Daily Links: Who let the ‘dogs out?

  • Vegas favors Jets in just three games next season [Jets Official Site]
  • The Jets are “setting Geno Smith up for failure” [NFL.com]
  • Wilkerson welcomes first son [Metro]
  • Marty: Offense is “light years ahead” of where it was last year [The Star-Ledger]
  • More Marty: Hill has “looked just excellent so far” [The Star-Ledger]
  • Nice write-up on the OTA session earlier this week [Jets Insider]



188 comments
Simon Gribben
Simon Gribben

FOOTBALL COURAGE-"BOOKENDS"  Da Pliars's song "BOOKENDS" becomes the bedrock for this essay on the courage required to play this game. Just another LOVE STORY with a violent twist. Steve Sabol of NFL Films let me do 2 pieces in the mid 90s. Steve rejected both but you can now see them. This is the 1st, the 2nd is a Big Boys Ballet. Coming soon to you on some device.

https://vimeo.com/96831381

Dublin Watchhowimove
Dublin Watchhowimove

I told everbody about stephen hill u cant write off young talent he was a project when he came in now u got two deep ball qb and his second year oc thats going to put stephen hill in the right places to make plays and hes a run blocking wr sky is the limit for him

BDarc23
BDarc23

Vegas read about the OTAs in the daily links and now favor the Jets in 16 games.

jdb4
jdb4

Is the headline of this topic alluding to Michael Vick in some bizarre way...

maynard
maynard

Folks, when Hill came in everyone said 2-3 yrs , that was the expectation. In his first year he had the worst QB in the League( go ahead , now say sanchez wasn't) in his second yr he was injured most of the year, had to learn a new offense and had a rookie QB who was not the worst but near the bottom of the pile in most categories.  if healthy, this could and should be the year he urns it on. too soon to give up on a 6'5" WR with his speed and is only 23.

mrblint
mrblint

Like most on the blog I have been extremely disappointed by Hill. However, as I look more specifically at what has happened to him since his rookie year, I am not sure I have been fair. First he was clearly a project coming from the Georgia Tech program - where the pass was an afterthought. Second he was so young. I think he is still just 23. So given those two things we would expect it to take him a year or two just to become familiar enough with the system to be able to just play instinctively. So in his first 2 seasons I would still be disappointed because he showed no improvement from one year to the next. However, this could be due to going from the Sparano disaster to a real offense as run by Morninwig. I would have to admit that as a very young player , this would be a very difficult, albeit a positive, transition. But more significant is the fact that he has had injury issues. Specifically Knee issues with swelling and pain ever since midway thru his rookie season (maybe earlier). When I tried to figure out the specific nature of his injuries, most of the info on-line seemed incomplete and contradictory. He supposedly had a sprained LCL in 2012  (LCL damage is much less common than MCL) but later last year I read articles that referred to his having had surgery to repair the LCL in Dec 2012. LCL surgery is usually required if there is a tear or rupture not for a sprain or stretch of the ligament. So did he have a tear? I haven't found anything definitive - heck , the articles that cited the surgery even seemed to be vague and non-definitive. This much I do know, if he had surgery on his ligament in December - it was pretty remarkable that he was actually participating in practice 6 months later. In fact, that would sort of explain all the knee swelling last year and you have to wonder what the medical staff was thinking putting him on the field 6 months later.. Anyway - it sound s like he is now  healthy so maybe Marty's observations are a sign that he is back on track.. only time will tell.

privatejet
privatejet

Historically, the Jets have been pretty terrible at developing quarterbacks and it looks like that insane tradition will continue this year. I guess Tajh Boyd's gonna get a shot next year....

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@joemustgo Thanks for posting this; just saw it on ESPN. Not gonna lie.....started to tear up.

t__k
t__k

@Bent Dowling is a good sleeper pick IMO.  I think he has a chance to make some contributions this year.

gbrownn
gbrownn

I think he's been in the perfect position to make plays. He should have been able to shine on a team so devoid of weapons, but he dissappeared, literally dissapeared.

Bent
Bent moderator

@maynard I wonder if the fact he had such a great first game served to reset expectations which has been a negative in the long run.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@maynard if he turns it around, I would offer him a contract for 10 years, lol, at 6' 5" and growing, with his speed and leaping ability, you don't see athletes like that often. Last one was Randy Moss, imagine if he turns out to be half the threat Moss was.  I wonder if his stride is longer now, making his straight line speed faster.

Bytor
Bytor

@jaygo I've come to despise the ticker. If I want to check scores it takes me two seconds on my phone. I really don't need to see the score of the Jags/Titans game over and over and over and over. Chalk up this innovation as cool when it started but outlived its usefulness. Kinda like Tebow.

Bent
Bent moderator

@jaygo Great comment from "failover":


"SNY's number looks a lot better when you consider that the alternative would be to have the Mets take up more of the screen."

gbrownn
gbrownn

@mrblint It really is so difficult to find out what his injuries really are. usually when a guy is shut down the team gives a specific injury. For 2 years with him it was "knee swelling" which could be a lot of things. Also add onto the fact that he has never had surgery in the leaugue.  I don't understand the secrecy behind it.

cosmicwy
cosmicwy

@privatejet hsahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahah.... boyd next year.  damn you funny

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So there can't be any actual reporting anymore? You either fluff the team or bash it? 


This is a nice article about a guy you should probably take the time to know. He was brought in on a tryout and almost immediately signed to the roster. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Bent @maynard


The Jets' desperate need for an explosive receiver over the last two years, combined with all the talk of Hill's 'potential' was more likely what raised both expectations and impatience,  


Lost in between the hype and the hope was the fact that Hill wasn't a proven commodity coming out of college, didn't have the production say of Jace Amaro, nor did he come from a system that relied on and helped him develop as a receiver.  


