Daily Links: We can work it out

  • Still not time to tear down Jets OL [ESPN New York]
  • Panel of bloggers (including Bassett) select Jets top three picks [New York Daily News]
  • Jets’ local workouts to be conducted today [Star Ledger]
  • Titans beat writers says Jets got better deal in CJ/Shonn Greene swap [Star Ledger]
  • Ivory was a lot more elusive than Johnson in 2013 [PFF]



367 comments
Pat d
Pat d

I like Beckham and Cooks but think Lee is the better WR and the best fit for the Jets.

How come so many on this site are so miss informed regarding Lee.

Many here are beginning to sound like parrots repeating the same BS.

Lee makes catches over either shoulder.

Lee high point catches in tight coverage.

Yet over and over all that is repeated here is that he uses his body to make most of his catches.

Can someone explain how Lee uses his body when making catches over the shoulder or at the high point using his hands in tight coverage.

Hoz
Hoz

new thread is up..

a57se
a57se

Cincinnati TE Blake Annen worked out for Eagles assistant TE coach Justin Peelle, according to Aaron Wilson.

Annen is a ridiculous athlete, running a 4.41 at the school's pro day, also posting 25 bench press reps, a 34 inch vertical and 10 foot broad jump. those numbers alone could get the 6'5/250 lbs tight end drafted. 

Don't know much about this guy but his measurables are amazing.......

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

My gut is telling me they are going to go corner or safety in the first round!!! our secondary is in worst condition then our receiving core. SMH 

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

Another defensive player with our 1st round pick!! man im not with it. i think for once we need to draft a top end offensive talent. idzik sort of flopped with getting a corner during free agency forcing us to have to possibly spend our top pick on a corner.

williamg1
williamg1

A week ago I was "meh" about getting CJ. Yesterday, I was pretty happy. Today I'm excited. I'm liking this transaction more and more. CJ has to be motivated -- just to get maximum dollars out of his remaining years. If he can have a stellar year, that may translate to endorsement deals -- especially now that he's in a major market. I'm sure his agents/advisers have to be thinking the same. His earning potential is 100% incentive-based after 2014. 

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

i like Beckham over marquis lee and Cooks. cooks is too small, Lee catches everything with his body. Beckham has decent size, is fast and elusive, and has crazy hands. 

williamg1
williamg1

My only question about Dennard is: he seems like he may cross the line from being physical, to holding. Personally, I love the way he manhandles dudes. But, sometimes it looks like he's grabbing, and I'm not sure how that will translate to the NFL. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Pat d  I live in Los Angeles and have watched nearly every catch Lee has ever made, as I follow USC pretty closely. The guy does NOT use his hands to catch. As I've mentioned, you can look at his "highlight" videos and see he doesn't use his hands. That will be a problem in the NFL. He's probably the best route-runner, but his hands are certainly suspect (because he doesn't use them). 

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

Lee had a 12.3% drop rate in 2013...you can't sugarcoat that and that stat is the source of legitimate concern with Lee.....add in that we don't know about his knee condition and it is fair to be concerned about the guy.

His 2012 tape would have made him the top WR this year but will we ever see that guy again?

williamg1
williamg1

@Scott Berger-Felder  I agree. But, I'm all for sticking with the BPA philosophy -- especially when you can grab a WR in rd 2

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Scott Berger-Felder  


I'd be happy with either Evans, Cooks or Beckham in the first, but they're the only WR's I think worth the top pick.   After that I work my board progressions.  If they're gone I look to Ebron.  If he's gone, I'm looking for Dennard or Gilbert.   If they're all gone I'd be tempted to take one of the top OLmen, and go from there. 

Pat d
Pat d

So how many USC gamed did you watch. That's what I thought. I like Beckham but you are wrong about Lee.

Brendan
Brendan

@Scott Berger-Felder  Isn't Cooks almost identical in size to Beckham? 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1  So does Richard Sherman. So does Revis. There are ways to cross that line without getting flagged. 

Pat d
Pat d

Hazzard

As far as WRs Lee should be on that list.

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

@Pat d  enough to know he traps majority of his catches. Beckhams hands are way better. in the NFL you wont be able to get away with body trapping

williamg1
williamg1

@Pat d  Lee really doesn't catch the ball cleanly. Even if you were to watch his "highlights" he uses his forearms to craddle-catch the ball, or he uses his body. 

juunit
juunit

@Pat d  

I've pretty much given up with people when it comes to Lee. I settle for knowing just how wrong they'll be once he starts playing. 

