Daily Links: Success?

  • Broadway Johnny? Jets should be so lucky [ESPN NY]
  • Jets not among NFL’s most-watched games in 2013 [NJ]
  • Was 8-8 a Success for the Jets? [NY Jets]
  • Geno Smith: Top Plays of 2013 [The J-E-T Press]
  • Coach Killers, Week 18: Dalton, Sanchez, Cutler and franchise QBs [CBS]
  • Five Dolphins general manager candidates (Including Tannenbaum & Mangini) [ESPN]



188 comments
rstysanchz
rstysanchz

i think cimini wants the jets to draft manziel just so that he can start writing negative and circus like stories about him the first time manziel doublepark's or jaywalk's

SackDance99
SackDance99

I don't think Johnny Football will be available at 18.  If he were, I do think he'd merit serious draft consideration, but only if the Jets are willing to construct the offense around his skills.  To me, that is the real issue.  Geno could likely also run the modified Johnny Football offense and I'm not convinced that Geno wouldn't win that QB battle.  So, do we want the Jets to have a Brees (2nd rounder)/Rivers (1st rounder situation)?

QB is so important to NFL success and Johnny Football has such a unique skill set that I honestly don't know whether he'll be the second coming of Tarkenton or Flutie.  I just hope the choice is taken away from the Jets because he could become a star in the NFL.

bharper42
bharper42

Do you really want a small run first qb?  a couple hits and he'll be done.  this isn't college where i'd say 2/3 of the team wouldn't even make an nfl team.  This is where the big boys play.  he'll get knocked out in the first few weeks imo.


Boitles (sp?) from UCF is far better and can also run up and down the field.


Swtiching subjects.  Did that article really suggest tannenbaum as Miami GM.  We can only hope for such fortune.

Brendan
Brendan

People really want to see a 6' 200 pound midget play QB for the Jets? 

bradysucks
bradysucks

It amazes me that a franchise like the Jets which hasn't had a dominant QB since Namath has a fan base that wouldn't be salivating at the idea of going for it and making a move for a guy like Manziel, Bridgewater etc

I like Geno but he certainly hasn't done enough where I'd stand still as the Jets GM and not make an effort to upgrade the QB position if possible. Sure the Jets can have a Brees/Rivers situation or a Montana/Young situation or a Brady/Bledsoe situation - I'll take all 3 of these scenarios over a Sanchez/Clemens situation (Sanchez round 1 and Clemens round 2)

- bottom line - if a GM rolls the dice then do it for a QB - the Giants traded up for Eli and it resulted in 2 Super Bowls

If we choose the wrong QB nothing changes - Jets haven't won a Super Bowl since 1969 - They should make a move for Manziel

Bent
Bent moderator

Is "run first qb" an accurate description?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

I just want to see a REALLY, REALLY GOOD NFL CALIBER QB PLAY for the JETS!

I don't care what his name is, how big he is, what color he is, I wouldn't even complain if he was a GIRL or a HERMAPHRODITE!


ww85
ww85

LOL. However, Wilson & Brees show that some QBS can overcome height. Manziel moves like those guys, but he does not have the cannon arm of Wilson & Brees. I see him throw lots of deep lobs & use his feet as well as anyone, but I've never seen him throw a rocket to the flat.

levi
levi

@Brendan  I gotta admit hes growing on me and he would be very exciting to watch until he got broke in half.


On a side note, there is a local band up here called The Six Foot Midgets and they are good so he could be too.


Another side note,  midgets scare me. I think its their fingers that weird me out.

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan 

Just wanna see a guy throw to his own team tbh.... haven't you learned your lesson about height in relation to QBs?


he could use a couple extra lbs tho..


SackDance99
SackDance99

@bradysucksThe Giants didn't really role the dice.  They had an awful team and Eli had publicly stated that he wasn't going to sign with the Chargers.  Eli's team had strongly indicated that they wanted Eli to go to the Giants and that was back when the 1st pick made more money than Pro Bowl vets.  Eli basically forced his way on to the Giants with the only issue being compensation to the Chargers.  Plus, Coughlin had just been signed and it's routine for a new HC to want his guy as QB1 and for Coughlin, who probably along with Accorsi made all sorts of promises to the Mannings, wanted Eli.


If I thought Bridgewater, Manziel, etc. were in the Luck or Peyton category of "can't miss" franchise QB, then I'd be all for trading up and booting Geno.  I just don't know if building out MM's WCO with Geno at QB wouldn't be better than drafting a QB in the first round and foregoing the opportunity of upgrading the team in other areas.  Bottom line, I don't know if Bridgewater or Manziel will be better pros than Geno.


