Daily Links: Some Mocks

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John C
John C

So i'm looking at the highlight reals for the top ranked WR's according to Drafttek... Jarvis Landry is the guy I want. 

Idzik went to the LSU/Miss game a few months back, and I think this guy might be the reason. Watch his highlight real. From what I saw, he is the most surehanded wr of the group. 

If we get him in the second round (or whoever gets him)...WATCH OUT

a57se
a57se

So the guys who stood out to me yesterday (and NY EVE) watching the bowl Games were as follows:


Jamison Crowder WR of Duke; Little fella with lotsa of moxie. Loved the block he threw on the TD run where he motioned to the runner to go this way then destroyed the defender! He is small but very quick and looks like a potential returner/Slot WR/special team ace.


Beckham Jr. and Landry WR's of LSU. If only these guys had a real QB throwing to them..........


Blake Bortles QB, this guy is very inconsistent with his throws.......his receivers needed to be acrobats on some of his passes. I don't see how anyone would consider him a top pick right now unless they just fell in love with his measurables.

ww85
ww85

Everyone has us picking a TE in round 1. I agree, but anyone have a better idea?

a57se
a57se

@John C 

I'd take both the LSU WR's if they are available!

a57se
a57se

I hit enter before I was done!!!


Desmond King, CB, was really impressive for Iowa, too bad he is just a freshman!


Connor Shaw, QB, was impressive  for South Carolina though he doesn't get much attention from the media...


Connor Cook, QB, was the most impressive QB not named Manziel in these bowl games.


Mike Evans, WR, was an impressive a--hole apparently! I wonder how that will affect his draft stock.


Brendan
Brendan

@ww85 WR. OLB. S. 


I think people are just saying TE because they assume the top three WR's will all be off the board and the Jets need talented receiver-types. 

John C
John C

@a57se @John C do you think thats what idzik was scoping out at the game he went to? Shefter thought he was checking mittenburger...you want that guy too?

John C
John C

@a57se I agree completely on Landry, I just posted about him on this page, but that dude can catch almost anything. I didnt get to see him play in the game this past weekend though.

Mike Evans looked like a basketcase. I don't think Idzik wants to build a young team with guys like that. I'm not sure how that effected other organizations evaluated him, but I think it would factor into the jets evaluation. Geno's young, i dont think they're giong to want to give him a wr corps with anybody like that

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

After the New Years Eve performance, I am not sure Evans will stay as one of the top WR's this year......

ww85
ww85

 @ww85 Yeah, but I think maybe we need a stud TE more than WR? I don't think Byrd wants to stay in Buffalo? I bet he'd come to NY on a discount.

a57se
a57se

@John C

He did dump a few of them...hopefully he dumped the right ones.

John C
John C

@a57se @John C This draft will be interesting for the jets because it's a different scouting team for the jets. Idzik dumped tannenbaum's guys right after the draft last year if I'm not mistaken

a57se
a57se

@John C

There were several guys worth looking at in that game so I wouldn't limit it to just Mettenberger.

A lot of people feel Mettenberger benefitted from Cam Camerons' offense early on but once defenses adjusted, his stats fell off.......so basically they are saying Mettenberger didn't really improve.

I am not sure about that but he does have a good arm and the size you want at QB.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You're welcome to, it won't make the fact I didn't read it any less true, though. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

You repeated his analysis (Charlie Campbells'?) of Evans ALMOST VERBATIM.Do you want me to post it next to yours so you can compare?

Pat d
Pat d

a57 you are right. The team interviews is what is most important.

jma020
jma020

@a57se @Brendan I wouldn't want him.  I think he has great size and hands but has difficulty creating separation.  We already have that in David Nelson,  I'd rather take one of the tight ends.  Watkins> Lee> Amaro> Ebron> Austin Jenkins > Evans. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @Marcus Armstrong Not sure. Nobody notable, though… Auburn's secondary is very meh. I was just referencing the play from a raw "this is how fast he runs a straight line" standpoint.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You know better than anyone I don't think anything that clown says carries any value. I don't even go there anymore, but thank you for just minimizing a well thought-out and fair comment to nothing in order to dismiss it. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

I knew your 'analysis' of Evans sounded familiar and so I found it....You read Walter Footballs' analysis of Evans!

