Daily Links: Young at Heart

  • Michael Vick doesn’t want anybody with Jets to think he’s old [Newsday]
  • After ‘terrible mental mountain climb,’ Patterson gets his chance [Star-Ledger]
  • Jets Agree: Great Time to Be a Sports Fan [NY Jets]
  • Jace Amaro frustrated by struggles to learn Jets’ offense [Star-Ledger]
  • Secondary a primary concern for Jets [NY Daily News]



85 comments
Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

I just wish that Vick would make up his mind about his status... He flips on his stance literally every other day.  As of right now, he is the backup until further notice.  He can be a great help to Geno, but as of right now, at least pertaining to the media, he has been a hindrance to Smith. 

juunit
juunit

LOL at the contradicting quotes in the Amaro article.

"I'm just struggling with the mental aspect right now."

"I haven't seen him make one mental error yet."

gbrownn
gbrownn

I like what I'm hearing about Ford coming out of camp. He's been the WR at camp not named Decker apparently. Excited to see how he plays out. More so than any of the other WRs. World class speed babayy

tsjc68
tsjc68

A few years back, when they had the best pass defense in football, the Jets had Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie at cornerback.


Now that they're gone, they've been replaced by Dee Milliner (who missed a few games due to injury), Dimitri Patterson (who missed a few games due to injury) and nobody else.  There are only two cornerbacks under contract for the Jets, so if Milliner and Patterson don't play perfectly, the Jets are screwed because there's nobody at all behind them.  Nobody.


Sincerely,

The New York Daily News

kniff
kniff

Good morning,


Its seems there are concerns with Milliner, Barns, Goodson, and Amaro...


Lets hope for only the best for all of the above.


(gulp)

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer There's only one thing we should be worrying about right now:


When will A.J. Edds finally pick a jersey number?  WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, EEEEEEEEEEDS?!?!?!??!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit

This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@tsjc68 That's not true, hopefully they won't get hurt, but there is some depth at corner back.  Wilson had his lapses but shows potential, he was picked in the first round for a reason, Mcdougal shows promise, and Rex likes him, compared him to Revis..lol, Dowling when healthy can be solid, Walls can be solid, Lankster pretty decent.  I hope Miliner stays healthy other then that any of the other players can play opposite Miliner.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@tsjc68


"Oh NO - we are screwed"


Sincerely,


Joey


"I said this would happen years ago when the Jets fired Mangini."


Sincerely,


Hank

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff Why is there a gulp? 


Barnes is a luxury and a specialized player, the team still has plenty of edge presence without him. With him the pass rush could be scary, but without him it can still be pretty damn scary. I'll personally miss him spasming pre-snap if he's not on the team (I think he will be, Rex isn't the best with injuries). 


Mililner rode a bike, relax. 


Goodson might not make the team, that does stink. Except the Jets signed CJ and Richardson, who do what Goodson does, so...crisis averted. 


Amaro is a rookie, were you expecting a clean sheet for him during the offseason? The guy has great hands, he'll catch more consistently when he's more comfortable in the offense, which he started learning less than a month ago. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer Well, he had 3 drops yesterday. If I had to guess, I'd say they were probably concentration lapses, the guy has some soft mitts so his hands aren't a real concern. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Pablo Bruno @tsjc68 

I know, I was making fun of the fact that the NYDN article above pretty much ignores all that good depth you just listed.


(And it's "McDougle".)

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Brendan @kniff If Barnes doesn't play, I would like give Trevor Reilly an opportunity in that spot, I think he would do good, he's aggressive and shows good acceleration.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Sorry Brendan no "RELAXING " about Milner....Patterson sucks & will NEVER stay healthy ( just like David Garrad, slighty better ) I've been saying since the idiotic move not to sign Revis, that amongst the numerous problems that situation presented was the Milner is the number one guy assumption. Yes, Milner played very well for the final month of the season, & he may very well have the skill set to be a lock down/press type CB that Rex's system revolves around, but only if he can stay on the field. Milner has had an assortment of nagging injuries through out his college & now pro career. Everyone ( on this site ) answer, well he never missed playing time in college. The problem with this logic, is that in college, playing lesser caliber players Milner could get away with it, trust me it ain't gonna happen in the pros. What will happen in the pro's is Riddle streaming up the right sideline w/Milner running after him, about 7 yards behind...Patterson is a pipe dream, Mike Westoff tells you this, but why listen? Wanna be an optimist, pray that that 3rd TD draft pick is the steal of the draft, Dexter better be something

