Daily Links: Well Deserved

  • Jets willing to extend Rex Ryan’s contract through 2015 [PFT]
  • Rex looks forward to playoff run in ’14 [ESPN NY]
  • Stephen Hill reiterates he will not need offseason knee surgery [The Star Ledger]
  • Richardson: I’m rookie of the year [ESPN NY]
  • 5 offseason issues facing the Jets [NY Post]
  • Geno Smith looking forward to stability during offseason [Metro]
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DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Breaking news: media stalks jets head coach Rex Ryan again while on vacation and finds out he has a tattoo of a sexy posing Idzik in a jets jeresy with Stephen hill's number on his ass.

Sorry hasn't been circusie enough for me.

Jim Welker
Jim Welker

Hill was a project based on the type of college offense he played in. To be fair, how does a raw talent develop under a crappy Sanchez in 2012 and an even worse Smith in 2013? Plus the injuries he had. He was open plenty of times for long completion but our QBs couldn't get the back to him. Hill was unlucky, if he was drafted by the Pats, Saints, Broncos, Packers, etc., he would have had a much different career by now. Look at what Brady did with Dobson and Thompkins.

nesboogie
nesboogie

1. Eric Ebron

2. Jordan Matthews or Davante Adams

3. Christian Jones

3. Best QB/OL/WR available.

nesboogie
nesboogie

We thought Stephen Hill was gonna turn out to be like Calvin or Demaryius lol

bradysucks
bradysucks

Lets just get this out of the way. Stephen Hill isn't good enough to be an NFL starter based on his pisss poor production the past 2 seasons.  He is as big of an embarrassment to the WR position at the NFL level as Mark Sanchez is to the QB position. He should be invited to training camp where he should have to PROVE he can make the team as a back up. He is not as good as Kerley or Nelson. The Jets need to draft a top WR and sign at least one quality free agent WR. That puts Hill as the team's 5th WR and that is assuming that Idzik doesn't re-sign Holmes at a bargain price (which could happen).


This team has great young talent and the arrow is pointing UP.....As for Sanchez, Hill, Gates, etc....It is long past time to MOVE ON from the guys who are still on the roster but have been terrible and unproductive when on the football field........If they're not producing throw them in the garbage and move on. Truth hurts....but it has to be said......


Guys like Geno, Millner, Winters etc were rookies and all of them finished the season showing improvement and making plays.....Winters gets at least 2 years to be judged and by the middle of next season we'll know if he can hang at the NFL level....


I've seen enough of Sanchez and Gates and Vlad......and Hill stinks of BUST

BDarc23
BDarc23

The Rex will only get a 1 year extension is not based on any concrete source... it's just the likely scenario.  These reporters have no legitimate sources into the Idzik regime and I love that.  On the NewYorkJets.com site from where DarrollRayFanClub posted that locker room video, there is also an interview with Woody where he says he and Idzik knew prior to the last few weeks that they were keeping Rex. Somhow all the sources were saying the opposite.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

2 QB's a vet and a rookie ,1 TE vet or rookie,2 WR a vet and a rookie, 1CB vet,1 S vet, 1ILB vet or rookie healthy Barnes and bring back Pace, 1 road grating G and then just depth as far as I'm concerned. I do't get the hate the backs get they did a great job this year and will only be a stronger group with a healthy Goodson.

To me WR and CB will be almost equal importance as the top needs.

__fense
__fense

@DrJonathanReefer A tattoo of Idzik in a sexy pose would actually be worrying. It would be Rex's third Sex scandal, but his first where the lover wasn't his wife that he has kids with.

a57se
a57se

@Jim Welker 

While I agree with you, it is pretty frustrating that we haven't seen more from him. I have been the driver of the Hill bandwagon from the beginning but even I had hoped to see more from him by now.

The difficult part is that the Jets shoved him into games before he was ready IMO, as very few 21 year olds have NFL bodies. He first hurt his knee the rookie season. Apparently Hills' knee condition will be addressed by strengthening the muscles around the joint now which kind of indicates the Jets rushed him back to playing before he was fully recovered as they knew early on in OTA's the knee was swelling and giving him problems.

The Jets lack of talent at WR hurt Hill in this regard as he was forced to play a ton of snaps with his knees acting up.

Looking at the situation the kid was put into makes it tougher for me to kill the kid but we need him healthy and to start dominating like his talent says he can.

juunit
juunit

@Jim Welker 

If the only way Hill can be a good player is by having a HOF QB throw him the ball, then he's not a very good player is he?

juunit
juunit

@nesboogie 

It's truly hilarious how many people discount Marqise Lee...


