Daily Links: Young blood

  • Serby drops his mock. [NY Post]
  • Who could the Jets take in rounds four through seven? [NewYorkJets]
  • How many games will the Jets win in 2014? [NFLN]
  • Some Jets presented a Play 60 check. [NewYorkJets]
  • Rex talked about the Jets at a recent benefit. [NYDN]
  • Former foe Earl Morrall passed away this week. [NewYorkJets]




109 comments
borisjets
borisjets

1. Sign Santonio Holmes

2. Draft CB round 1

3. Draft TE rd 2

4. Draft pass rusher rd 3

5. go to playoffs!

WW85
WW85

If we redo the 2013 draft where would Keenan Allen go? He'd easily be top 10 and the first WR picked. Instead he went 3rd round and the 8th WR. Cody Latimer's draft profile reads very similar to Allen. But Latimer is faster and a better blocker. Allen had played better competition.

Cordell C
Cordell C

Most underrated fa move this year is the jets signing jacoby ford eliminates the need to reach for the speed receiver that all the experts are mocking to us get some secondary help in the first round or ebron if he drops we can get a guy like moncrief Robinson after round one I have faith in our gm to have a successful draft playoffs here we come

jimjets
jimjets

ok....jumping in


thought about this alot and said it earlier.


hoping we do by rounds


1) best WR

2) best TE

3) best CB

4) S, OLB, G or QB prospect


BPA or need rest of the way.


so if out of that group we actually draft a WR and TE who become real contributors, and 2 or 3 more kids who pan out...


we have to give up on the idea of winning games 10-7.

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@borisjets  I absolutely would not like the idea of signing Holmes and just ignoring to draft a WR in the deepest WR class in years

Cordell C
Cordell C

What about fs I would like Holmes back doubt it happens though

borisjets
borisjets

@WW85  Keenan Allen was rated as a top 15 pick b4 last years draft.

juunit
juunit

@a57se  

So, who am I suppose to believe when it comes to Bridgewater? The people who say he's got a weak arm that's accurate? Or the guys who say he's got a strong arm that's inaccurate? 

borisjets
borisjets

@Cordell C  I really think we should sign Holmes and draft WR next year, and give Hill 1 more year.

Brendan
Brendan

@borisjets WW's point is that he should've been ranked #1, or close to it. 

WW85
WW85

I'm feeling some slight sympathy from you A57. Maybe Latimer is moving up your board too? By draft day maybe he'll be your #1? I'll keep working on it. LOL

borisjets
borisjets

But we need a CB badly, or else we will lose games 2-7. All the FA CBs have been signed. Holmes is still available.

dgdg
dgdg

And Joe Klecko!

Cordell C
Cordell C

Yea but limited roster spots

Cordell C
Cordell C

Bart Scott said that reed was going to take his time and make sure his body was right before he makes a decision on if he plays this year

Cordell C
Cordell C

Keller should be cheap I wouldn't be mad at idzik if he made these moves but we would need someone to block from the te position

Cordell C
Cordell C

@57 I rather have Ed Reed back but not as a starter have him teach the young corners and the fs we draft this year

Cordell C
Cordell C

I like Keller but after his bad injury last year I don't know how healthy/effective he will be this year I like lyerla from Oregon too with one of those 6th round comp picks

WW85
WW85

The experts were obv wrong about Allen by waiting until the 3rd round. They may be wrong about Latimer as well

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And why couldn't this have been your original comment? Would've saved us both some worthless arguing. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Ugh. For someone who doesn't hesitate to tell people he's smarter than them, you really are dense. 


I said that if he's open to coaching, his issue of guys poking the ball out from behind can be fixed. 


You said that he's been in the league four years, so shouldn't he have received coaching by now. 


I replied with an example of a veteran, years into his career, doing exactly what you're asking about. 


Somehow I'm illogical in all of this. Okay. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, if someone doesn't make an absolute statement you can't provide evidence to disprove what they're saying? Got it. 



And your dig about absolute statements is laughable and baseless, you're just being petty at this point and saying anything. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se How else do you disprove something besides providing contrary evidence? 


You need to stop putting words in my mouth. 


Show me where I am passing it off as a done deal? 


It's a mechanical flaw in how he carries the ball, it is a relatively easy fix in principle. Whether he is able to change his game at this stage is a different question, but the fix isn't difficult. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  


"Let's only take undrafted Free Agent QB's then since Tony Romo and Kurt Warner were both found that way!! "


It's absurd how childish you become when someone disproves some point you try to make. No one is saying anything remotely close to what you posted there, I don't even know how to address that. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  It took me 3 seconds to think of an example of an established player changing part of his game to fill in a hole. 


So I guess the same coaches who taught Tiki to do that simply weren't coaching him in the years prior, when they were still his coaches, but he was fumbling? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se How many years was Tiki Barber in the league before he changed the way he carried the ball to reduce fumbling? 


