Daily Links: Stepping it up

  • Tight end group impresses in mini-camp action [Jets Insider]
  • Woody likes the idea of expanding postseason [Star Ledger]
  • Cromartie has harsh words for Pettine [NFL.com]
  • “Revolutionary” Vick would love a ring, even as a backup [ESPN New York]
  • Davis continues to expect growth from defense [Jets Official Site]



52 comments
rstysanchz
rstysanchz

nice to hear sudfield improving his blocking technique...if he can step up as a dual threat this can help amaro slowly step in when hes more comfortable and as for cumby its his 4 th year and it looked like he was starting to show his true potential last year...i cant remember the last time the jets had 3 tightends with this much potential...and we will have these 3 together for atleast 2 years 

idothis2
idothis2

It's amazing what a year in the NFL conditioning program can do vs college. Geno's body looks a lot stronger than last year.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

With Geno and  Milliner having  late-season upward surges, those 8 wins last season  can turn into  9, dare I say__?

nesboogie
nesboogie

How does Dee plan on getting in "world class shape" over these next 5 weeks?

a57se
a57se

Reading the comments this time of year is always fun!

General consensus is if everything goes just right, we could win the division...

On the other hand, if everything goes wrong we could end up in last place....

Given the extremes, I always choose somewhere in the middle.

davem
davem

Pettine and Cromartie need to get (locked into) a room (together)

kniff
kniff

Good morning!


I'm totally look forward to seeing some multiple TE sets, and appreciate Sudfeld's good grades on blocking...


and with Cumby/Amaro very versed in the the receiving aspect, this is entirely feasible for Marty, and can add confusing looks to our Offense.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

Add two teams to each division,no byes and lose the word wildcard it implies you are lucky to be in the playoffs not that you earned your spot..Adding a night game would be great.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@idothis2 Absolutely. Geno looks like a different athlete. He looks much stronger. Hopefully that translates into better play--though I think that for QB's it's mental strength that matters most. But by all accounts, Geno's a lot stronger on that side of things as well. 


Seeing how much Geno grew up over the course of last season, and how strong and in control he seems since the off-season program began, I am feeling pretty optimistic about his development. His ceiling may be a lot higher than most people think.

harold
harold

@idothis

I will say Geno does look a lot stronger this year.

He was also a guy in college who got bigger, stronger and faster each year as well.

I feel confident we have a hard worker who should get better each year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se I think both statements are right and you're probably correct to hedge because some things will invariably go right while others don't.

harvlis
harvlis

That is a losing mentality. With our defense and our new weapons, I dont see any reason why we couldn't win the division. Never go into a season (or a sporting event) thinking you are going to lose.

hitchhiker
hitchhiker

It all depends on Geno, imo. If he steps up his game to "competent" (reduce TOs, increase completion %), this team will be tough to beat. The run game is strong, the WR corp is now a nice mix of accomplished dependable veterans & promising youth (as is the O-line), & the TE position should create plenty of mismatches in the passing game. So Geno has plenty of weapons this year & quality coaching, so there aren't any excuses for failure by Geno at this point.

The rookies should provide an infusion of talent for STs on kick/punt coverage & returns.

As the defense is loaded with young talent, it seems very reasonable to expect it will improve on last year's performance.

The Jets are more likely to challenge to Patriots for the AFC East & should easily be better than the Dolphins, Bills, or Giants.

harold
harold

@jake100

I see us with a good chance to win the dvision if:

Geno improves to a 80 QB rating or above

Amaro and Cumberland combine for 75 catches and 950 yards

Defensive secondary with Patterson, McDougle and Pryor jells early and avoids injury.

Barnes comes back healthy and Coples continues to improve as he did last year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi AOL is still in business?

Zartan
Zartan

I agree, I took a real close look at the teams we play, I'm more than optimistic we will have a stronge season.

harold
harold

I posted on the site just don't see Sudfield taking over -inline role.  For one he 3rd string not 2nd.  So for him to get in the game you are going with your 3rd best TE on the field far too often.  Cumberland will play that role as he did last year.

