Daily Links: The Idzik Way

  • John Idzik, Please Stay Away from Michael Vick [The J-E-T Press]
  • What was Joe Namath doing with that jacket? [SNY.tv]
  • Jets GM Idzik out to follow Seahawks’ blueprint [NY Post]
  • Lupica: For Rex, Sea-ing is believing [NY Daily News]
  • Five teams that could sign Jeremy Maclin away from the Eagles [NJ]
  • Richard Sherman: The NFC Championship Game was the Super Bowl [PFT]



175 comments
Pat d
Pat d

Earlier I said the only FA worth paying big money for is Jimmy Graham. I would then sign McCown to a 2 year deal. Those two FA would have the most impact. Of course you fill the rest of the roster with cost friendly FAs.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I don't normally do this because its useless and just sets you up to be disappointed and angry but here is what I would like this offseason. I won't be putting in dollar amounts.

Extend Mo and Howard.

Resign Pace to a 2 year deal.

Verner or Grimes

Resign Reed

Maclin or James Jones( I for one think we NEED a veteran. To go all in on multiple rookies would be a huge mistake if 1 or both do not pan out.)

Plus depth on the Oline and CBs.

Draft: pure BPA baby.

You adjust your system to fit your players. Don't draft need, draft talent.

kniff
kniff

Sign McCown to a two year deal, and forget about Michael Vick... the Circus is over.


Geno, Simms, and McCown compete in training camp....


Cool.

t__k
t__k

I don't get the Vick hate.  As a backup QB, I really can't think of many better than Vick would be.  With the right contract and competition as the only promise, what's the harm in signing the guy?  Last year we had Garrard and Simms as backups, but the thought of having Vick as a backup and people go nuts?   IMO, I would ditch Garrard and just have Vick fill that mentor role.  If I have to choose between Vick and Garrard as a backup I'm going Vick every time and its not even close right now.

Harrison Shapiro
Harrison Shapiro

I wanna play devil's advocate for a second.  Bringing in Vick is not a terrible idea and here is why: Idzik clearly will make cost effective moves like last year and not break the bank on big guys.  I have a feeling he's not gonna spend the big money on the deckers, brent grimes' and jaiyrus byrds who want big long term money. I can see guys who have more to prove like hakeem nicks or kenny britt who won't get the largest contracts but have stud potential.  He'll also try and make it so if they suck, we can dip out early in their contract.  Since qb is the most important position on the team a player with high upside like Vick is a possibility. The free agent class is awful, especially for QBs and to sign a player like him, we'd probably give him a 1-2 year deal where can cut him after next season.  This will help Geno through competition and working with a somewhat similar qb who's had success and experience.  Since Idzik wants to use the draft as the place to really develop the team, I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of injury prone, high upside type players who we can cut if they get hurt or are garbage.


Personally, I don't like Vick but can see him coming because he will add to the competition at qb.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

God, I really wish all this Vick talk would die, but the only way it will (maybe) is after Idzik signs or drafts a QB. It's unfortunate that the QB position is so important in today's NFL b/c so far it reflects his weakest decision making.

Omitting Sanchez b/c Idzik was stuck with him for last season and did what a vast majority of GM's would do to avoid the salary cap hit, I'd focus on the other QB's on the team: Geno, Simms and Garrard. Out of this group of 3, the Jets have demonstrated that THEY view Geno as their only potential starter. So as bad, shaky, inconsistent and unprepared Geno was to lead an NFL team based on performance, Idzik left the team with what they viewed as no other choice. That, in reality, shows it is the weakest position on the team with no depth that the Jets feel they can put in a game. In fact, the reports of the resignng of Garrard said it was a mercy signing. Garrard called Idzik and asked if he'd resign him b/c his knees were now rested / feeling better and he was bored sitting on his couch.


I'll feel much better about Idzik if he can transform the QB position from the one with the least depth to the one of the deepest. And I'll be ecstatic if he can do it without importing someone else's problem: an old, injured, inhumane player named Vick. He's essentially Garrard with tons of baggage and not exactly a step forward for the Jets organization.

kniff
kniff

@DrJonathanReefer  Couldn't agree more with Mo and Howard, and signing a FA WR that is good but won't break the bank....


Lets be savvy in FA based on our needs like last year...


Then lets draft accordingly....