As such, he was all potential and little else, and changing offensive systems and the challenges at QB, as well as the injuries, have prevented him from fulfilling that potential.  


Trouble is, you can only carry the burden of 'potential' so long before it buries you.   I actually think he will step up and get it done this year, but I have no more patience with him if he doesn't.  Time for Hill to move the needle or move on. 



gbrownn
gbrownn

@Bent Was his first game really all that impressive? When I watch that game and I see more bad D than I see impressive play from Hill. Just my 2 cents.

bob
bob

@joemustgo @1969JAN12th 


Awe man wow. I'm so blind to others needs. But God knows and therefor I pray for Dominic Moore that the good lord will intercede and heal his deepest need.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Bent @gbrownn That photo is a microcosm of Sanchez's entire career. His vision/awareness is sub subpar...

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Bent Theres more examples of him being covered. Every QB misses open WRs you know that.

gbrownn
gbrownn

Lost inbetween the hype of his combine performance and Megatron playing at GT was that he simply should not have been drafted where we took him. I'd be fine with Hill if he was a true mid round "project" guy, but the fact that we gave up assets and other (better) prospects is what drives me and other fans crazy

Bent
Bent moderator

@gbrownn I'll take "not all that impressive" if it translates to those kind of numbers on a regular basis.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Tequila Joe I wonder if in the future some witty coach will put radio sets in the helmets of the QB's and Receivers..lol, QB1 This is Receiver 3, I'm wide open, throw over here, lol, QB would look like Joe Montana..lol

Brendan
Brendan

@gbrownn As someone who goes to most/all of the home games, it happens far more often than you probably think. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@gbrownn 

That's fair.  But it is water under the bridge now and the Hill bashing should settle down.

He was put in a tough spot when he was ask to start right away and be a #1 WR and his injuries haven't helped either.  But I hear so much every day about how he is a bust or a washed up has been.

He's 24 and should have always been regarded as a 3 yr prospect.  Last yr it would have been nice to see a big jump, but it didn't happen.  But I do think that there was improvement before his knee started bothering him.  I will hold off any judgement on him untill after the season and hopefully he can make the jump.


Geno to Hill....TD.....Get used to it!

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Bent As would I, but they didn't. So that would strengthen my case that his first game was more a product of bad D than it was impressive play. He hasn't done anything of the sort since. And it can be argued that his game this year was a product of terrible D from Justin Rogers.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Brendan Maybe, but if that was the case then that would mean the coaches see it too. But Hill actually got phased out of the offense as the year went on. MM drew up a lot more backside clear out routes for him (basically the last option) f he was open and Geno was missing him. I would think they would make it more of a effort to get him the ball and not phase the kid out.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@jsadolph I know his outside factors have not been the best. But to me that doesn't change Hill the player. He still has to get more consistent catchin with his hand(with the pads on). Be more physical with little DBs and just developing an overall awareness of the game. I'm not bashing I dont think, Im just giving my assessment of Hill the player. If he comes out and does a 180 I'll be the first to admit maybe I passed judgement to soon and maybe go buy his jersey.

Bent
Bent moderator

@gbrownn I think the most impressive he's looked was when he came up with a couple of big catches on the final drive in Atlanta.  

Brendan
Brendan

@gbrownn Yup, and I think that's what the coaches have in mind when they talk up Hill. He's shown an ability to get open, which is half of the game of a WR. 


And he didn't get phased out, that's kind of a misnomer. He got hurt (or wore down, however you want to phrase it) and had a big dip in production/targets that coincided with Geno's big dip (November). 


With Geno (and Mark, to a degree) I think it was simply a situation where they'd look at Hill early, he'd be covered, and then they wouldn't progress back to him in their reads, so they'd never see him once he got open. I'm basing that solely on how often and how open he would get sometimes. It's not all the time, obviously, but some games it was definitely noticeable from the stands. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@gbrownn 

I was not intending to bash you in particular.  I was just speaking of the constant bashing that I hear.  I seams to be a little overboard.

I seem to remember when he got drafted that everyone was in consensus that he was a 3 yr prospect.  Then after a few rough games, there were a lot of people throwing out the bust word.

Short term memory is fun to lose, but not as fun to live with.


gbrownn
gbrownn

@Bent I swear to God if someone would ask me what Hills most impressive play as a Jet was. It would be the drag route on that final drive. Caught and secured the ball, turned upfield and made 2 people miss for the first down. Probably the only example of his career of him doing that.If he did more of that I would be singing a compltelty different tune trust me. I havent seen enough of that to keep putting blind faith in his combine performance and age.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@Brendan I would hate the coaches if they knowingly kept putting his gimpy knees out there. If he's too hurt to be productive, then why play him. Having his one dimensional skillset out there hurt the offense. It got to a point where thats all MM could do with him. Once Hill was out of the lineup we actually looked like a viable NFL offense. I dont think that a coincedence. It really annoys me that nobody wants to get specific with his injuries, "knee swelling" is too basic. 

gbrownn
gbrownn

@jsadolph Yeah that drop in the NE game def soured a couple fans on him. But who can blame them ya know? You trade up for a 6'4 freak you expect him to produce

__fense
__fense

@gbrownn Did you see our receiving corps last year? We were starting multiple guys that we picked up off the street mid-season because there were a bunch of injuries. People play hurt in the NFL, and if it wasn't him, it would be a backup TE playing WR or something.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@_fense I don't get your point. All of those guys we picked up off the street produced more than him also. Im saying if he was too hurt to play then dont play him. He played injured and didnt do didly poo, that hurts the team.

gbrownn
gbrownn

@a57se Oh yeah I forgot, 2-3 year "project" Whatver that means. Fans want production or any signs of improvement, Hill has shown neither. This is it for him.