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@tsjc68 @Pablo Bruno sorry didn't catch that..lol, weren't you who corrected me the other time? I said Mcdougle last time, and you told me it was McDougal, ahh, Micky D, that's what I'll call him. It would be nice if Mc D can play opposite Milliner, in other words if he can earn that spot, it would be beautiful.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bobbyj

Patterson is a pipe dream, Mike Westoff tells you this, but why listen? 


I respect Mike Westhoff's opinion about special teams.  About the base offense and defense?  No, not so much.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bobbyj


Patterson sucks & will NEVER stay healthy


Wrong on both counts.

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj Dude, stop being so extreme and you'll be taken more seriously. 


Patterson does not suck. Patterson has stayed healthy for multiple seasons, he's gotten hurt the last two. It's actually the subject of a new post on TJB, if you care to read it. 


The move not to sign Revis was not idiotic, the guy went behind the team's back to find a team that would pay him $16 million, and the team was happy to oblige a me-first person like that. See ya, no room for that type of stuff on this team anymore. 


Milliner never missed a college game, he missed 3 last year. Stop acting like he's Sean Lee, please. And you can't play hurt and get away with it in the SEC, which is a funnel of NFL talent. 


Patterson is a pipe dream? Why? Because you mistakenly think he's "NEVER" healthy and don't take the time to research your comment? 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Wasn't joking? 


He had a tight hamstring and was told to ride a bike as a precaution. That is nothing to get worked up over. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer  And that's fair. I have no worries about his hands, at all. And I assume Marty and his team will be working night and day to downlaod as much of the playbook into Amaro as possible. Also, it's June. He's been studying Marty's playbook (which I imagine is rather large) for 3, maybe 4 weeks. Struggling to grasp all of that thing is to be expected for anyone, let alone a rookie. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Dr. Jonathan Reefer

Dragon's Blood Punch recipe (from the Mixology app):


1 Gallon Bacardi 151 Proof Rum

1 Gallon Vodka

3 Packages Kool-Aid

2 Bottles of Mountain Dew


Mix in a large punch bowl, add ice, and serve in punch cups.


LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE THE OFFICIAL DRINK OF BRENDAN'S KOOL AID KLUBHOUSE.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 So I guess it's a good thing he won't be holding out, then? And will be at camp from the get-go, and will be with the team working out all summer? 


One practice of a tight hamstring, stop exaggerating. 

a57se
a57se

@kniff 

Kick back, relax and drink the Kool Aid....all is swell in Florham Park!

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff Well, you didn't list them, and no, you don't have to worry about Colon. He'll be back in 3-4 weeks, max. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong Yeah, but they're very soft and he is a natural pass catcher. I guess I shouldn't say "no worries," but I'm confident in his ability to catch the football. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

And then he'll be injuried again in about 3-4 weeks after he returns from that...Colon is a backup/rotational player at this point in his career, which is ok if, Dozer, the Staten Island dude or anyone else steps up & rotates in

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @kniff And even if he's not back until 7-8 weeks, still not something to be concerned about.  


Week 1 vs. Oakland is still 14 weeks away.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 He could have a knee scope on his other knee and be back earlier than 7-8 weeks, but yeah, the point remains the same...the season starts in more than three months. There is no reason to panic yet, about anything. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 He wasn't placed on IR last year, he got hurt in the last game. He isn't rehabbing his upper body anymore, he hurt himself doing workout drills to get in shape to begin practicing (signifying he was ready to come back). 


His knee injury isn't serious, it's a cartilage issue. As someone with cartilage issues in both knees, I can firmly state that it's an irritating pain, but one that a guy like Colon can easily play through. 


But it's good to see we're onto Joey Overreaction #3 of today, and technically this one started before 9am also. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jake100 @tsjc68 @Brendan @kniff


A vet at his age who was on IR  the last 4 seasons, 


He was on IR three of the last four seasons, not four of the last four.  And the third IR stint (2012) was only the last month of the season to open a spot for Rashard Mendenhall who was returning from injury.  He played in 11 games that year.