With that doubt in mind, and a boatload of draft picks and cap space for UFAs, I'd rather build out the offense because next year is shaping up to be just as good for QBs.  So, if the wheels come off this year, at least Mariotta, Hundley or Winston would have a better base of offensive skill players for the re-boot under a new coach.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@bradysucks It amazes me that a franchise like the Jets which hasn't had a dominant QB since Namath has a fan base that wouldn't be salivating at the idea of going for it and making a move.............

The fan base wants what you want,  but making the right move is what's most important.

Trading away assets to move up for a QB that may not be better than the guy we currently have seems very cavalier with regard to the rest of the weaknesses on the roster.

And we would still be looking for some playmakers.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

We are too busy trying to be positive about what we have.....

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

No it is not.

Braxton Miller is more of a run first QB.

campfodder
campfodder

@a57se @Brendan Sorry to break it to you but drafting a QB usually means you will have to wait about 3-10 years to get that return on investment, we just need to be patient. Elite QBs dont grow overnight.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi "Until he broke in half." 


And how long would that take?


I actually am a fan of his, I like his "Eff You" attitude and his college play is remarkable, but I just don't see him lasting in the NFL. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel Height in relation to QB's? What do you mean? Being short at QB is a huge disadvantage.


And I'm not confident that Manziel's game will translate very well to the NFL. A lot of his brilliance is in extending plays and using his feet. Guys with his small type of stature that are reckless with their bodies like him? Does Michael Vick ring a bell? He's a better passer than Vick was at the same point in their careers, but he's got that same mindset when he takes off running, and his mechanics for throwing are lacking. 


He's an exciting college player....but so was Eric Crouch. I just think people are buying into the hype too much with this guy. 

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Geno is more talented than Fales with his right arm tied behind his back. There is a reason why Geno was once considered a future #1 pick .. There's a reason why in the 2012 draft class he was considered to still be a first rounder.

You are infatuated with a qb who will be drafted on the 5th round and probably won't start unless an injury.

What is so bad about Geno? Please tell me

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se Ok, looks like 3rd and on kinda guys. I wouldn't hate it. Simms would most likely get the ax.

campfodder
campfodder

@Bytor @a57se AJ McCarron is good but I dont see him becoming elite (pure field GM), haven't checked out Fales though... will take a look.

campfodder
campfodder

@Bytor @a57se @campfodder  Boyd Carr, Garoppolo to name a few. Those are very healthy competition players. I dont think we should use a 2nd rounder on Qb either (I would have included Bortles but I think someone will reach for him early).

a57se
a57se

@Bytor

I would give David Fales a good chance of beating out Geno in a WCO.

I would give Tajh Boyd a good chance of beating out Geno though they are similar.

I think A J McCarron would also give Geno competition as he probably would not make many mistakes.

a57se
a57se

@campfodder

I think there are several guys who could come in and compete with Geno who won't be taken in the first round. 


a57se
a57se

@campfodder@a57se 

Who says we would have to trade up for a QB who could compete with geno???

You make way too many assumptions.

campfodder
campfodder

@a57se @campfodder Its actually pretty sound. You draft a QB in the first round when you are in the position to make that type of investment. Not for the sake of competition....


Draft picks are not monopoly money you just spray and pray. You need to be smart with them right???


In our case we would need to trade up for a rather very risky investment... for a QB to "compete" with Geno, lol.


Just say you dont want Geno and it will make sense...


You don't constantly press reset until you hit jackpot, when history show that most teams with good QBs wait for their return after a period of time.


Now if we draft a QB in the first round I want to see at least some form of commitment past the first year (getting weapons, coordinator continuity, etc) before we throw in the towel again. Not some competition bull#$&%

a57se
a57se

@campfodder@a57se

Your argument is silly......Don't draft another QB now because it will take 3 to 10 years to see any real benefit.....so let's stick with geno!


campfodder
campfodder

@a57se @campfodder @Brendan Kapernick had a full year wait and not a first rounder. Luck is just a beast, Wilson was a 3rd rounder....


How bout you name other teams and other years that teams had success with rookie QBs immediately. Dont name Washington because RGIII got wasted.


The odds are heavily against you when expecting elite play from a rookie QB in the first 2-3 years... 

harold
harold

Levi

that would be a huge problem.  this guy is hitting all the college bars.  you give NYC and it will not be great for his career.

levi
levi

@harold Oh I would pass on him too. He is fun to watch though. I think he might get himself in trouble in "the city that never sleeps" too.

harold
harold

Brendan and Levi

Manziel is a hit or miss player because of his style of play, size and off the field media circus.  I would say no and sleep well at night.

djf1
djf1

@Brendan@Marvel id like a qb that gets rid of it quickly and decisively.  no thanks on extending plays.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@Marvel 

I think a better comparison to Manziel is a miniature Rothlisberger. Manziel looks to extend plays with the thought of getting the ball to his receivers, he does not just bail and run.