Sudfield will likely play a similiar role to last year playing regularly only if injury strikes.

levi
levi

@kniff That was a good write up. Cant wait to see them in action.

Zartan
Zartan

A team can get a wild card with 11 and 12 wins.

idothis2
idothis2

@harold Me too. I was worried about his slight frame for a guy 6'3" last year, but he is developing a nice NFL frame.

harold
harold

@Bent

The most common thing that derails teams is QB.

I think having Vick will increase our chances of being able to withstand an injury at this position.

With that in mind I think, any other injury other than Mangold we can overcome. 

That is why under most scenarios I see us making the playoffs.

harold
harold

@hitchhiker

The good thing for me is I don't think Geno looks at having more pieces as pressure.  I think he will perform very well this season and we get an opportunity to play in the tournament this winter.

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

@harold I wish I could be that optimistic but -- you know -- the Jets. Plus I think New England will find a way to acquire Andre Johnson. 

levi
levi

@Bent  haha yeah and some of us older folks still use it.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Zartan Which is why I said lose the term Wildcard which implies luck.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

You are also assuming that Geno and /or Vick will actually perform better then they did last year.

Neither played well enough to get a team into the payoffs.

Bytor
Bytor

I have a feeling the game will slow down significantly for Geno this year. All indications are that he's studying his butt off and it showed in camp. I think we underestimate the transition to the pros for ANY rookie QB.

That's why I'd rather have a cerebral QB like Geno and not an azz-hat like Manziel.

hitchhiker
hitchhiker

I didn't mean it as more pressure for him, it should be less. It should mean he isn't worrying about things like if his receiver is in the right spot on timing patterns or if he will catch the ball, nor should he feel the need to carry the team.

The additional weapons makes it easier to evaluate his performance as the "no weapons" factor is removed from the situation.

Geno definitely has all the necessary athleticism, quality coaching, & is supposedly a hard-working, intelligent dude, so he should improve each year for the next few years.

harold
harold

@Jeff E. Guy

I find it hard not to be excited about this season.  All our top draft picks got better and as the season progressed.  Some took until the very end like Winters.  Some had good and bad like Milliner and Geno and Richardson was a stud from day one.

The important thing is they all gave us hope and took coaching so they could improve.

I don't really care who the other teams acquire, we have gotten quality guys to fill out our roster.  With our coaching staff I think we can compete with anyone.

harold
harold

@jake100

I certainly agree Geno will be the biggest factor.  Becuase his overall  improvement, would lead to him getting the ball out faster, which makes our o-line better and our running game better.

Good point on running game, I did not mention the ground game or defensive line since I look at those as known variables.

Milliner I did not mention because he was an existing piece.  I feel pretty confident he will continue to improve.  At worst he will be better than last year as a whole.  at best he continues from where he ended the seson.

a57se
a57se

@johnnyl65 @Zartan 

Wildcard does not imply luck. It implies a team whose value is difficult to estimate.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @harold

Is there any reason to assume he won't play better than last year ?

He has a year of experience and better talent this year.  If he doesn't improve this year you would then have a reason to be concerned.

harold
harold

@a57se

I feel very confident Geno will play well and continue the improvement he showed last year.

Vick is competent at QB and always has been.

If he plays how he has throughout his career including last year that is good enough with Rex.

I think you forget just how good our coaching staff has been on defense since Rex has gotten here.

Now we Marty on offense and we are in good shape in the coaching dept.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Hanknaples @johnnyl65 @Zartan That's actually wrong,division leaders are more likely to have poor records in the playoffs since best record gets the remaining playoff spots.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se 

I am not cncerned.

I have seen a lot of QB's who have had flashes of being good then never do much of anything and quietly disappear. This has happened a lot more in the near 50 years I have been watching Football then what everyone is assuming will happen with Geno.

Based on the percentages, it isn't likely...

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude

Your right,  most QB's drafted turn out to be less than what teams hope for.  It's likely we don't have a Hall of Fame QB.   But we do seem to have a nice young QB who will play good in a lot of games,  and probably have a few terrible games.   You can win in this league with a decent QB and a strong defense.