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

I'd be happy with Beckham or Lee....though I would be more concerned about Lee.

a57se
a57se

@Pat d  

Sounds like you read scouting reports that were written 6 months ago......I read the same ones. Watch film and you will see for yourself that this is BS as far as Beckham goes....but if all you want to do is be a Lee cheerleader, then ignore what I suggest.

Pat d
Pat d

Beckham's weaknesses,

Gets caught from behind by defensive backs

Has improved catching the ball with his hands but still has drops

Can't block

Lee's weaknesses

Struggled with injury last year

Relies on natural athleticism

Pat d
Pat d

Lee makes catches over either shoulder and leaps and high point catches in tight coverage. To say lee traps most of his catches is false

Lee is the best route runner in the draft. If CBs press him at the line they will get burned. And finally he is an excellent blocker.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Do not give up on Hill. Despite what people on this blog think ( they either have no or limited stragity skills ) Mike Vick will start. It's much easier to go from Vick to Geno, then it is to go from Geno to Vick. It's a fact of the NFL that QB's most often hit/go into a sophomore slide. If Rex were to start Geno & it gets rough for the kid, it would be problematic to give Geno the hook, you will destroy the kids confidence. Everyone knows the most popular player on the team is the back up QB. We all expect Vick to get hurt right? If Vick gets hurt or the team plays poorly, you can just go to Geno, Isn't that basically what the Eagles did ? I think that Hill will thrive w/Vicks deep play ability

Pat d
Pat d

WW85

Lee is the best route runner in this draft

Pat d
Pat d

That sounds like an argument to get a better QB

a57se
a57se

@WW85  

Uh, Cooks played in a spread offense....definitely NOT pro-style. Beckham played in a Pro Style offense, his O'Coordinator was Cam Cameron....

Pat d
Pat d

Lee, Beckham and Cooks would all help this team.

WW85
WW85

@williamg1 Everything I've read about Cooks & OBJ is that they are both excellent route runners. Cooks played in a pro style WCO almost full time. OBJ played part time in a pro style.

a57se
a57se

@jaygo  

oh, FWIIW.....Stephen Hill is a really nice guy too.

a57se
a57se

@jaygo

The Jets also have a guy on staff who was at LSU the past two years who can provide intel on Mr. Beckham. I'm sure if he is a problem child, the Jets already know it.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @WW85  I don't think the Jets could go wrong either way. I personally love Cooks explosion, but I can see OBJ being a better fit. 



Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 They're comparable, that's all I was saying. 


And those 10 pounds are almost certainly the result of those longer arms/bigger hands. They're similarly built, both explosive, both dangerous with the ball in their hand. I honestly think people over-examine them as a pair. Either one would help this team considerably, imo. 

WW85
WW85

@Brendan @WW85  OBJ does have 2" in arm length advantage.  OBJ has bigger hands. Cooks is 1/10th faster.  Cooks jumps off the film at me. OBJ seems to be preferred by a lot of experts...I guess because LSU has such a strong pedigree. I just see an explosion waiting to happen on every play from Cooks.

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 I always go to the combine site. Even if it's slightly off, it's a baseline since they were all measured the same way. 

WW85
WW85

@Scott Berger-Felder @Brendan  The NFL site has OBJ @ 5-11 & Cooks @ 5-10. Unfortunately, it doesnt break it down any further, though someone has the exact somehwere.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1  That's just sick. Its like in 2009 when opposing QBs were just throwing the ball to spots where no one was -- all because he just wanted to throw it away because Rex's blitz packages. they'll be able to do that with just 4, while Dee and Dennard lock down the recievers at the line. 


Then you just resign Ed, and allow him to sit back there and pick off everything. 


Hahahaha. I'm getting way ahead of myself

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Him and Dee on the outside getting all handsy with WR's while the DL bears down on QB's? FULLY BONED. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1  I think all of that can be overcome with better coaching. Personally, he plays the CB position with the attitude of a bull. And I think that would be the perfect match for Rex and this defense. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 I saw it a lot of times as poor hand placement and technique, but good intent. If you slap a hand on a guy's shoulder to try and redirect him, it's likely he'll shake it and your natural tendency is to grab. If you slam the butt of your hand into his upper pectoral, different story and you're less likely to get an actual hold. 


I'll revisit his tape tonight and look specifically at this, since it does seem to be the biggest concern with him for a lot of people. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe I'm not, but there is a precedent for physical corners who beat up receivers to excel in the league without top-end speed (that last bit only applies to Sherman, Revis is really fast).