Though we'd have to trade up for him too.

marshrandy
marshrandy

@nesboogie that's what I want. I like BPA but adding a guy like Watkins completely transforms the offense. He's worth more wins than any other player we could add IMO

marshrandy
marshrandy

@bradysucks Glad you got it out of the way that Stephen Hill stinks. We were all thinking it but afraid to say anything

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Landry used to say if they don't get it by the end of their third year, cut them. Hill has one more chance by my count.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks Hill is on a rookie contract and is good enough to be in the rotation so I doubt he's going anywhere.

jaygo
jaygo

@bradysucks 


When you look at the 9-12 picks and all the cap room, is there any reason not to expect 5-7 new starters and deeper depth next season?  

BDarc23
BDarc23

You can't make me give up on Sanchez. I won't do it.

BDarc23
BDarc23

IMO WR is a much higher priority because I think that Milliner will be better and Cro will either be better or his replacement will be better(because he was ranked 109). I also think Coples and Richardson will improve and get more pressure which will also help the secondary. 

__fense
__fense

@juunit @Jim Welker He can still turn out to be a good player, but it does make sense that he would have developed faster with a better QB throwing him the ball.

JETS_
JETS_

@juunit@nesboogieIm on the lee bandwagon......kid is a playmaker, injury riddled senior year may have him fall to us but then again he just crushed it his bowl game. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit

Picking 18th makes it more improbable that Lee will be there. 

While there is no use crying over spilled milk, if we were 11, we would have a shot at Lee.......We'd have to trade our 1st, 3rd (TB) and 4th round pick to move up to 11......we would still have picks in the 3rd (ours) and 4th (Comp) but I don't know if he is worth that much. 

If Beckham, Jr. or Benjamin does well in workouts, combine etc. they could easily end up being a good pick at 18. Maybe even trade down a little to take one of them?

joemustgo
joemustgo

@Jeff E. Guy We kept waiting for Sanchez to suddenly get it, so I'm not terribly optimistic that Hill will, either.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@johnnyl65@bradysucks


Hill = suckage at WR


Move on......He has done ZERO - He isn't good....show me any stats that say he is a good WR when compared to his NFL peers at WR......


Hill gets a tryout.....He doesn't deserve a roster spot on the Jets unless he earns it.......Show me don't tell me

BDarc23
BDarc23

He is not going anywhere but BS is probably correct in that he'll be the 5th WR on the depth chart

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jaygo@bradysucks


Exactly.....and I do HOPE for a different looking roster on offense.


I posted this comment because a portion of this blog has been irrationally loyal to guys like Sanchez, Vlad, Hill, Gates etc etc. These are the faces of the embarrassing team that was the 2012 Jets and they need to go......If they haven't shown they can play by now they likely never will.


We see with guys like Alshon Jeffrey, Keenan Allen, Sheldon Richardson etc etc that it doesn't take 3 plus years for guys to show whether or not they belong in the NFL

bradysucks
bradysucks

@BDarc23


I haven't given up on Sanchez (as far as his sucking at football goes while providing great entertainment - aka comedy). I know he will always provide great entertainment from the Fu Man Chu to the Buttfumble to the Corn Rows to the nude videos with hot chicks.....Keep Sanchez on the Jets .....I haven't given up on him either (lol)

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@BDarc23 Barnes was also a scry pass rusher before he got injured. I don't know that Cro walks away from money to resign I expect him to be much better healthy but I don't see him back. That's why CB is so important on my list,Milliner is getting better by leaps and bounds but has a ways to go before he's consistent enough to cover ones.

a57se
a57se

@juunit

Teams can certainly build through he draft and I would argue that is the ONLY way to build a long term winning team. I am not sold that Idzik is the guy to do that but I sure do hope he is.

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit 

Bengals have done it the last few years and the Packers are almost entirely made up of their own draft picks. 

It's not impossible. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit

How many teams draft THAT well? NONE!

Oh, they get lucky now and then and have a great draft but no one consistently drafts that good.

Hopefully we have one of those All-time drafts this time around!

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit 

Lee is a certified #1. But, I'm really never a fan of trading up, especially since we have lots of holes to fill. 

If you draft well, you may not get the very best player since you didn't trade up, but 3 starters is better than 1. 