Okay then. 

Cordell C
Cordell C

Dude runs a sub 4.3 40 he can also be our home run threat at wr

Brendan
Brendan

@marc55 IIRC, many of his fumbles came when guys got him from behind (when Ford would slow down to let blocking set up or whatever). That's a relatively easy mechanical fix, he just needs to be open to coaching. 

marc55
marc55

@a57se @BrendanFumbling problems can be fixed, but I agree that it is a concern.  If the guy is healthy, and he does not fumble a lot, he is by far the best KR on the roster at the moment, and he is a fine complimentary piece as a 4th or 5th WR.  If he cannot hang onto the ball, or if he gets hurt, they are paying him next to nothing anyway.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's including punt returns, which he's less likely to do. He had a fumble once in every 22 touches as a kick returner. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Besides the fumbles (which you overblow), is there any reason he isn't the best KR on the team right now? 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @juunit  71% comp. and only 4 ints. directly disputes the lack of accuracy claim. Anticipation maybe ,accuracy false.

marc55
marc55

@a57se @marc55I actually do not have any idea if he does, my statement was based off a statement you made earlier "He is basically semi-retired. I would think after thirty + years the grind takes its' toll."  So, thank you for bashing your own earlier opinion as being biased.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se As is dismissing the young guy because he's young. 

marc55
marc55

@a57se @Brendan"the guy has 30+ years doing it and gets paid to consult now and he writes for a couple different sites. He is basically semi-retired. I would think after thirty + years the grind takes its' toll......."

Who should we trust, the old guy, who does not have enough energy left to actually be a scout, or the young guy, who works his ass off to make a name for himself?


Both have value and both should be listened to.

marc55
marc55

@a57se @__fense@brendanI really should not jump into such a ridiculous argument, but you're comparing Lawyers to Scouts who watch a game for a living?


"What I do is I see what they said, then I go to the film and try and see if I can see the same thing."  Nothing Juunit has said differs from this.

"I am not getting after juunit for disagreeing with scouts, i am getting after juunit because he is so rigid about it."  He merely voiced his opinion, and he is open to multiple analyst opinions, versus you who is essentially bashing him for disagreeing with your chosen analyst.

"There is no opinion with juunit, only his way of looking at things............"  Wow.  Irony, anyone?

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan  From personal experience, the coaches tape doesn't help much more than the TV footage in terms of evaluating quarterbacks.  I guess on the wide view you do get a better sense of where receivers are open (but in college football, receivers are virtually always open compared to at the NFL level).  On the endzone camera you usually can't even see where the receiver comes out of his break to get a sense of timing.


It's slightly more instructive, but not that much IMO.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se As someone who has discussed football with him for years, that's flatly untrue. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What strawman are you fighting right now? I never insinuated that you think your opinion is infallible. 


I am saying that you yourself just admitted to doing the same thing you're getting after juunit for (disagreeing with scouts, in particular Gabriel). 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So you admit to doing the same thing you're getting after juunit for doing. You see why it's silly now? 


Sure, I bet Greg has a wealth of knowledge that any of us would be lucky to pick at, but he has been wrong before so let's just table that type of rhetoric.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 57, my point is you wouldn't react well to someone essentially telling you to stop posting your analysis because "this ex scout says otherwise." If that's the tactic you are going to use, it will be sent back your way many times over and I just see that ending poorly. 



MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @a57se  I would think most major writing gigs pay more than scouts. Plus you have to travel all the time as a scout. Seems like a pretty miserable job

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's really derailing when you post something like this. You question scouting reports all the time, or disagree with them, how would you react if someone replied this way? 


Juunit's proven he isn't an idiot when he's watching tape, I think. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

You should know by now that I never base anything off highlight reels or low-resolution Youtube videos.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I actually think Jeremiah is one of the few guys who has a legitimate reason to have gotten out of being a real scout. NFLN pays a lot better. 

I mean the guys like Gabriel who are reduced to writing on some website making peanuts. If they had a good record as a scout, they'd still be working as a scout, working their way up to the high six-figure salary guys like Bradway make. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Maybe you would. But the greatest thing I've always liked about Bridgewater is his accuracy and anticipation. He is always threading the needle, leading his receivers, etc. So he's dead wrong about that. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @a57se 

It's a big reason why I think every single scouting report is a joke. These people watch the same things, then come away with the complete opposite opinions. 

If the ex-scouts were good scouts, they'd still be scouts, not downgraded to writing on the internet about players. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se A lot of the "experts" are ex-scouts, GM's, etc., though. 


I agree that Kiper and McShay's word is worthless, but I have seen actual football people disagreeing on those points like juunit laid out. It is pretty weird, I can't remember seeing something like that. Usually you have a couple of analysts that are against the grain, but this is much more evenly split.