used on early downs for cheap yards to give the team manageable 2nd/3rd downs. That's the type of receiver the team doesn't have, unless you think Admiral Nelson is all the team needs in this type of player moving forward. 


"Almost always" is not a reason to do anything, ever. You create a big board, you draft based on it, you don't draft because historically the crappy teams that are in the top-10 every year keep drafting specific players, landing them back in the top-10 all the time. Al Davis taking a speed receiver every year in the top-10 doesn't mean the Jets should. Take the best player, if Idzik & Co. think Evans will suck, then pick someone else, but don't not pick someone because he's "just" a possession receiver. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Jesus H. Christ, dude. Without fail you always do this. I just disagreed with you, what is your malfunction? 


You're "not sure" about him, but your reasons for not being sure seem flimsy, is that a personal attack or something? Why are you flipping out? 


You didn't say you don't like him, you just pump up lesser players for the sake of knocking Evans down a bit. 


The ability to separate is a valid concern if you're drafting a deep threat or a guy to work in space, but Evans is a big receiver you'd be using to out-muscle DB's over the middle and for intermediate zones over the top. He doesn't have to run past people, he can just go over top of them at will. This is what Hill should be doing, but hasn't developed that skill yet. 


So a young, physically fit college beast reminds you of a guy coming out of jail who hadn't done anything outside of a cellblock for 2 years? It definitely doesn't sound like you're biased against the kid, you're right. 


Try not to be so sensitive, I'm disagreeing with your idea, not questioning you as a man or something. 

John C
John C

@Brendan @a57se I felt that Manziels success in the second half without evans was telling the other night. Brendan makes a good point with the impact of good QB play

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And the best unofficial time Evans has had is 4.47, I think you're ignoring the obvious: VJ is the best comparison for Evans. 


I don't get what your point about a broken-down just-out-of-jail Plax is, that's just confusing. 


I know you don't like Evans, but these criticisms are pretty lacking. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @Brendan And this is where I point out that Stedman Bailey plays a lot like that VJax prototype… He was just a lot smaller.


Also, just watched Evans v. Auburn on DraftBreakdown. Long TD looked like 4.4 speed. It's long speed, but it's there.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The majority of VJ's catches are in traffic and he simply out-muscles the DB's. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Yep. Hands are so, so strong. Makes contested catches, understands how to use his body to catch over DBs… Basically, he's Vincent Jackson.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @John C Pitt has a pretty clear prototype as far as WRs go… They like their 3rd round, 5'11"-6'1" speedsters. Evans does not fit that mold.


Evans doesn't get separation, that's true, but separation isn't his game. He doesn't need it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Because Pittsburgh is never wrong about early-round WR's: please see Sweed, Limas. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If it's game tape, Evans is the top WR, no? 


Isn't his speed one of the only reasons (attitude the potential other one) teams would knock him down their boards? 

John C
John C

@Marcus Armstrong @Brendan So you guys are on board with Evans, if he's the BPA? Regardless of his interviews or immaturity.

I just see that as a very important element in how we build the team, and I think that will factor into idzik's decision as well

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He's run unofficial 40's before. He can get as high as mid-4.4's, or as low as low-4.6's. Everything I'm reading says his expected time will be 4.5's, so if he comes in as expected he's probably sitting there at 18, if he runs something in the high-4.4's I bet he's gone. 

John C
John C

@Brendan @a57se @John C haha, yeah those measurables where what i was what i had in mind. 

Did they bench him in the second half of that bowl game? He was non existent after Manziel got in his face

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se @John C He's a 6'5" 230 pound monster and if he runs in the 4.4's he'll have a very high stock. 


Your height/width are measurables, and if he can get his 40 time into the mid-to-high 4.4's, he's a lock for a top-15 pick. 

John C
John C

@a57se @Brendan Holmes claims that he is willing to take a big cut just to stay in NY, but the dude is cancer in the locker room. Why would we get rid of holmes, then bring in a guy like evans? From a lockerroom standpoint, Id be hesitant to make the move on him.

But measurables will make him tough to pass on. 


Overall, something about this guy just does not sit right with me...maybe because he reminds me of aaron hernandez

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I'm not entertaining that possibility because I will jinx it, but if the Billdos are dumb enough to let him walk, the Jets should back a dumptruck of money to his house and dump it on his front lawn. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @Marcus Armstrong Oh, sure. There's plenty more to the eval. Evans obviously has more character concerns. Benjamin might have more upside due to that speed. I'd put Evans ahead in route running, though neither truly excel at polished routes (I do think Evans has a more natural feel for how to set up the DB, however). 

John C
John C

@Marcus Armstrong @a57se I worry about Benjamin's intelligence.  He stayed back in like 7th and 9th grade. I listened to his interview once, not incredible bright. I just dont know how much that will effect his success in the nfl. 

No doubt the guy's ceiling is high, if he gets it mentally, he'll be really good


Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se Interesting. I see Benjamin as a notch below Evans in ball skills, and a couple notches below him in hands. Definitely is faster, though. Probably equal on body control, but obviously Evans is stronger and has a better understanding of how to use his body vs. DBs.