__fense
__fense

@Brendan @marshrandy If I recall, Geno Smith was a top-10 candidate this time last year. I don't see the point of getting into specifics of trading up and down for players this early.

nesboogie
nesboogie

@marshrandy @nesboogie It does, I'm w/ you. Unless Idzik can find a way to trade up for the right price, I'm all for it.  Chances of that are slim to none.

Brendan
Brendan

@marshrandy Watkins is now a top-10 candidate. You're giving up a lot more than just an additional 3rd to move up almost 10 picks into that range. 

marshrandy
marshrandy

@nesboogie @marshrandy I guess but if you draft Watkins then David Nelson and Jeremy Kerley start looking a lot better with him taking the pressure off

nesboogie
nesboogie

@marshrandy @nesboogie Yea we're too devoid of talent on O for us to trade one of our top 4 picks. This draft is loaded w/ WRs. I'd take my chance on getting one of those talented WRs in the other rounds

__fense
__fense

@Brendan @bradysucks I agree with both you and Bradysucks here, he's not fully developed, and deserves a shot, but his shot can be earned by being at least the 5th or 6th best receiver on the team. if he can't do that at the beginning of year three, then I don't see how he can be actually decent at the end of year 3. Give him the chance, and I'll keep on assuming that he'll earn the roster spot and develop into something good, but if he doesn't, there's other WRs out there.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@BDarc23


I DISAGREE. Plenty of us were in disbelief that Keenan Allen fell in the draft. He was hyped as a 1st round talent at WR and was dominant in college. It was also a no brainer to take Alshon Jeffrey in the draft ahead of Stephen Hill. One guy made no plays and was from a non-professional/run 1st pre-historic offense and the other guy was dominant and far more productive and polished.


Now I do think that the 2013 draft was a good draft for the Jets. I am happy with who we drafted. My only point is that it is long overdue to start drafting guys on offense who can score who aren't projects. If you go back and read the Jets blog prior to the 2013 draft I talked about the fact that Stedman Bailey, Cordarelle Patterson, Tavon Austin, Keenan Allen were all players the Jets needed to look at. I also said that Stephen Hill wasn't a starting NFL caliber receiver......


At some point the Jets need to make scoring a priority.....and I think this offseason Idzik will bring in some firepower.....The Jets need it on offense

BDarc23
BDarc23

Hitting on Alshon Jeffrey and Keenan Allen takes luck.  How many of the 1st and 2nd round picks are busts every year?

bradysucks
bradysucks

Those are all good points Brendan.

My point though is that the Jets need to bring in guys who have already proven they can play and be productive WR's at the NFL.....guys who can take over games on offense. The Jets also need to draft players who were dominant at the college level against elite competition. It makes no sense to me to pass on drafting WR's like Keenan Allen, Stedman Bailey, Alshon Jeffrey etc and instead go after guys like Hill in the early rounds of the draft based on the hope that they can dominate at the NFL level despite not being able to dominate in college. It does happen occasionally, but most of the time you should take a blue chip prospect in rounds 1 and 2 of the draft.....especially when there are no other dominant playmakers on offense....

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Let's be fair. Vernon Gholston cost the team MILLIONS of dollars and was the #6 overall pick. 


Hill is a 2nd round project who has cost the team nothing by comparison. 


I agree the team should not rely on Hill anymore and bring in new talent to compete, but you don't give up on a 23 year old WR with his speed/size, either. He was always said to be a 3-4 year project, and it's year 3. 


If he doesn't show significant improvement this year, then you can move on, but not yet. It's still too soon. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks @johnnyl65 I find it funny that you name Nicks who is always injured and if the Giants let him go it's because they feel he's lost something. At this point I don't see Nicks as an up grade Hill still is on a rookie deal an Nicks will get money based solely on past performance. No thanks.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@johnnyl65@bradysucks


Hill hasn't proven anything. Bring in some legitimate competition. Draft a stud WR in round 1 and sign a free agent like Eric Decker or Hakeem Nicks. The let Hill compete with those guys as well as Kerley, Nelson, Holmes (assuming the Jets re-sign him at the veteran minimum) etc...etc..


Against real competition Hill is a nobody.....He hasn't been able to hang at the NFL level. He didn't produce in college either....and in high school he wasn't an elite prospect.....


He is the Vernon Gholston of wide receivers....

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@bradysucks @johnnyl65 Although his stats prove you out he obviously has proven himself to the coaches at least in camp and practice and I try to judge what I think will happen by how the coaches behave not what I feel.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@BDarc23 I don't disagree he's shown nothing to put him in the front of  the rotation.