And he played in all 16 games for us in 2013.


and who currently is rehabbing upper AND lower body injuries


He's not rehabbing the tricep any more, is he?


and misses most of training camp is no concern?


It's June, he's not missed any of training camp yet, because training camp is in August, not June.


Call me when it's August.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68


The season starts in more than three months. There is no reason to panic yet, about anything. 


Nothing to add, just wanted to repeat that louder so that everyone heard it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Marcus Armstrong @tsjc68


Are you asking whether the 2nd percentile or the 17th percentile are about medium?  (It's not clear from how this conversation is threaded).


If that is what you're asking then, no, being in the 2nd percentile essentially means you're in the bottom 2% of all tight ends (and obviously 17th means he's in the bottom 17% of all receivers).


So his hands are comparatively very small for a pass catcher.

harold
harold

@tsjc68

He's not rehabbing the tricep any more, is he?

No, He was already taking part in the off-season program prior to injury.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples 

Hank, he had a whopping 12 catches last season .....and he averaged 20.3 yards per catch.

This mans you are predicting he'll catch 24 balls and average over 25 yards per catch?

I thought you thought the ol' Vickeno was gonna be the QB?



Bent
Bent moderator

@Hanknaples Decker was 2nd in the entire NFL at catching balls more than 20 yards down the field and Hakim and Ford are faster than Gates (not to mention the potential of the rookies).  There are some other candidates to at least be discussed as legitimate deep threats.


The days of Antonio Cromartie being our best deep threat are hopefully behind us.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yeah, Bent, 57 was just openly mocking someone who was wrong. Nothing to see here. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent 


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat


Gates is the only legitimate deep threat

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They don't measure such things, as you are well aware. 


Is your argument that soft hands don't exist? That Amaro doesn't have them? Or there's no way for me to support this claim? 


At least you didn't deny you posted in this discussion solely to mock someone, though. Cheers. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I was mocking Mr. Know it all tsjc68 and his medium comment on Amaro's hands......Big deal!

I am also mocking you for your ridiculous homer comment about Amaros' soft hands.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se How is it a homer comment, 57? 


"uses his large, soft mitts to attack the ball in the air."


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1860917/jace-amaro


"He can use his length and soft hands to extend for the ball. "


http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/02/2014-nfl-draft-close-up-texas-tech-tight-end-jace-amaro.html


". It also helps that Amaro has soft hands that can catch the ball and runs his routes well,"


http://www.vivathematadors.com/2014/5/1/5667418/nfl-draft-profile-jace-amaro


"used his large, soft hands to attack the ball in the air"


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119366&draftyear=2014&genpos=TE


" Good hands to extend and catch."


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/jace-amaro?id=2543481


I win. Oh, and the best part is that you didn't bother reading the "Strengths" portion of the page you cut/pasted from, because that's the first link I posted, which contradicts itself by saying he has "soft mitts." 


Did you see the part about you not proving your point? I highlighted it for you. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

WEAKNESSES: Lacks elite bulk and muscle definition for the position. Shows some ankle and lower body stiffness, lacking elite flexibility. Doesn't have the softest hands and will have some drops off his palms. Allows his pads to get too high in his routes and needs to stay low and show better dip and body balance in his breaks - needs to do a better job hiding his intended path until the final moment.

Doesn't always play up to his size as a route-runner and can't let defenders knock him from his path.

Needs to develop a nastier demeanor as a blocker and improve his hand placement - will get caught holding. Room to improve his ball security when fighting for extra yards. Primarily an inside slot receiver in college and wasn't asked to be a consistent inline blocker.

Some durability concerns after missing six games in 2012 after an upper body injury (grade-3 lacerated spleen) that caused internal bleeding. Needs to keep his emotions in check on the field - ejected from the bowl game in 2012 after punching an opponent. Some minor off-field character concerns after a March 2012 arrest for credit card fraud.

COMPARES TO: Rob Housler, TE, Arizona Cardinals - Amaro and Housler are both tall, well-built targets who are still developing but the natural tools are intriguing and project high ceilings in the NFL.

Notice the part about Amaro's "soft hands". I highlighted it for you.......