He say exactly what you put on here.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, I have watched a lot of tape on Evans, mainly because I've seen a lot of Watkins already and I am going to move on to Lee next. The fact that you think a disagreement of opinion is an insult proves you're too sensitive. Also, using "I've read SO MANY THINGS!!!" as a reason you're right is just sad, man. Come on. 


Vincent Jackson is a possession receiver? Because I described Evans as another VJ. If that's a possession receiver, than fine, that's what I want. 


I agree with Watkins being the best receiving prospect, he is an all-around type of receiver that will likely develop into a great pro. I'm not bothering with him anymore because it's almost a certainty he's long gone by the 18th pick. And was it a better idea to take deep threat Stephen Hill over possession-type Alshon Jeffrey? I think not. You draft the best players not the specific skilled ones. Evans would immediately improve the red zone offense, extend possessions and also be used on early downs for cheap yards to give the team manageable 2nd/3rd downs. That's the type of receiver the team doesn't have, unless you think Admiral Nelson is all the team needs in this type of player moving forward. 


"Almost always" is not a reason to do anything, ever. You create a big board, you draft based on it, you don't draft because historically the crappy teams that are in the top-10 every year keep drafting specific players, landing them back in the top-10 all the time. Al Davis taking a speed receiver every year in the top-10 doesn't mean the Jets should. Take the best player, if Idzik & Co. think Evans will suck, then pick someone else, but don't not pick someone because he's "just" a possession receiver. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

" You're "not sure" about him, but your reasons for not being sure seem flimsy, is that a personal attack or something? Why are you flipping out?"

I have read every scouting report on Evans and viewed quite a lot of tape on him as well as watching several games. Have you done this?  If NOT, then DON'T call my reasons FLIMSY?

That is an absolute insult and not called for if we are simply having a discussion, which is all I am doing.


"The ability to separate is a valid concern if you're drafting a deep threat or a guy to work in space, but Evans is a big receiver you'd be using to out-muscle DB's over the middle and for intermediate zones over the top. He doesn't have to run past people, he can just go over top of them at will. This is what Hill should be doing, but hasn't developed that skill yet."

Why was Hill drafted? SPEED. The ability to stretch the field is what made Hill so attractive. He and Evans are very different types of WR's. You don't draft possession receivers in the middle of the first round of a deep draft in WR's. Your description of Evans is just that, a possession receiver. Why do you think Watkins is the no. 1 WR on the board? Speed! Not only running good routes and catching the ball (Heck, Jordan White can claim those skills) but GETTING open consistently is what makes Watkins no. 1. Lee can do all those things as well except he was hurt this past year so he doesn't have the numbers. The deep threats and the guys you want to work in space ALMOST ALWAYS go before the possession types. That is why it is so important for them to show they can run well and run good routes. 

" Try not to be so sensitive, I'm disagreeing with your idea, not questioning you as a man or something."


I am not being over sensitive, you were being insulting with your comment about my reasons 'lacking' (I rarely comment on things I have not spent some time thinking about and/or researching) and by saying 'I didn't like the guy' which was not the truth.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Jesus H. Christ, dude. Without fail you always do this. I just disagreed with you, what is your malfunction? 


You're "not sure" about him, but your reasons for not being sure seem flimsy, is that a personal attack or something? Why are you flipping out? 


You didn't say you don't like him, you just pump up lesser players for the sake of knocking Evans down a bit. 


The ability to separate is a valid concern if you're drafting a deep threat or a guy to work in space, but Evans is a big receiver you'd be using to out-muscle DB's over the middle and for intermediate zones over the top. He doesn't have to run past people, he can just go over top of them at will. This is what Hill should be doing, but hasn't developed that skill yet. 


So a young, physically fit college beast reminds you of a guy coming out of jail who hadn't done anything outside of a cellblock for 2 years? It definitely doesn't sound like you're biased against the kid, you're right. 


Try not to be so sensitive, I'm disagreeing with your idea, not questioning you as a man or something. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

If you want to dictate how conversations should go then don't engage me at all.

I said very CLEARLY, I AM NOT SURE ABOUT EVANS.

I DIDN'T SAY I don't like the guy.

His ability to separate is a VALID concern going into the Draft and something teams will look at very closely. the other knock on him is he does NOT run good routes. 

I have also said I think he is a perfect fit for Pittsburgh...NOT because Pittsburgh is so good at picking WR's but their QB is very good at extending plays and it is during those type of plays where EVANS excels.

He apparently might have character issues as well and that might hurt his draft stock as well. 