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer  CO-sign everything except Pace to a 2-year deal. I'd give him another 1-year and draft his replacement, have Pace/rookie/Barnes for the edge opposite Coples. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se  Stories like this might actually help hi get the contract he wants . This will make more teams interested and possibly create a bidding that he might not have had without an angle like this. Lack of interest is what would drive down his price.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@t__k "I don;t get the Vick hate." Really? Fans (short for fanatics" root and spend $ on a team out of an emotional tie. Even when a team sucks they support it. And some folks feel the same way about people, dogs or other pets and think mindless killing of them is pathological and immoral Therefore since both are emotional reactions you should be able to relate to it if not understand it. it would be impossible for some fans to root / bleed green & white and spend hard earned $ for a team that has a player on it you find repugnant. You can't root for a team and against a player on that team. If you can't be all in, then walk. - I, for one, would walk after 45+ years and believe me, my friends and family would do it too.

jetlife
jetlife

@Harrison Shapiro  

Personally, I don't like Vick but can see him coming because he will add to the CIRCUS at qb.


Do not trust the media. Jets have put themselves in good position, and I can't see this move working out(off the field), even though I believe it makes sense on the field.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Drafting needs gets you Gholstons. Drafting BPA gets you Boss Hogs.

Also my opinions and thoughts might be nonsense to you but alot of others seem to agree. I wouldn't call it nonsense.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

That would change both my plans on CB and FS.

So I would resign a cut Cro to a cap friendly deal, then go all in on Byrd.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I'd resign Cro to cap friendly deal and go all in on Byrd.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Well I fully expect year 2 to be able to be an easy cut if needed.

I forgot back up QB: Tavaris Jackson? If we resigns with the Hawks. I'd take Hill or one of the cap casualties.

kniff
kniff

@jake100 @kniff  Right on Jake!


Stats indicate he really gets it..... check

Can read Defenses.......................check

Is a team player...............................check

Can mentor Geno............................check

Doesn't mind being a backup.......check

Healthy...............................................check

Affordable...........................................check

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn But this is just because they don't know everything about every player they root for. I guarantee the team has players that are bad people on it right now, but we don't know about them so we don't care. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jetlife But Vick hasn't been an issue off the field since re-joining the league (and society). What he did was deplorable, I doubt you'd find many to argue that point, but he served time and has since been pretty much a model citizen. 


There are many people who dislike him based on on-field issues,  which is fair, given his fragile history and inconsistency. The people who buy into the "circus" and think he'd cause some kind of firestorm are just buying into the narrative. Vick would come here, he'd try to help Geno learn the game (something I wouldn't be particularly thrilled about since I don't think Vick's mental understanding of the game is to a point where he should be teaching others), he'd step in if Geno went down or got yanked, and he'd provide some flashes of brilliance in between moments that leave fans utterly perplexed. It's what he does. 


I don't want him because of the football player he is, I don't like him as a human being either, but that's not what ultimately decides whether or not I want him on the team. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@a57se I know, that concerned me too. At the time I said if they want him as a mentor then bring him in as a coach. To use a QB backup roster spot for a guy who you determine cannot play is ridiculous. It's the weakest rationale you can use as a GM to keep someone around and is definitely not in the best interests of the team. This team is NOT loaded with so much O talent that you can blow off a roster spot  with someone your HC can't put in a game.

bob
bob

@a57se


What you mean.. like a subway franchise if that happens there will be to many good TE's in the league.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Do we really gotta argue? I didn't post my thoughts to argue them. I posted it to have normal conversation about football like how johnny, brendan and kniff replied, neither agreed with everything but neither called it nonsense and then tried to rip it apart.

Do I have to say Your Right? So u stop trying to prove that everyone of your opinions is the right one? Cuz you won't be changing my mind. So either have an adult conversation with me or keep acting like your 14 and ill just ignore you.

(Insert post of 57 playing the victim)

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

We needed a QB after Farve retired...we needed a running back because Jones was already 30. We needed a WR because we cut Plax. We needed a tackle because woody retired.

No need?

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I'm gonna pull a Joey here since I can't edit my comment.

My belief is very simple. Free Agency is for need. The draft is for the best young talent.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

And Sanchez-need, Hill-need, Greene-need, Vlad-need. Trading for Doug Jolly - need. Mike Nugent- need. I can go on and on of all the times we draft need and get f'd over. Many other teams too.