It doesn't mean we ever pass on a stud QB if it ever presents itself.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples


You sure about this one, Hank?


Last year there were two 11-win wildcard teams and one 12-win wildcard team but no wildcard teams that were .500 or below.


2012 there were two 11-win wildcard teams and no wildcard teams that were .500 or below.


2011 there was a 12-win wildcard team but no wildcard teams that were .500 or below.


Over the last three years, that's six 11-or-12-win wildcard teams and no wildcard teams that were .500 or below.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@bklyndude @a57se Yep, I hope we get a shot at picking up Christian Hackenburg, some other good QB's in that 2016 draft class, for 2015 I think we continue bulking up on offense and other areas of need, we already have a career back QB in Boyd, 2016 is the year to keep an eye on the QB's of that class.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se 

The thing is, if you have a QB who is showing some potential and you are a very positive person to begin with, you might ride that horse too long and pass on opportunities that present themselves like we did wishing and hoping on Sanchez. Why take a third round QB like Kaepernick or Wilson when you can draft for other positions of 'real' need...

harold
harold

@Pablo Bruno

Coaching is what allows many guys to maximize their skillsets.  I feel very good about our offensive coaching staff.  I feel pretty good in saying if we maintain our staff and continue to let Geno grow with the players we have acquired we will likely not be in the QB in 2016.

harold
harold

@bklyndude @a57se

I have given my reasons for being excited about Geno.

He showed me a very good skillset.  I feel good he can translate that over a full season and become 60-63% passer which is not elite but would get us where we need to be. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude

Third rounders are no sure thing and how would Wilson or Kaepernick look on lesser teams.  

They are good but they play on very good teams,  it makes a difference in how they are perceived.  Again,  if you believe in somebody as a starter in this league,  you don't pass on him.  It's better to have two good QB's and trade one down the line if they both have starter stuff.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples @Bent


Here's the list of .500 or worse playoff teams:


2010 - Seahawks (7-9)

2008 - Chargers (8-8)

2006 - Giants (8-8)

2004 - Rams and Vikings (8-8 each)

1999 - Cowboys and Lions (8-8 each)

1991 - Jets (8-8)

1990 - Saints (8-8)

1985 - Browns (8-8)


The teams in bold won their division so there have been seven 8-8 or worse wild card teams EVER.


As noted above there have been six 11/12 win wildcard teams in the past three years alone.


Other examples include the 13-3 Titans in 1999 and the '97 Broncos and '00 Ravens, two 12-4 wild card teams that went on to win the Super Bowl.  Then there's the 11-5 Jets from 2010.  Or 1985 where both the Jets and Patriots were 11-5 and made it as a wild card behind the division winning Miami.  Johnny was right, clearly 11/12 win wildcard teams are more commonplace than 7/8 win wildcard teams, especially since the playoffs expanded.




bradysucks
bradysucks

Coaches don't make QB's Harold

QB's make coaches

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@bklyndude @a57se dude, Wilson and Kaepernick are winners. Yes, they play on very good teams--two of the best in the league--but everyone knows that a very good (or great) QB makes any team much better. It's too early to call either one of them elite, but they are certainly trending in that direction. They have mobility, good arms, great decision making, and absolute command of their offense. If Geno can lift his play to their level, we will be in great shape.

juunit
juunit

@bklyndude @a57se 

Wilson would be fine. Kaepernick wouldn't be starting on most other teams. 

harold
harold

@bradysucks

Who said Coaches make QB's?

I said good coaching can maximize potential (which is very true).

I also think good QB's help coaches as well.

Not sure why you feel it is an either/or scenario.

Their are numerous examples of both.

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @bklyndude @a57se I don't know about that, but I do think that if Kaep played as a rookie he'd have been as bad as if not worse than Geno.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples Yes, not sure why the '82 Browns and Lions weren't included in that list.


Probably because there were FIVE wild card teams in each conference that year due to the strike shortened season.

juunit
juunit

@Bent @juunit @bklyndude @a57se 

I think Kaepernick would be in real trouble if he wasn't on a team with the talent level of the 49ers. That defense and running game prop him up a lot.