Evans reminds me more of Plaxico at this point, the old, broken down just out of jail version that couldn't  separate either.


FWIW, if the Jets WERE to draft the guy, I would be OK with it.........so I am not against the guy, I just think there are other guys who might be better.


John C
John C

@Brendan @a57se I felt that Manziels success in the second half without evans was telling the other night. Brendan makes a good point with the impact of good QB play

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And the best unofficial time Evans has had is 4.47, I think you're ignoring the obvious: VJ is the best comparison for Evans. 


I don't get what your point about a broken-down just-out-of-jail Plax is, that's just confusing. 


I know you don't like Evans, but these criticisms are pretty lacking. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @Brendan And this is where I point out that Stedman Bailey plays a lot like that VJax prototype… He was just a lot smaller.


Also, just watched Evans v. Auburn on DraftBreakdown. Long TD looked like 4.4 speed. It's long speed, but it's there.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

The guy did run a 4.46 40...... but yes, he has excellent Ball skills.

so did PLaxico Burris his last year with the Jets but he couldn't get open.

With superior QB play, that guy who can out jump CB's gets more catches. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The majority of VJ's catches are in traffic and he simply out-muscles the DB's. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Yep. Hands are so, so strong. Makes contested catches, understands how to use his body to catch over DBs… Basically, he's Vincent Jackson.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se @John C Pitt has a pretty clear prototype as far as WRs go… They like their 3rd round, 5'11"-6'1" speedsters. Evans does not fit that mold.


Evans doesn't get separation, that's true, but separation isn't his game. He doesn't need it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Because Pittsburgh is never wrong about early-round WR's: please see Sweed, Limas. 

a57se
a57se

@John C

I am not sold on Evans and really don't think Pittsburgh will pass on him anyway.

If Pittsburgh DOES pass on the guy, i think that is sufficient warning for the Jets to figure out they should pass as well. 

Evans did not have good games against better CB's Brendan. He couldn't get any separation.

That is game film that is hard to escape.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If it's game tape, Evans is the top WR, no? 


Isn't his speed one of the only reasons (attitude the potential other one) teams would knock him down their boards? 

John C
John C

@Marcus Armstrong @Brendan So you guys are on board with Evans, if he's the BPA? Regardless of his interviews or immaturity.

I just see that as a very important element in how we build the team, and I think that will factor into idzik's decision as well

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Well if we believe what the media says you are probably correct. I don't think the NFL scouts are as moved by combine results as people make it seem. The game tape these guys put up is what determines draft position as well as individual workouts and interviews.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He's run unofficial 40's before. He can get as high as mid-4.4's, or as low as low-4.6's. Everything I'm reading says his expected time will be 4.5's, so if he comes in as expected he's probably sitting there at 18, if he runs something in the high-4.4's I bet he's gone. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Nobody that I've seen is viewing him as a 4.4 guy but anything is possible with the training some of these guys do between now and the combine.

If he runs in the high 4.5 to low 4.6 range as expected, it really shouldn't hurt his stock that much as that is how he looks on tape.

The diva stuff could turn off some teams. I really think he would be a good fit for Pittsburgh as they have plenty of smaller, speedy/quick types already. Plus with Evans play breakdown success with Manziel, that would seem to fit right in with Rothlisberger.....

John C
John C

@Brendan @a57se @John C haha, yeah those measurables where what i was what i had in mind. 

Did they bench him in the second half of that bowl game? He was non existent after Manziel got in his face

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se @John C He's a 6'5" 230 pound monster and if he runs in the 4.4's he'll have a very high stock. 


Your height/width are measurables, and if he can get his 40 time into the mid-to-high 4.4's, he's a lock for a top-15 pick. 

a57se
a57se

@John C

Evans isn't that fast from all I've seen so his measurables are not gonna push him up in the draft.

His interviews will probably dictate his movement as well as background checks teams do on the prospects.

John C
John C

@a57se @Brendan Holmes claims that he is willing to take a big cut just to stay in NY, but the dude is cancer in the locker room. Why would we get rid of holmes, then bring in a guy like evans? From a lockerroom standpoint, Id be hesitant to make the move on him.

But measurables will make him tough to pass on. 


Overall, something about this guy just does not sit right with me...maybe because he reminds me of aaron hernandez

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong I'm not entertaining that possibility because I will jinx it, but if the Billdos are dumb enough to let him walk, the Jets should back a dumptruck of money to his house and dump it on his front lawn.