If you draft need, you reach, and you never want to reach. If you have someone with a higher grade you pick them regardless of your need.

Basically you take the best overall, not the best of what's left in a position.

BPA baby!!

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Lol well that's another reason why Rex is the man, he has no fear for any other coach.

Tons of jet fans and media complained that we had no need for Mo, for Coples and for Boss Hog. Now everyone can't shut up about how great they are.

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer  Gholston was also fear. Fear that Big Bad Papa Belichick would get Gholston and eat Mangini's QB's for eternity. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Yup, the 2nd year is insurance if said replacement is not ready just yet. He would be a solid veteran backup who can mentor or if he play drops that far in a year we can cut him.

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer  Good point. I could see him getting a "2 year" deal that's really a 1 year deal with an non-guaranteed second season. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@kniff @bklyndude   I think Evans would be the best pick at 18.  I see the mock drafts have those two TE's being picked where the Jets are picking and they may be under consideration. 

The Combine should bring additional clarity to the first round.  Somebody always rises and somebody usually falls.

kniff
kniff

@bklyndude @kniff  Man I'll tell you I'm praying we can score Evans, Ebron, or Amaro with our first draft pick. Geno needs tall playmakers that he can grow with, and these are my faves so far in this draft. I'd be willing to trade up a bit to insure one of these guys...


Even Sanchez had his security blanket Dustin Keller!!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@kniff @bklyndude   Last year Geno had zero NFL experience and they signed Garrard thinking he could replace Sanchez if he were cut.  

I think the Jets are going to give Geno every opportunity to nail down the job as a starter and McCown and Vick and every other potential QB has to know it.

kniff
kniff

@bklyndude  You mean a guy that's two years younger than Garrard? 


I thought nobody wanted to just hand Geno the keys on this sight LOL!

bklyndude
bklyndude

@kniff @a57se @bklyndude   The Jets aren't going to let a 34 year old QB compete as a starter when Geno was drafted in the second round last year by Idzik,  unless they are ready to give up on Geno.  

I can only imagine a team ready to win now and lacking a competent QB would be interested in him as a starter and I can't think of any teams in such a position and willing to do it.

kniff
kniff

@a57se @bklyndude  Ah but could McCown (with all things being equal) win a QB competition with Geno here in NY? I would try and sell him that yes, he has a very good chance...


Geno also loves the read option, which is dangerous...hence more possibility to start.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@kniff @jake100   Unfortunately if he's going to remain a backup,  he has said he would prefer to stay in Chicago where they have Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey.   Can't imagine he thinks being a backup with the Jets is more attractive.  

I agree he would be a nice addition though.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn For the record, he wouldn't be on my list. Not a fan of him as a person or player at this stage in his career. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@Brendan @frustjetfnTrue, but this is one player we DO know about. - To each his own / everyone would have to decide, but some of us know where we've drawn the line in this case.

Note: Believe me, we know the NFL is rife with past, present and future criminals of all persuasions and Vick on Philly was their issue. But if he comes here, it's mine and no way I'll stay a Jets fan. That's my choice.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  Oh yeah,  he didn't even make it to camp.   Leaving us with only Sanchez as the guy with any experience at QB.....that turned out really bad.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude   I think Idzik signed Garrard with the possibility of getting rid of Sanchez.  I don't think Idzik thought that Garrard would quit in the middle of camp.  I think he wanted Geno to get most of the PT.

Last year we got away without a veteran QB that could actually play decent football.  That is a mistake that can't happen again.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se   Last spring there were more options,  but not a lot of better ones.  I'm sure the thinking was Sanchez would be fine as the veteran QB backing up Geno if he lost his spot.   

Garrard was supposed to be competition for the starting spot and could have been the backup if the Jets got rid of Sanchez,  which was a possiblity,  but was dependant on Geno's progress in camp but then he got hurt. Actually they all got hurt at some point.

We were left with scraps like Quinn and others and I don't think we want to be in that position again this year.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  

there were a lot of options out there besides David Garrard. 


Well now you've got my attention.  Who were these many options we passed on after Sanchez got hurt ?

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @frustjetfn

It hasn't been odd,  there hasn't been a good QB available that we passed on.

Vick will be the best one available this off season most likely.  You can debate the merits of signing him,  but he would be a big upgrade over Garrard and Simms.